6 car limit hurts GT4- forza's key to success?

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you dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that with only 6 cars on track at a time it will be one of if not THE major failing point of gt4. yes i know there is nothing that can be done about it but still... we all want gt4 to be fantastic (yes.. probably even code_kev!) but now with online racing being a focus point i can see people becoming annoyed by the limit pretty quickly and looking for alternatives. personally i would rather play a game with less actual cars but with a better online experience due to 15+ cars on track at once. it adds a HUGE amount to the feel of the race, and possibly more than variety of cars.

(sorry i keep referring to it but...) Live for speed shows this off well, even a race with one type of car can be hugely entertaining, tweaking it to perfection and driving with a large number of opponents = greater feeling of achivement for doing well and a much more action packed race.

so in a conclusion sort of way - if forza can sort out force feedback, has a good physics system, and allows a sygnificantly larger field of cars than GT4 i think it will at least hold its own!

(reffers to online play only, i find 6 cars acceptable offline)
 
Offline, I have no problem, but online is where I beg to differ. I guess it would depend on who you're racing against, but I wouldn't wanna run with 5 other pros there in a serious race. Unless I've built up my skills, but 6 cars is PLENTY enough for my taste. If they're all newbs, it's okay, I wanna show them what FAST is, but up to 5 other even matches, I think I'll be okay with the number we got.
 
There are always going to be unique selling points for each game, Forza has the capability to handle more than six cars and I can see how, as you pointed out, that this could be a major falling point in GT4's success. My short answer is that I feel GT4 has enough to make up for the fact that only six cars can race on the track.....it has a wide variety of cars, tracks and unique features more than make up for this fall back.....but ofcource some people may feel that it is more important.....to a certain extent Forza will be able to capitalize on this not being a feature in GT4 but I don;t think that it will be a huge swayer for your adverage gamer.....for a start people will buy either or depening on their system......for those who have a choice they will pick what they like to se in a game.

Basically, Yes, only six cars will have an effect on GT4, but I doubt that it is the most dramatic factor which is going to decide how well they sell........I think it will be based on alot more than that.......but hey! thats my opinion!

Robin :) 👍

p.s........Im refering all to online here, btw
 
I completely agree with MadduckUK here, I;ve played LFS and the best races are with a large grid, no matter where you are on the track your not far from some action and the feeling of being in the top 4 battling for the next position only to come and lap a group of 5 running in last is fantastic. You need a large grid to get thoes feelings, okay you migh on ocassion lap a car ni GT4 online races but thats not the same as cars being spread in little groups all around the track and getting lodged in one of them for your own battle, in LFS I honestley didn't care aboput my position in some of the races, I've had so much fun battling in the middle of the field I didn't care.
 
Hmm yeah 6 cars on the nurb...
In GTR you're gonna be able to race 55 other cars on 1 track, would be nice for GT4. :p
 
one question do you actually think that there is any possible way that you will ever get more then 4-5 cars running on a track online with smooth game play ... NEVER. Every single racing game online I have played there is major lag soon as there is more then 4 or 5 people. So there is no reason to have 16 people when it will be a crash fest. Just ruins everything. I would rather race with 5 other people and have it run smooth and have a fun race then run with 15 other people and only see every 20th frame. And getting hit from behind every braking point.. or getting run into.. or have cars ghost around the track. Trust me the 16 cars on the track will only be cool in single player.. it will have no affect on online gaming.
 
Veki
one question do you actually think that there is any possible way that you will ever get more then 4-5 cars running on a track online with smooth game play ... NEVER. Every single racing game online I have played there is major lag soon as there is more then 4 or 5 people. So there is no reason to have 16 people when it will be a crash fest. Just ruins everything. I would rather race with 5 other people and have it run smooth and have a fun race then run with 15 other people and only see every 20th frame. And getting hit from behind every braking point.. or getting run into.. or have cars ghost around the track. Trust me the 16 cars on the track will only be cool in single player.. it will have no affect on online gaming.
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Yes but see Kaz said he's fixed some of those problems, and I have faith in that man, he's made the best racing EVER and I haven't doubted him for ONE second. But as with all the questions posted here and on all the threads....I have only one thing to say.

Time will tell......
 
