Formula 1 2018 F1 Constructor development/tech

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  1. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    Rule Changes happening for 2018 season
    Shark fin and T-wing banned
    http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/no-shark-fins-2018-f1-cars-after-all-thanks-mclaren
    Engine switches: STR, McLaren, and Sauber

    STR will be taking up Honda Power units, after a deal was struck between them, McLaren, Honda and Renault. This is the fourth year Toro Rosso has had an engine change. In 2015 they ran Renault, then switched to year old Ferrari engines in 2016 and then back to Renault for 2017 and now set for Honda in 2018.

    Sauber will be using current Ferrari engines, but due to a "tech alliance" with Alfa Romeo, the engines will be branded Alfa Romeo.
    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/133337/alfa-makes-f1-return-with-sauber

    McLaren will be going to Renault power after 3 turbulent seasons with Honda. This is the first time the two have worked together in the decades they've been in the sport.
    http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...t-toro-rosso-honda-deals-what-to-look-out-for

    *will be updated as news arrives.
     
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  3. DesertPenguin

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    It's a good thing Scuderia Toro Rosso's back with Italian engines considering the name is intended to hint at the team's Italian heritage.
     
  4. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    Hence the quotes, I can't take a tech alliance too serious if all you're doing is stickers and putting "oooh aaah" looking Alfa valve covers in Catia and then milling them at Ferrari's shop. Just to pretend they're Alfa engines. Never cared for these type of things since the 80s when they first started happening.

    No it was always STR because of the drinks company. It's just Italian Red Bull Racing.
     
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    Check the Wikipedia page and if you have proof of what you're saying go change it. I was curious about the name origin. I knew they had Ferrari engines for a long time so I thought maybe it was based on that but with them not having Ferrari engines some years it seemed awkward so I wanted more info. By heritage I just mean that they bought the Italian Minardi F1 team.
     
  6. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    What do you mean, Scuderia is a term that has basically been converted to mean racing, Toro is bull, and Rosso is Red. All of that makes RBR just in Italian. It's been known since they arrived. The fact they're based in Italy, on their team website still call themselves Scuderia Toro Rosso, and even the Wiki page you mention notes it...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuderia_Toro_Rosso.

    The Ferrari engine was never the reason, it was always because they were based in Italy. The two major F1 hubs I guess to Dietrich are Italy and Britain and so it's no surprise that one of the two is based as such. I think you make a notable point. I didn't think about the heritage of Minardi, but perhaps that's why they gave it an Italian name also, cause of the fact that it was the remnants of a former Italian team they bought. As well as advertisement of the companies Red Bull Cola from Italy.
     
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    Aren't Honda Japanese though?
     
  8. It means team, it hasn't been converted to mean racing. As for just sticking Alfa logos on a Ferrari engine, I kinda agree that Would be lame but what engine is in the Giulia? Anyway, for as long as Alfa are not independent, their return to F1 cannot be as exciting as it really should be.
     
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    It's not a converted word. It literally means a stable for racing horses. The actual word for team is squadra but that translates more to squad like a football squad. That's why Ferrari uses it and it's become common for Italian racing teams.

    The more you know.
     
  10. TenEightyOne

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    In internet times there's no excuse for not opening a dikshunry.
     
  11. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    So because it's in one car that means it represents a brand...no. As for Scuderia, it means stable, I said it's a term used in racing that is synonymous for racing when explained in English. It is neither team or racing it really is stable. It is still a rough translation to Red Bull Racing Team in Italian that is it.
     
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    It would seem that after technological partner Tata trialled similar tech in Singapore, F1 cars in 2018 will have mandatory 360-degree cameras fitted to the chassis in front of the halo.

    Don't expect them to look like the one below: the finished products are bound to be less intrusive, and presumably far less likely to be flung off the car in a crash situation.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Jimlaad43

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    Why couldn't they have put them on the halo. That would make most sense, as that one seems like another thing in the driver's way.
     
  14. Carbon_6

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    F1 and logic these days aren't exactly the best of friends, even at the best of times.

    A better idea would have been to take a page out of IndyCar's book.

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    That's what I assumed they'd do
     
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    They are... :odd: ...what on earth is being smoked around here? :lol:

    Uh, you realize Honda's Japanese, right? :p
     
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    Quoted here because it fits the current conversation better:

    It was a Ferrari 2016 engine - there were no expectations and no surprises. And it's Ferrari rebranding the engine, not Sauber.

    You're misnaming it, it was McLaren TAG-Porsche. What about that makes Porsche hypocritical???

    They're customer engines-in-a-box, they don't come with any works support.

    Source required for the Italian point of view in that claim.

    Source required. RBR carried the name 'Infiniti' in huge letters on the engine cover... but continued to call the engine Renault. Where's the fake branding there? It was clear to most people what was what.
     
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  18. Rich S

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    Its a depressing time, the cool shark fins added so much style, and of course all the other negative changes. Its like 2014 all over again. I just hope the championship battle is tight next year, that can make up for it all if only the cars get closer in performance.
     
  19. DesertPenguin

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    As long as there's no more

    FERRARI
    Y U NO
    FINISH NOSE?

    posters in the stands
     
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    Please, please, pretty please, with a :censored: cherry on top, let 2018 be a closely fought Driver's Title, with multiple contenders going into the final race of the year.
     
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  21. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    Let's be real...

    And on that note, the Halo being converted to a more aerodynamic form isn't surprising.

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    And more aggressive barge board from Renault
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  22. Jimlaad43

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    TAG Porsche was an interesting deal. McLaren approached Porsche and said "Can you make us a world beating engine." Porsche said "we can, but unfortunately it will be expensive." TAG joined and said they'd pay for it, so McLaren TAG-Porsche was born, and very successful.
     
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    Official team name for 2018 says enough :tup:

    source the inside line: Only just noticed the official name changes on the FIA entry list. “Aston Martin Red Bull Racing” and “Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda.” Would clear quite the simple path to create Aston Martin Racing and Red Bull Honda one day in the not too distant future, don’t you think?
     
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    A whole lot of factors would have to play out in order for those 2 names to become a reality, but I can see where you're coming from.
     
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    Red Bull Red Bull Honda.

    Ok.
     
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    Rabble rabble Honda! :D
     
  28. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    Exactly my thoughts, what a redundant stupid name
     
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    Renault: [​IMG]
     
  30. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    What? If you're making a joke of how Toro Rosso is Honda, and took jobs...(they didn't), you'd be clearly forgetting McLaren received those "taken" jobs.
     
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