20M credit limit is a good thing maybe

[VTiRoj]

I believe it's purely for the penniless trophy. So people who didn't do it at the game's start still have a chance of obtaining it.

I'd like it if they removed the cap after you got the trophy though. Then the cap would have purpose.

 

[Tyger]

Because it makes no real sense. Sure, the Gran Turismo Fanboy Defense League will always be there to rush to the game and DP's defense with bullcrap excuses for why a 20-mil cap makes sense and is a good thing, but of course it's just ignorant bullcrap.

There really is no logical reason to pick that arbitrary number as the maximum. If you buy a Ferrari 330 P4, that's all of the 20 million credits gone, and you have absolutely nothing left over for even as much as an oil change, let alone tires or any other sort of upgrade if you so wanted. Now, again, the GTFDL will spring into action to suggest stuff like simply spending a few minutes on a quick race to get the cash to get the oil change, tires, and whatever else you want, but we shouldn't have to work around a ridiculous limitation in the first place. That would just be a way of dealing with a retarded limitation issue, and not actually fixing the fact that it's retarded and unnecessary.

As for there being no point in saving up credits because they're there to spend, if we just go around blowing credits all the time then we're not saving up the 20 million credits (or similarly high prices) for some of the most expensive cars. To get some of the cars legitimately means saving up credits and not just blowing them all the time.

Let me paint another illustration. You're saving up money for that 330 P4, GT40 Mark IV, or whatever other super-expensive car. You're almost there, with like 19,600,000. You decide to do the Expert-level Gran Turismo All-Stars championship in B-spec because it's next on the to-do list and you're getting those final credits you need. Bob wins all five races in that championship, at 52,800 CR apiece, and the 264,000 CR bonus at the end, for total winnings of 528,000 CR. That gets added to the 19,600,000 you already have in the bank, but you can't have 20,128,000, so you just wasted 128,000 CR. It doesn't matter if it's no big deal to get them back, because it stinks to just throw them away in the first place for no reason other than the fact that DP is mentally-challenged. They shouldn't just vanish into a black hole at all. Waste is waste, and this is senseless waste for a senseless cap.

There are no benefits to a credit cap. There are no winners with this credit cap. There's only losers.

This is an hilarious post. I can't believe how angry you are about this. I'm not a GT Fanboy, i've been very critical of the game in some ways but yeah whilst there doesn't seem much point to the cap, it's really not a big inconvenience either, surely? GRRR BULLCRAP! IT'S RETARDED! Jeez settle down.

 

[Car Man]

Ill never even see 5 million let alone get close to the limit..I have an addiction of when completing a series of races trawling the UCD and spending the money ive earned, cant save for nothing on GT5 lol

same, most i ever saved was 4million and that all went on a 908

 

[-Cheezman-]

The cap is completely pointless and should be done away with.

Unless PD is trying to make a statement, and instead of a driving simulator, it's actually a communist simulator.

 

[Culkin]

same, most i ever saved was 4million and that all went on a 908

Haha honestly I maybe grind for 2m or so and think "oh I havent checked the UCD in a while lets have a quick gander" then as soon as im in there im possesed and turn into a kid in a candy store who HAS to spend all my money on the rare motors lol...im considering setting up a GT5 councilling fund

 

[Kaaosherra]

Lets say you do have 20MCr, you spend it all on a car, next day something super rare pops up at the UCD. That would suck, so the cap is bad. Or atleast it's pointless.

 

[mani_23]

If you are planning on saving 100 million dollars and going on a spending spree, It will just make all the cars you bought less special. You'll have to go try out hundreds of cars, and probably even forget about a couple. GT5 is about loving your cars. They want people to take time with it.

 

[chippy1000]

I'm with PD on this one, the most expensive car in the game is 20m so it is really useless to have any more money than this at any given time.

 

[Amac500]

I'm not a fan you the credit limit. If there must be one it should be at mire then 20 million and you should get a warning when your approaching it, that way you don't make a bunch of money in a championship and find out that you didn't really get all the money that YOU earned. Maybe at 100 million it would be fine

 

[fr33style]

If you are planning on saving 100 million dollars and going on a spending spree, It will just make all the cars you bought less special. You'll have to go try out hundreds of cars, and probably even forget about a couple. GT5 is about loving your cars. They want people to take time with it.

Didn't you take the same amount of time to build your account to 100 million? And no as it's been stated several times, there are cars that cost 15-20 million so you wouldn't be buying 100s of cars. Not that it should matter, I shouldn't be told how I should play my game, especially when I have saved enough money to buy the cars I want.

