4WS - 4 Wheel Steering?

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I was looking through the screenshots and also did a quick search and found the car list. When I was looking through the screenshots saw the Carina ED 2.0 X 4WS. Its a 4WS car but will it truly have 4WS? I know in GT2 they had the Toyota Soarer 4.0 GT-L which also had steering but it didnt really handle much different than the Soarer 3.0 or the SC400 or 300. With the hybrid cars and the toyota demo future looking car with an amazing suspension setup will GT finally have true 4WS?

Also does anyone know for sure if the 91-00 Soarer/ 92-00 Lexus SC will make it in GT4? I'm not talking about the 01+ Soarers/SC430 but the previous generation SC's
 
The best information we have is The359's car list at the top of the forum. Other than that, we don't know.
 
If the cars in previouse GT's that had 4WS were different to drive then it was in the game, the rear wheels don't turn like the front ones you know, they only turn by a few degrees usually 2 or 3. You said it didn't really handle much different regarding that soarer, what did you want, the car to go like it was on rails?
 
he wanted to be able to stop next to a parking space and drive sideways into it


edit - **** im a senior member! think that deserves a drink
 
Doesnt the FC or one of the newer FCs have 4 wheel steering? i saw it in an old top gear episode from the 1980's... uh... maybe 1985
 
The older FC's and 240SX's had a passive 4WS system that from what I understand used a system abnormally severe bump steer to cause toe changes. Most people who modify these cars will tell you that removing this system is one of the first things they do.

a few cars use an active 4-wheel-steering system - the honda prelude SI was available w/ it, as are a few current trucks & SUV's from General Motors.

from a performance stand point, 4WS systems used on production cars have no value. First off, the weight of the system is fairly significant. Secondly, the system is computer controlled, and the amount of left-right steering, as well as the direction, is dependent on speed.

At speeds below 30 mph, the rear wheels turn in the opposite direction from the front, like this:

FRONT
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REAR

The picture is exagerated, the movement of the rear tires is only a few degrees. This causes the rear to swing around faster, reducing the turning radius. A GMC Yukon with this system has the turing radius of a Honda Accord coupe.

However, the faster the vehicle goes, the rear tires deflect less and less. at about 40 mph, the 4WS system is pretty much disabled.

As you accelerate ABOVE 40 mph to highway speeds, the computer begins to turn the rear tires in the SAME direction as the front tires, like this:

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\\===\\

again, the rear tires don't turn as far....
this causes the vehicle to sort of "slew" sideways, great for changing lanes. It increases stability, reduces swaying in quick lane changes, and makes towing much easier when used on large trucks.

Again, from a performance standpoint, this would hurt high speed cornering. It would basically feel like an increase in understeer.
 
From the commercials, the Yukon's rear wheels seem to steer a lot more than a few degrees.

Weather or not it's good for performance, I'd still like to see active 4 wheel steering in GT4.
 
The Skyline R34 GTR is one of the best examples of electronic (active) 4WS on performace cars.

I´ve seen a video where Dirk Shoysman (Ringmeister and Nissan´s top test driver while developing the GTR since 1989) tells that the 4WS makes the car easier to handle, but not quicker around the track. That is why they removed the 4WS mechanism from the Falken GTR that races on the Nürburgring 24hr race. Interesting.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Nissan 300ZX employ a similar system to the skyline? I think it was called super HIKAS or HICAS. Something like that.
 
kinigitt
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Nissan 300ZX employ a similar system to the skyline? I think it was called super HIKAS or HICAS. Something like that.

You are right. They are both similar in function. I believe that the one on the Skyline (ATESSA) is much more advanced than the 300ZX´s (HICAS).

Cheers

EDIT : In fact, I believe that the 4WS on the Skyline is also called "SUPER HICAS" and it´s 4WD is "ATESSA". All these devices work together with the Active yaw control and high downforce aerodyinamics to make a very fast car indeed!! Sorry for the mistake.
 
Thanks for the info. I've read that four wheel steering is usually ditched in the quest for performance. Don't see much of a point to implementing it in GT, but it's an interesting point.
 
Working at a GMC dealership, I can attest to the fact that GMC Sierras (especially Denali models) have selectable 4WS systems. You can run the truck without the system on at all or have the computer take over. It does act exactly like Greyout explained, and even tells you when it rear wheels are going the opposite direction or same direction.

I also believe Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4s/Dodge Stealth R/Ts had 4WS as well, but helped attribute to the car's massive weight.
 
If " SUPER HICAS and ATTESA " was actually incorporated into GT4 it would certanily give the Skyline an ever greater advantage over its competitors...... not to mention eliminate some of the infamous 4wd understeer....
Some Gt4 reviewers said that thats the greatest flaw in car pyhsics is the individual "quirks" or advantages certain cars have over others...
If Gt4 does incorporate these things in i think you can truly say that GT4 is the ULTIMATE CAR SIM :cheers:
 
Homer_SS
If " SUPER HICAS and ATTESA " was actually incorporated into GT4 it would certanily give the Skyline an ever greater advantage over its competitors...... not to mention eliminate some of the infamous 4wd understeer....
Some Gt4 reviewers said that thats the greatest flaw in car pyhsics is the individual "quirks" or advantages certain cars have over others...
If Gt4 does incorporate these things in i think you can truly say that GT4 is the ULTIMATE CAR SIM :cheers:

In fact, the R34 in GT4P has much more power-oversteer than the one in GT3. Driving physics have been changed, but we do not know if it has something to do with HICAS and ATESSA devices.
 
The R32 GTS-t and the R31 GTS-x also had 4WS. Many owners get it removed as it gives pretty unstable and unpredictable handleing when driven hard........

Personally, I think its crap. I'm a traditionalist when it comes to cars and would much rather use the steering and throttle/brake to turn a car than have the rear wheel help!

The Mitsubish Galant VR4 had 4WS aswell and a performance shop that I know of that rally them have it removed also.....
 
The only car I've seen with 4WS was a Benetton F1 car in about 1993, it didn't do spectacularly. I think if 4WS was included it would require a reworked physics system for the car, so you could feel the difference in handling.

As for 4WD understeer, that's what VCDs are for.
 
Pardon me... But... I thought that ATESSA was the drive system in the Skyline. You know, Rear drive until I need no slide? And it was my understanding that the Super HICAS four wheel steering system was option on the 240sx, 300zx, and Skyline R33+. Models other than the Skyline ceased the option in the early nineties... I thought...
 
georgeymoney
Pardon me... But... I thought that ATESSA was the drive system in the Skyline. You know, Rear drive until I need no slide? And it was my understanding that the Super HICAS four wheel steering system was option on the 240sx, 300zx, and Skyline R33+. Models other than the Skyline ceased the option in the early nineties... I thought...

Please read my post # 13. This has been cleared a couple of days ago.
 
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