I don't get much lag in LFS and I raced regularly in fields of 10 or more. You won't get lag free but it wasn't bad at all, if you get the software right you can seriousely limit lag it's not all polygons that cause it. I have played a few racers online and the races with large grids have always been better, you don't get smashed into at every braking point UNLESS theres an asshole in the pack trying to spoil the race, but 16 cars is about right for an average lenth circuit.
 
to answer Div - beacause the forza topic is now rediculously large and out of control. and sometimes its nice to have a thread deadicated to a specific topic rather than "whatever the poster before said" in this case the online nature of racing games and what makes them stand out from offline, the unpredictable thing known as human nature. and the more of it in a race (more cars) the more realistic the experience becomes. even in F1 there is a clear gap between the top and bottom teams, races arent "trains" with one car leading the next. lapping opponents who are having there own fights is part and parcel of racing and something 6 cars cant accomplish. live4speed is bang on the money
 
Hey this just came to my mind when I was reading this thread. We used to have only 2 cars in rally races but a while ago there was a video of 6 cars racing in the snow Nurb. This could mean that we might have more cars on the road races or it could mean we just get rally equalized to road races.
 
Thoes vids were hacked from Prolouge, thats the only reason they have 6 cars on the track, I can gaurentee GT4 will only have 2 per rally race.
 
Veki
one question do you actually think that there is any possible way that you will ever get more then 4-5 cars running on a track online with smooth game play ... NEVER. Every single racing game online I have played there is major lag soon as there is more then 4 or 5 people. So there is no reason to have 16 people when it will be a crash fest. Just ruins everything. I would rather race with 5 other people and have it run smooth and have a fun race then run with 15 other people and only see every 20th frame. And getting hit from behind every braking point.. or getting run into.. or have cars ghost around the track. Trust me the 16 cars on the track will only be cool in single player.. it will have no affect on online gaming.
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WHAT racing games HAVE YOU PLAYED ONLINE?! LOL . Well I see your point. F12002, F198 and others suffer with more than 5 online. But I'm sure its because of the servers.

I play NR2003 and I have raced up 42 people online at once 100+ times. I've done this with 56k and bb. The only problem with doing it with 56k is YOU may get disconnected and its hard to join races.

And alot of the 42 car races are on tracks like Daytona/Talladega where 3-wide 5 deep is common online. Also having someone 2 feet in front and behind you for laps at a time is common. Lag isnt a problem with broadband. Of course the servers allow you only to see 20-25 cars at a time to minimize lage

Only 6 cars a failing point for GT? Oh brother. The game has had 6 cars for the last 6 years and its done just fine. NFS, Toca, NASCAR EA, PGR, and a host of others offer more cars on track but does that guarentee success? No. The amount of cars on screen is not going to be the difference between Forza and GT4

It is extremely flawed logic to think of the amount of cars on screen as being the biggest or even being close to being the biggest factor of which is better. What if GT4 or Forza handles like crap?

This should have been in the Forza vs GT4 post anyways
 
Earth
Only 6 cars a failing point for GT? Oh brother. The game has had 6 cars for the last 6 years and its done just fine. NFS, Toca, NASCAR EA, PGR, and a host of others offer more cars on track but does that guarentee success? No. The amount of cars on screen is not going to be the difference between Forza and GT4 This should have been in the Forza vs GT4 post anyways
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point 1) youv missed the important point EVEN AFTER i stated it clearly.. gt4 has NEVER ben online! so there has never been the need for more than 6 cars like there is now!

point 2) it doesnt guarantee success but its an ADVANTAGE yes? so forza has an ADVANTAGE over gt4? notice title of thread? good.

point 3) iv explained why it shouldnt have been in that thread, and i stand by that. make sure you add all your topics to threads with 1000+ posts so they get no attention theres a good boy.
 
MadduckUK
point 1) youv missed the important point EVEN AFTER i stated it clearly.. gt4 has NEVER ben online! so there has never been the need for more than 6 cars like there is now!

point 2) it doesnt guarantee success but its an ADVANTAGE yes? so forza has an ADVANTAGE over gt4? notice title of thread? good.

point 3) iv explained why it shouldnt have been in that thread, and i stand by that. make sure you add all your topics to threads with 1000+ posts so they get no attention theres a good boy.
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I rushed reading your post, sorry

The Forza VS GT4 thread already lists Forza having more cars as an advantage. Bigger advantage online? Yes. But do not forget Forza is rumored to have glass cars and with all the report of wreckers swarming xbox racing games 16 cars can dwindle down very fast!