 

[levernie]

Well haha i wont be getting anywhere near 20 mil so im not to bothered lol.

 

[Alex p.]

No, it is most deffinetly not a good thing. I had almost 600 used cars, so I had an idea. Why not make 20 million and then start buying only used cars all the time? While driving 5 times in between, so the display of cars freshens and you make 535k with it.
So I expected that to work out until I have every single used car. Well guess what, of course it didn't, because at some point I had to little money to buy some of the offered cars, that would NOT have happened, when I would be able to collect 50 million, which I would have done, if I was allowed to.
And again, BIG fail on PD's part on developping a decent A-Spec mode.

 

[sesselpupser]

I'm afraid it's not a design oversight, instead it was ported over from GT5rologue. There, the credit limit was 2.000.000 to buy the Ferrari F1 car for exactly that sum.

That's kind of what I meant when I said it was a design oversight; GT5P didn't have tuning or maintenance costs, you just had to buy the car and that was all so 20 million worked fine there, especially as there was only one car that expensive. Now we have three and three more that cost 10 million plus, with tuning costs, or even changing the paint if you want before you take it out for a drive. Therefore, it's an oversight; one they forgot to change from GT5P.

I'd like to see the cap removed or increased because I really don't get why it's there, but after I've saved 20 million 3 times (maybe twice if I win the XJ13), it will cease to matter to me. I'll just make sure I always have at least 5 million in case anything particularly expensive pops up in the U/OCD, I guess.

As I think I've said a few times, I don't know about the rest of you but I plan on making GT5 last. If that means I'll still be playing it in 4 years time JUST to complete my car collection, then so be it, as such I'm not going to be panicking that I don't have enough to buy something in the UCD. That said, I did sell my (completely stock) Murcielago LP-640 to buy an XJ220, but that's mainly because I prefer the XJ220 to the Murcielago. Also I hate the LP-640 after the Grand Tour event race. I'm sure it's a great car, but I need time to forgive it.

 

[Alex p.]

Also I hate the LP-640 after the Grand Tour event race. I'm sure it's a great car, but I need time to forgive it.

That made me seriously laugh.

 

[sdf]

It is not just the fact that you cant change oil or purchase tyres if you buy a 20mill car.
For example: tyres you can buy them and store them to the items, and that will solve the problem..... (for oil change there is not solution)
but why to be a problem in 1st place? Why the limit?
The people that say "i dont like it", they presented some facts, some real issues that this limit causes.
The people that say "i dont have a problem" or "why the big hassle?" havent presented anything good that this limit offers or any excuse at all why there should be a limit.
I believe just that fact speak for its self.

The limit is just stupid, meaningless, it doesnt offer or adds something to the overall experience of the game and must be removed.

 

[FatherOfPearl]

It is not just the fact that you cant change oil or purchase tyres if you buy a 20mill car.
For example: tyres you can buy them and store them to the items, and that will solve the problem..... (for oil change there is not solution)
but why to be a problem in 1st place? Why the limit?
The people that say "i dont like it", they presented some facts, some real issues that this limit causes.
The people that say "i dont have a problem" or "why the big hassle?" havent presented anything good that this limit offers or any excuse at all why there should be a limit.
I believe just that fact speak for its self.

The limit is just stupid, meaningless, it doesnt offer or adds something to the overall experience of the game and must be removed.

My argument is that it would break the trading market just as much as duping. Hackers would "save" up 999,999,999 and dupe them, absolutely destroying what little value any of the cars still have.

 

[sesselpupser]

It is not just the fact that you cant change oil or purchase tyres if you buy a 20mill car.
For example: tyres you can buy them and store them to the items, and that will solve the problem..... (for oil change there is not solution)
but why to be a problem in 1st place? Why the limit?
The people that say "i dont like it", they presented some facts, some real issues that this limit causes.
The people that say "i dont have a problem" or "why the big hassle?" havent presented anything good that this limit offers or any excuse at all why there should be a limit.
I believe just that fact speak for its self.

The limit is just stupid, meaningless, it doesnt offer or adds something to the overall experience of the game and must be removed.

I don't disagree that it should be removed, but you, like many GTP'ers, seem to be getting very worked up over something that really does not matter.

I think this is as brief as I can make my point.

If you play GT5 enough to be constantly hitting the 20 million credit limit, you should not be worrying about missing one or two cars because five 5 million credit cars came into the UCD. This is because you're probably enjoying GT5 a lot and will continue to do so for a long time, so the car you missed will show up again, and if it doesn't you could always trade for it.


