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So with Audi finally entering after decades of rumors, does that mean Ferrari will actually leave and start their own series?
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Ferrari leaving to form their own series is the only long-running gag left now.

Once more, for old times' sake...

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This is why news report announcing a not-agreed-announcement is stupid. They've all said news that is now looking like it will never happening.

Stop announcing or believing rumours as news.
 
Can´t blame RB. This one is on Porsche. Just to walk right in and buy their way into a 50-50 partnership with a championship winning team? Nah. Bit naive tbh.
 
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GlamFM
Can´t blame RB. This one is on Porsche. Just to walk right in and buy their way into a 50-50 partnership with a championship winning team? Nah. Bit naive tbh.
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Apparently Porsche and Red Bull actually agreed on the 50/50 split, but Porsche wanted even more so they could control the team. Which absolutely should be considered a major threat to the team. Red Bull doesn't need an unpredictable external party to come in and rip vital components out of their highly successful team, they just want someone to help engineer their new engines.
 
Marneus_boss
Now the road is paved for Andretti-Porsche, if Andretti really want to enter F1
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Not if FOM/FIA and the teams get their way. It doesn't matter who it is, they don't want any more brand new teams to dilute the prize pool.

If Porsche want in, they'll almost certainly have to look at other current teams.
 
Samus
Not if FOM/FIA and the teams get their way. It doesn't matter who it is, they don't want any more brand new teams to dilute the prize pool.

If Porsche want in, they'll almost certainly have to look at other current teams.
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kick out AlphaTauri or make red bull sell them. don't think anyone really believes they are a true sister team. there's no need for one company to own two outfits.
 
Fezzik
kick out AlphaTauri or make red bull sell them. don't think anyone really believes they are a true sister team. there's no need for one company to own two outfits.
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Good thinking, get rid of a successful team that kick-started the careers of over a third of the current drivers.

Alpha Tauri contributes a lot more to F1 than dead weight teams like Williams, Sauber, Haas or Aston Martin, maybe Porsche should just do the same thing as Audi and also take over one of those teams.
 
There has been talk recently of AlphaTauri being sold. An Andretti Porsche tie up with Andretti buying AlphaTauri, I can see that happening.
 
If Red Bull only wanted an engine manufcturer they wouldn't have agreed on a 50% entry into the team. There surely were plans for their future and some kind of exit strategy when Mateschitz won't be around anymore. Missed opportunity receiving half a billion without even selling the whole team and keep their logos on the cars in combination with a very prominent and deluxe manufacturer with the biggest very succesful racing history besides Ferrari.
Now the chances they will get back to Honda as engine supplier are quiet big just until Honda will again suddenly leave F1 like multiple times before.
 
the-race.com

Red Bull one of two teams believed to have broken budget cap - The Race

The FIA is expected to announce that two teams breached Formula 1's budget cap in the 2021 season and one is believed to be Red Bull
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Two teams are being investigated for breaking the cost cap last season, with Red Bull and Aston Martin the rumoured teams involved.

There isn't a specific penalty to be applied as the FIA didn't want to give the teams something tangible to analyse if it was worth taking the hit.

The last thing we need is another Red Bull controversy in 2021 for TeamLH Twitter to get salty about...


It's going to be interesting to see what the penalty is because it will A: give teams a penalty to quantify transgressions against, and B: show how much the FIA care about this budget cap.
 
If Aston Martin is one of the teams that breached the budget cap, then they were getting very poor value for money for doing so.
 
Really wouldn't surprise me if most of the rich teams breached it in some way. They're so hard to police, as evidenced by the fact it's taken almost an entire year for the FIA to determine they might have last season.
 
Jimlaad43
the-race.com

Red Bull one of two teams believed to have broken budget cap - The Race

The FIA is expected to announce that two teams breached Formula 1's budget cap in the 2021 season and one is believed to be Red Bull
the-race.com the-race.com
Two teams are being investigated for breaking the cost cap last season, with Red Bull and Aston Martin the rumoured teams involved.

There isn't a specific penalty to be applied as the FIA didn't want to give the teams something tangible to analyse if it was worth taking the hit.

The last thing we need is another Red Bull controversy in 2021 for TeamLH Twitter to get salty about...


It's going to be interesting to see what the penalty is because it will A: give teams a penalty to quantify transgressions against, and B: show how much the FIA care about this budget cap.
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It has already begun - also the Italian fans because their press are claiming it would affect this year as well, in the battle with Ferrari.
If they have gone over, without there being a set penalty, whatever is imposed by the FIA will get challenged in court and it will all get very messy.
 
Fezzik
It has already begun - also the Italian fans because their press are claiming it would affect this year as well, in the battle with Ferrari.
If they have gone over, without there being a set penalty, whatever is imposed by the FIA will get challenged in court and it will all get very messy.
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Ferrari would lose that battle in spectacular fashion as well. In ways we couldn't possibly comprehend.
 
Everything apart from deducting points won't interest the teams. They won't likely deduct driver points. They didn't in 2020 for Racing Point were the drivers kept the 15 points deducted from the constructors (which doesn't really make sense in my opinion since they had the benefits of the copied parts too and will have the benefits from the breached budget cap on track but it's FIA logic in the end). But getting a financial fine for spending too much money will just lead to more of this.
 
I think one of F1s biggest issues is they have a catalog of rules, but no clear penalties for breaking them. But this situation is karma for not doing that, cause pretty much any outcome is bound to lead to chaos.
 
Jimlaad43
the-race.com

Red Bull one of two teams believed to have broken budget cap - The Race

The FIA is expected to announce that two teams breached Formula 1's budget cap in the 2021 season and one is believed to be Red Bull
the-race.com the-race.com
Two teams are being investigated for breaking the cost cap last season, with Red Bull and Aston Martin the rumoured teams involved.

There isn't a specific penalty to be applied as the FIA didn't want to give the teams something tangible to analyse if it was worth taking the hit.

The last thing we need is another Red Bull controversy in 2021 for TeamLH Twitter to get salty about...


It's going to be interesting to see what the penalty is because it will A: give teams a penalty to quantify transgressions against, and B: show how much the FIA care about this budget cap.
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www.fia.com

FIA Statement on Financial Regulations

The FIA is currently finalising the assessment of the 2021 financial data submitted by all Formula 1 teams. Alleged breaches of the Financial Regulations, if any, will be dealt with according to the formal process set out in the regulations.The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated...
www.fia.com www.fia.com

"The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion."
 
GingerBredMan
I think one of F1s biggest issues is they have a catalog of rules, but no clear penalties for breaking them. But this situation is karma for not doing that, cause pretty much any outcome is bound to lead to chaos.
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The problem is, as soon as you say 'you'll get this penalty for breaking this rule', the teams start calculating how to absorb the penalty and whether the advantage gained is better than the punishment. By leaving it open ended, it makes the punishment fitting of the breach.

However, Toto Wolff came up with a good point - if a team has massively overspent last year to gain an advantage, and massively overspent this year because it wasn't caught last year, then whatever punishment they receive at the end of this year, they'll still have a massive advantage next year unless they're excluded - which the FIA won't do for Red Bull because they're too much of a draw (and they'll find some legal way around it by declaring themselves a new team or suchlike).
 

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