But in the end Forza has the advantage in this field. BUT That does not guarentee Forza online will be more enjoyable. GT can make up for less cars by cracking down on cheating better than xbox racers have and building a better community (KY and PD have spoken of this)

Heck, just look how much fun guys have comparng lap times to eachother on the net without ever racing eachother. If they liked that they will certainly like GT4 online ALOT!
 
im not saying it wont be enjoyable with six, hell im getiting it the 1st second i can! and no forza with more cars doesnt guarantee more fun over gt4. but after the "try every car" fad has worn off and people have there preferences set it comes down to gameplay, and more cars online means more of it. dont think you can argue?

oh and damage will only affect newbie races drasticaly. i think the main bulk of players will get by without constantly killing there cars
 
Earth
WHAT racing games HAVE YOU PLAYED ONLINE?! LOL . Well I see your point. F12002, F198 and others suffer with more than 5 online. But I'm sure its because of the servers.

I play NR2003 and I have raced up 42 people online at once 100+ times. I've done this with 56k and bb. The only problem with doing it with 56k is YOU may get disconnected and its hard to join races.

And alot of the 42 car races are on tracks like Daytona/Talladega where 3-wide 5 deep is common online. Also having someone 2 feet in front and behind you for laps at a time is common. Lag isnt a problem with broadband. Of course the servers allow you only to see 20-25 cars at a time to minimize lage

Only 6 cars a failing point for GT? Oh brother. The game has had 6 cars for the last 6 years and its done just fine. NFS, Toca, NASCAR EA, PGR, and a host of others offer more cars on track but does that guarentee success? No. The amount of cars on screen is not going to be the difference between Forza and GT4

It is extremely flawed logic to think of the amount of cars on screen as being the biggest or even being close to being the biggest factor of which is better. What if GT4 or Forza handles like crap?

This should have been in the Forza vs GT4 post anyways
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Lets see all the games that lagged with about 5-6 cars on the track:

F1 2001 , F1 2002, F1 challange, F1 GTR MOD as a matter of fact all F1 mods. TOCA, TOCA 2, Grand prix 3, Le Mans 24 hours, NFS U, Colin 2004.

I havent played nascar online cause that **** is crap.
Live for speed was alright sometimes with large fields but it still had lag problems.
When it comes to consoles there will be lag problems even with gt4, I would not imagine playing with 16 cars in forza.
 
Forza has 8 cars on track, 2 more than gt4. Big deal.

edit: I didn't know forza had 15 cars on track. I heard only 8, can someone give me a link to prove it?
 
Actually it is imo, two more cars can make a lot of difference to the feel of a race. Sure as said before, it doesn't gaurentee it WILL b better, but it's still an advantage.
 
Veki
Lets see all the games that lagged with about 5-6 cars on the track:

F1 2001 , F1 2002, F1 challange, F1 GTR MOD as a matter of fact all F1 mods. TOCA, TOCA 2, Grand prix 3, Le Mans 24 hours, NFS U, Colin 2004.

I havent played nascar online cause that **** is crap.
Live for speed was alright sometimes with large fields but it still had lag problems.
When it comes to consoles there will be lag problems even with gt4, I would not imagine playing with 16 cars in forza.
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LOL

NR2003 crap? I'm guessing you never heard of add-ons (Lemans cars, indy cars, tracks)? And for being crap, it seems to be the only racing game that can support more than 15 (42 to be exact) online

Please, if crap Nascar can have 42 online, why will GT4 have problems on a console? Have you played any console games online? If you havent I would suggest you hush
 
As long as all the online players and AI(offline) can challenge you throughout the race I see no see no problem with 6 cars.
 
meh. I don't care. I'll play both online. I think they both will have ther advantages. I can see myself playing on Live more because of all the options, but i still see having a **** load of fun playing GT4 online. Good times are among us.
 
Looks like its time to leave the GT4 Forum for good and come back when the game is out.
More fun reading the hangman thread somebody started in the GT2 Forum. I dont think I can handle another thread about GT4 vs the "F" word.
 

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