Also I find your tone somewhat puzzling. I've highlighted the bit I don't really get. You sound as if you expect people who don't care about the limit to suddenly make up why it's a good thing, but have you considered the fact that there are no benefits to it at all, but it's only a negative if you play the game that way? Also I offered an 'excuse' as to why the limit is there; it's a leftover piece of code from GT5P when there was only one car that cost 20 million and it otherwise took ages to earn that much money. Now that you can make 20 million in a relatively short period of time (three to four nights, probably, even less with seasonal events) and there are tuning and maintenance costs, 20 million is not enough.

See, I'm not disagreeing, but you just have to accept that it's there and it won't suit everyone, the same as a lot of other aspects of the design.

 

[Alex p.]

...but you, like many GTP'ers, seem to be getting very worked up over something that really does not matter.

I gave one good example of why it does actually really matter:

No, it is most deffinetly not a good thing. I had almost 600 used cars, so I had an idea. Why not make 20 million and then start buying only used cars all the time? While driving 5 times in between, so the display of cars freshens and you make 535k with it.
So I expected that to work out until I have every single used car. Well guess what, of course it didn't, because at some point I had to little money to buy some of the offered cars, that would NOT have happened, when I would be able to collect 50 million, which I would have done, if I was allowed to.
And again, BIG fail on PD's part on developping a decent A-Spec mode.

 

[sesselpupser]

I gave one good example of why it does actually really matter:

Yeah and it is a valid point, but my point is if you play GT5 enough to earn 20 million regularly, then why would you care that you can't buy a certain car right there and then? It will come back, it'll just take time. Therefore, it doesn't really matter, it only matters at the time.

As time goes on and you buy the most expensive cars, you will have more money left to buy the ones you wanted but didn't have enough money for due to the cap. In fact, I would go as far as to say the credit cap won't even matter by the time you've spent 4-5 lots of 20 million on used cars as there aren't enough expensive cars in the game. I don't have figures to hand but I'd be quite surprised if there are 20 used cars that cost as much as 5 million.

And of course, I've been in the situation where I've wanted a rare car but couldn't afford it, but you just have to accept that that's the nature of it, credit cap or not you'd still have the same situation eventually.

 

[Alex p.]

Well I don't really wanna check every 5 races the UCD, I find that highly ennoying.

 

[sesselpupser]

Well I don't really wanna check every 5 races the UCD, I find that highly ennoying.

So do I, but that's how the game is designed. Also, how would removing the cap help that?

 

[Alex p.]

Oh comme on, what I mean is I would have to wait for the cars EVEN LONGER and refresh the car display EVEN MORE TIMES to find the cars I couldn't buy because of to little money because I had to start the buying with 20 mil, insted of..say 50 mil, it's getting very tiresome arguing with people here because they always want to be right...

 

[Tornado]

My argument is that it would break the trading market just as much as duping. Hackers would "save" up 999,999,999 and dupe them, absolutely destroying what little value any of the cars still have.

I'm not particularly interested in PD leaving a design flaw alone in the single player game in order to prop up a community feature that PD obviously didn't want to be in the game in the first place.

 

[Hastatus]

At first I was indifferent, but then I realized that there are a few situations in which the cap is downright mean:

There are 19 million CR cars that sometimes appear in the UCD. The odds of seeing the car while having the money; downright astronomical because people know to spend some money if they are very close to 20 million.

Ford GT40 Race Car ’69 = 19+ million CR
Chaparral 2D Race Car ‘67 = 19+ million CR

I don't know if there is a higher probability that these cars show up when you have enough to buy them; there might be because I accidentally stumbled into both of them when I happened to have the money on hand and was about to spend some of it to leave room for any new money I would make.

I think the limit should be raised to about 40 million personally.

 

[sdf]

I don't disagree that it should be removed, but you, like many GTP'ers, seem to be getting very worked up over something that really does not matter.

we dont get very worked out mate, IMO (and i may be wrong with that) but i believe that the majority of people that doesnt want the limit is people that play GT from GT1, and as I they found it totally useless and with a big "what the hell is this?" lol

If you play GT5 enough to be constantly hitting the 20 million credit limit, you should not be worrying about missing one or two cars because five 5 million credit cars came into the UCD. This is because you're probably enjoying GT5 a lot and will continue to do so for a long time, so the car you missed will show up again, and if it doesn't you could always trade for it.

It isnt the cars that i missed, just the idea that you are limited for no real reason, is enough i believe.

