4WD Drifting

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Falken12
Hmmm I just tried buying a STi Sedan and put Sim Tires on it, i only did drivetrain customization and only a muffler and air cleaner, its like at 300+ Hp, it drifts well but if i counter stear, itll stop the drift rythm, and its also slow, can any1 help me make my drift as fast as the pros.
 
BrykeSpike0086
Hmmm I just tried buying a STi Sedan and put Sim Tires on it, i only did drivetrain customization and only a muffler and air cleaner, its like at 300+ Hp, it drifts well but if i counter stear, itll stop the drift rythm, and its also slow, can any1 help me make my drift as fast as the pros.
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hmmm, do have MSN or AIM and it just takes practice to drift like them
 
nightkids4ever
hmmm, do have MSN or AIM and it just takes practice to drift like them
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Indeed it takes pratice, a bit of trial and error and/or you can wait for those better at 4WD drifting to have their say like Forced Induction to hear what they have to say. I can't be much help since I'm an FR drifter and my 4WD drifting is not so great at best...pratice for now is all you can do, I don't think you'll need to countersteer much considering the power to the front tires takes care of the usuall action needed to keep on course like a rear drive (or even front drive) car but then again, I could be wrong for all I know. Nk4E is good at 4WD drifting so he probally will be very helpfull.

That's just me though, till later.
 
Ah 4wd drifting. For a 4wd vehicle, you have to boost the power to about a 400-450 hp range. VCD to 40-50%, and depending on the car, you'll have to adjust the toe and cambers as well as the LSD.

As for technique, It is natural to pull a drift without any countersteer. With the right settings, the car will create angle and sustain angle just with throttle. If, by any chance, you come across a situation in which you have to countersteer, then you'll have to countersteer while throttling, or else the car will spin out.

Then again, its trial and error, practice like R_riders said.
 
Well im still a beginner in the 4WD and Sim Drifting, ive been a long time drifter with RX-7s and S2000s but when my angle is where i want it, the car goes towards the wall and i have to break the rythm of drift. and when i Drift with the combo of FR and Sim, my car goes nuts and jus spins. using T1-up makes the cars drift rythm short.
 
BrykeSpike0086
Well im still a beginner in the 4WD and Sim Drifting, ive been a long time drifter with RX-7s and S2000s but when my angle is where i want it, the car goes towards the wall and i have to break the rythm of drift. and when i Drift with the combo of FR and Sim, my car goes nuts and jus spins. using T1-up makes the cars drift rythm short.
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do u have a setup?
 
heheh since u asked that...i dont memorize set ups...im like wat u call an on spot person who jus does it without thinking...u hope not think. wen i set up my gears and stuff...i like just fiddle around and jus change it. as for brakes and height...lowest height but strong front brakes and weak rear brakes
 
BrykeSpike0086
heheh since u asked that...i dont memorize set ups...im like wat u call an on spot person who jus does it without thinking...u hope not think. wen i set up my gears and stuff...i like just fiddle around and jus change it. as for brakes and height...lowest height but strong front brakes and weak rear brakes
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i m a spot person , but it should be saved on ur car
 
Impreza 22b sti version( i say bunta's car)
buy every part instead of the turbo and intercooler
sims F/R
Spring rate: 3.0/3.0
Ride Height: 111/111
shock bound: 7/7
shock rebound 7/7
camber angle: 2.0/1.0
toe angle: -2.0/2.0
stabsillizers : 1/1
Brack balance or BB: 9/9
Initial :5/5
Accel:5/5
Decel:5/5
gear ratio: 27 but put it to a higher gear lvl if u want because it has like 333 hp
ASM and TCS: 0
Vcd: 20%

a little note: if u want to do a Zero counter Drift, try finding a good line and balance or steady the gas

DRIFT AND REMEBER PDR will always accept members because im the boss, muhahahaahhaahah
 
wait wait...nightkids...1st of all, i agree nightkids r good, but i like Redsuns Better...and also, will ur setting work 4 the Sedan Sti...the older model 1?
 