Also I find your tone somewhat puzzling. I've highlighted the bit I don't really get. You sound as if you expect people who don't care about the limit to suddenly make up why it's a good thing, but have you considered the fact that there are no benefits to it at all, but it's only a negative if you play the game that way?

My point was, that there is no real reason of the limit, and as you may have seen from the posts so far, no one have highlighted something good that the limit offers.

Also I offered an 'excuse' as to why the limit is there; it's a leftover piece of code from GT5P when there was only one car that cost 20 million and it otherwise took ages to earn that much money. Now that you can make 20 million in a relatively short period of time (three to four nights, probably, even less with seasonal events) and there are tuning and maintenance costs, 20 million is not enough.

That the limit is a leftover from GT5P, that doesnt mean that is right. GT5P was a limited in everything.
Actually there was no reason to have credits in 1st place but thats another story.

See, I'm not disagreeing, but you just have to accept that it's there and it won't suit everyone, the same as a lot of other aspects of the design

I dont say that you disagreeing mate , but even if this topic gets up to 1000 pages no one will ever find a reason to justify the limit.

TBO i believe that even kazunori doesnt have an excuse why he added the limit lol

 

[sesselpupser]

Oh comme on, what I mean is I would have to wait for the cars EVEN LONGER and refresh the car display EVEN MORE TIMES to find the cars I couldn't buy because of to little money because I had to start the buying with 20 mil, insted of..say 50 mil, it's getting very tiresome arguing with people here because they always want to be right...

Well of course they want to be right, no one argues to be wrong, do they? The thing is, though, I agree that there's no need for the limit and that it should be removed, but it's not the end of the world because the cars will still be there when you can afford them again. I guess you could say I'm just trying to look on the positive side of this issue. Also my point remains that even without a cap, you'd run out of money eventually and still be left with the situation where you can't afford a car when it pops up. The best solution to your problem would be to do away with the UCD system altogether, not removing the cap. The OCD does go some way toward that solution, though.

I dont say that you disagreeing mate , but even if this topic gets up to 1000 pages no one will ever find a reason to justify the limit.

TBO i believe that even kazunori doesnt have an excuse why he added the limit lol

I guess this is the bottom line, really. I'm not trying to justify the limit, more just trying to put my point across why I don't think it matters and offering an explanation as to why it's there, though I completely agree it's unnecessary and it being a remnant of GT5P doesn't make it right, it's probably a mistake that was missed (like a few other issues in GT5).

It's clear that this issue will never be settled because as I said before, there's no reason nor benefit to it but the drawback is entirely dependant on how you play, and as I think I've made that point (which hardly helps anyone) I'll stop. I was wrong to say it doesn't matter, I can see that it does (otherwise this thread wouldn't exist), I more meant that it doesn't matter to me and others who play the same as I do, and that's completely different.

Also I've never seen a 20 million cr car in the UCD, I had no idea they were that expensive!

 

[Alex p.]

Well of course they want to be right, no one argues to be wrong, do they? The thing is, though, I agree that there's no need for the limit and that it should be removed, but it's not the end of the world because the cars will still be there when you can afford them again. I guess you could say I'm just trying to look on the positive side of this issue.

No, I clearly stated why I find it annoying, I gave a plausible reason, which has nothing to do with personal preferences or such. So there is no point of arguing. Period.

 

[sesselpupser]

No, I clearly stated why I find it annoying, I gave a plausible reason, which has nothing to do with personal preferences or such. So there is no point of arguing. Period.

Yeah, you stated why you find it annoying and I said you have a point, but you are missing my point. Your plausible reason won't go away if you remove the credit cap. Yes, it will be less of a problem but at the end of the day, the amount of money you have dictates the number of cars you can buy, and the UCD cycling system dictates how long you'll be waiting to buy those cars.

I think that's pretty much why I said the cap doesn't matter, but as you said, there's no point arguing. If you haven't gotten my point by now, you won't in 10, 20 or 30 posts' time.

 

[sdf]

Also I've never seen a 20 million cr car in the UCD, I had no idea they were that expensive!

The only car that i have seen in UCD above 15mills was the Ford GT40 Race Car '69, If i remember well the price tag was 19mills or something like that.
But is a gift car anyway

 

[Alex p.]

and the UCD cycling system dictates how long you'll be waiting to buy those cars.

O...m...sigh...look, YES, the UCD dictates how long I wait, but if I see a car there I can not buy because I have too little money BECAUSE I started buying used cars with 20 million, instead of 50, then the problem clearly is, that I was limited to 20 million and will have to wait FOR AT LEAST another complete cycle until I can buy this car, I think you are the one not getting the point.