BrykeSpike0086
wait wait...nightkids...1st of all, i agree nightkids r good, but i like Redsuns Better...and also, will ur setting work 4 the Sedan Sti...the older model 1?
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the one with the only color blue
 
Welcome GTP BrykeSpike0086 , the reason you are pulling out of the drift with the 22B is because counter-steering in a 4WD is not needed. The torque in the front makes up for the lack of counter-steering, so in doing so, you practically double the amount of counter-steer. I'm done ;)
 
Oh dear lord... I arived just in time...

NK4E... Your spring rates are way too low... Also, some added camber will give you more control and stability at high angles...

FI... You are absolutely right... Well said...

Mdnite... Also correct...

Bryke...

Here are some good universal AWD settings that will work beautifully with your STI sedan... These settings will make any AWD car in GT3 driftable, and can be tweaked to better suit individual vehicles...

spring rate: 11.5, 9.0 (or 12.0, 11.0)
ride height: 100, 100 (medium height/ not all the way lowered)
shock bound: 8, 8 (or 7, 7)
shock rebound: 8, 8 (or 7, 7)
camber: 4.2, 2.5 (or 4.5, 2.5)
toe: 0.0, 0.0
stabilizers: 1, 1

brake balance: 14, 24

LSD initial: 10, 30
LSD accel: 20, 50
LSD decel: 10, 30 (The LSD settings can be ajusted for each individual car, but this setting is a good base to tune from).

ASM: off
TCS: off
VCD: between 30%, and 50% ( I prefer 40% or 50% for the true AWD drifting experience).

If I didn't mention it, leave it stock...

AWD technique is a bit different than RWD technique to be sure... You need to throw the vehicle into the drift more aggressively (in most cases) and you need to halt your instinct to immediately countersteer... Once you have initiated the drift, let the wheel return to center (straighten your wheels) and use the throttle to maintain your angle... You can use the foot brakes and/or the e-brake to adjust your angle, and use the throttle to increase speed or to widen your line... When you reach the end of the drift (or if you are nearing a spin-out) begin to dial in countersteer, as FI said, while on the throttle. If you add countersteer without the throttle you will spin out... It is important to remember not to let the revs drop too far. This causes the car to regain grip. Afterall, it's harder to keep all 4 wheels spinning (under the weight of the vehicle) than just 2 (with a RWD)...

If you have any other questions... Don't hesitate to ask (unless it's a stupid question, in which case I will flame you mercilessly..j/k)


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silviadrifter
Oh dear lord... I arived just in time...

NK4E... Your spring rates are way too low... Also, some added camber will give you more control and stability at high angles...

FI... You are absolutely right... Well said...

Mdnite... Also correct...

Bryke...

Here are some good universal AWD settings that will work beautifully with your STI sedan... These settings will make any AWD car in GT3 driftable, and can be tweaked to better suit individual vehicles...

spring rate: 11.5, 9.0 (or 12.0, 11.0)
ride height: 100, 100 (medium height/ not all the way lowered)
shock bound: 8, 8 (or 7, 7)
shock rebound: 8, 8 (or 7, 7)
camber: 4.2, 2.5 (or 4.5, 2.5)
toe: 0.0, 0.0
stabilizers: 1, 1

brake balance: 14, 24

LSD initial: 10, 30
LSD accel: 20, 50
LSD decel: 10, 30 (The LSD settings can be ajusted for each individual car, but this setting is a good base to tune from).

ASM: off
TCS: off
VCD: between 30%, and 50% ( I prefer 40% or 50% for the true AWD drifting experience).

If I didn't mention it, leave it stock...

AWD technique is a bit different than RWD technique to be sure... You need to throw the vehicle into the drift more aggressively (in most cases) and you need to halt your instinct to immediately countersteer... Once you have initiated the drift, let the wheel return to center (straighten your wheels) and use the throttle to maintain your angle... You can use the foot brakes and/or the e-brake to adjust your angle, and use the throttle to increase speed or to widen your line... When you reach the end of the drift (or if you are nearing a spin-out) begin to dial in countersteer, as FI said, while on the throttle. If you add countersteer without the throttle you will spin out... It is important to remember not to let the revs drop too far. This causes the car to regain grip. Afterall, it's harder to keep all 4 wheels spinning (under the weight of the vehicle) than just 2 (with a RWD)...

If you have any other questions... Don't hesitate to ask (unless it's a stupid question, in which case I will flame you mercilessly..j/k)


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SD, sorri but i made the settings based on my style ^^, well its peoples opinion and i will try ur settings soon
 
nightkids4ever
SD, sorri but i made the settings based on my style ^^, well its peoples opinion and i will try ur settings soon
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I commented on your spring rates because with them that low your suspension is very prone to bottom out, which can make the steering less responsive especially under heavy load... Now you could raise your shock Bound and Rebound, which would counter some of the spring softness... Either way, you need to do something... I promise it will make the vehicle's handling more predictable... Don't take my word for it, try it out...

I just made a suggestion about the camber... It's not necessary to have more camber... However, with added camber, the car becomes more stable from low to high angles... This is true whether you are using countersteer or not... Some people have even found positive results with higher camber in the rear (Pergatory comes to mind)... Either way, a higher camber angle couldn't hurt... Just a suggestion, it's up to you...


BTW, are you working on any vids?... It's been a while since I saw a personal vid from you...


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silviadrifter
I commented on your spring rates because with them that low your suspension is very prone to bottom out, which can make the steering less responsive especially under heavy load... Now you could raise your shock Bound and Rebound, which would counter some of the spring softness... Either way, you need to do something... I promise it will make the vehicle's handling more predictable... Don't take my word for it, try it out...

I just made a suggestion about the camber... It's not necessary to have more camber... However, with added camber, the car becomes more stable from low to high angles... This is true whether you are using countersteer or not... Some people have even found positive results with higher camber in the rear (Pergatory comes to mind)... Either way, a higher camber angle couldn't hurt... Just a suggestion, it's up to you...


BTW, are you working on any vids?... It's been a while since I saw a personal vid from you...


;)
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well, i think im getting better at FR drifting, but i have some slight probelms that Movie maker will not take any WMV's, im looking for a Format changer but i think i used the best ones, the song i wanted to use was FRGT/10 by LP and i will take ur suggestion SD
 
nightkids4ever
well, i think im getting better at FR drifting, but i have some slight probelms that Movie maker will not take any WMV's, im looking for a Format changer but i think i used the best ones, the song i wanted to use was FRGT/10 by LP and i will take ur suggestion SD
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Are you sure?... WMV is Windows video format... That's what WMM saves your movie as...

I wonder what the problem is... What does it say when you try to import a WMV file?...


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Well like im going to try these new Settings SD...but like i also practice with RWD which is like really really challenging with sims...and spinning out is so hard not to do with RWD
 
BrykeSpike0086
Well like im going to try these new Settings SD...but like i also practice with RWD which is like really really challenging with sims...and spinning out is so hard not to do with RWD
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I am primarily a RWD drifter so I can help you out with that as well...

As I explained to NK4E, it's important to keep the power to weight ratio in mind when choosing your tire... A good baseline is stock to 300hp (on sims)... However, it also depends on the weight of the vehicle... A light car like the AE86 will be fine with anywhere from stock to 200hp. Whereas, a heavy car like the Chaser needs a little bit more power to counter the weight... Engine design is also something to keep in mind... Rotary engines (RX7's, RX8) have poor torque in the mid to low end, so short gears and a bit more power will make the car more predictable and easier to drift... Whereas most inline 4's or 6's have a larger powerband (thus good overall torque) so not as much power is needed to achieve the same results... If you keep the power and tire choice balanced the vehicle will be much easier to drive...


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ahhh i got the HP thing done...but i was in habit of lightening the car
so i better detune some cars and stuff....my FC has no more sims bcuz of its weight and its HP wich is 460...and i also hav to retire it, its more than 1 year old now and its speed was 465 now a 460... :grumpy:
 

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