A lack of common decency

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I find the lack of courtesy among some users of the Internet, very disturbing. It seems as though, because of the anonymity of the Internet, and these forums, people feel that they can get away with anything they want. But why? Isn't there any common courtesy? My point comes back to a trade that was set up with me a couple of weeks ago, I agreed to trade with a person a car I had for a lvl 23 ticket. Just to be clear, this person approached me and offered the trade. So I agreed, and made the trade as per our agreement, kind of... I did not receive a ticket back, so the next day I politely asked if there was a problem, or did this person not get the car. I did get a response back saying that they "forgot" they already had a trade set up. So fair enough they would send the ticket that night, after the trade reset. But, the ticket never came again, what did come was a used premium car. Nothing I really wanted, but also a car I didn't have, so I just counted my blessings that I got anything from this person and moved on. Fortunately I backed up my save, and was able to make a couple more trades with the car, as I had other people interested in it too, for different items. My point is that this person can now smugly feel that he or she has "gotten away with something" all because of the anonymity of the Internet, and I just consider it a real lack of respect, and common decency.
Thanks for listening to my rant. :)
P.S. If you read this, you know who you are, hope you enjoy the car.
Edit: as this deal was pm to me, please don't try to search for the user in another thread.
Edit: I do also want to make it known that in no way do I feel this way about the majority of people out there, most people I have met online, and the little amount I have traded are really decent and upstanding.
 
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Can the user delete your messages on its messegeboard?

Yes i know, it sickens me also,
That is why i don't trade with people i don't know. Unless ive raced with them alot, and know them for atleast over a month.
 
Before I start, was it me?

No?

Ok then, yeah! Give the man a 23 ticket!

I don't understand the win at all cost mentality. I understand a competitive nature, but there is a right way and a wrong way. The saying is that you should be careful who you 'spit' on, on the way up because they will be 'spitting' on you on the way down.

I try not to mess up my trades. I've met my commitments, maybe after a messed up reset, but I make amends if I fail. I even send more/free stuff for the fun of it.

You should try it one day, send a noob a 22 ticket and 5 chromes. Send random stuff to everyone on your friends list. See the response you get.
 
I think it goes to show the mentality of most of humanity. Greed.

In regards to the internet, I don't venture far outside this forum when it comes to actually interacting.

GT on-line is a place where I will only trade with people I know personally or people with a proven trade record.

It's sad that this has to be the case. In general, it's a sad state of affairs this world is in. Oh well, life goes on.
 
I very rarely ever trade just because I don't like GT5's trading system and of course you're bound to be ****ed out of a deal one way or another... I'd rather not associate GT5 with such negativity and so I do everything the hard but legit way, as I've done for every GT in the past. Even back when we could trade and send multi-million credit cars, I didn't care for the whole trading system. It's all very overrated to me because I am so content with just not trading.
 
Sorry about that friend, yeah that happens a lot but it makes you more appreciative of people who act like gentlemen on the internet, if I could id send you a Ferrari f1 2007 to show there are honourable people out there I would... I've got 3 of the buggers lol
 
Milldrum
You should try it one day, send a noob a 22 ticket and 5 chromes. Send random stuff to everyone on your friends list. See the response you get.
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Hmmm... I like it, with the seasonals paying so much, a lot of people on the forums are saying they have way too many cr. right now anyways, why not help a noob or just give random items or cars, I think I will. :)
 
I'll throw in something sort of related... When racing in clean rooms, I am clearly and cleanly about to pass someone, they literally ram me and run me off the road. What you can't take losing? I'm not that good I'll probably crash later anyway, but it's like geez, lose for once! Take it like a man! Same type of people probably. Look up Maslows hierarchy of needs. There's your answer.
 
e1beatsdotcom
I'll throw in something sort of related... When racing in clean rooms, I am clearly and cleanly about to pass someone, they literally ram me and run me off the road. What you can't take losing? I'm not that good I'll probably crash later anyway, but it's like geez, lose for once! Take it like a man! Same type of people probably. Look up Maslows hierarchy of needs. There's your answer.
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If that is the case, as a society have we failed in the esteem department? Some people fail in the esteem area of life, or possibly even lower, because we have failed them already, and that's why some people will show a lack of decency?
Maybe...
 
One of my PSN friends just started GT5. I've sent him all my spare driver gear, paints, museum cards, and 2 cars so far.

I give away cars to friends who race my Bobs.


I don't care if I get anything back when I give stuff away.


But, I don't trade cars with people I don't know.
 
jsanford76
I find the lack of courtesy among some users of the Internet, very disturbing. It seems as though, because of the anonymity of the Internet, and these forums, people feel that they can get away with anything they want. But why? Isn't there any common courtesy? My point comes back to a trade that was set up with me a couple of weeks ago, I agreed to trade with a person a car I had for a lvl 23 ticket. Just to be clear, this person approached me and offered the trade. So I agreed, and made the trade as per our agreement, kind of... I did not receive a ticket back, so the next day I politely asked if there was a problem, or did this person not get the car. I did get a response back saying that they "forgot" they already had a trade set up. So fair enough they would send the ticket that night, after the trade reset. But, the ticket never came again, what did come was a used premium car. Nothing I really wanted, but also a car I didn't have, so I just counted my blessings that I got anything from this person and moved on. Fortunately I backed up my save, and was able to make a couple more trades with the car, as I had other people interested in it too, for different items. My point is that this person can now smugly feel that he or she has "gotten away with something" all because of the anonymity of the Internet, and I just consider it a real lack of respect, and common decency.
Thanks for listening to my rant. :)
P.S. If you read this, you know who you are, hope you enjoy the car.
Edit: as this deal was pm to me, please don't try to search for the user in another thread.
Edit: I do also want to make it known that in no way do I feel this way about the majority of people out there, most people I have met online, and the little amount I have traded are really decent and upstanding.
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Pm mate.
 
iamjajo
One of my PSN friends just started GT5. I've sent him all my spare driver gear, paints, museum cards, and 2 cars so far.

I give away cars to friends who race my Bobs.


I don't care if I get anything back when I give stuff away.


But, I don't trade cars with people I don't know.
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Very much like myself, ive given loads of 23 and 24 level tickets to friends and guys who race my bobs. I also give away at randon tyres suits head gear and other stuff to guys that send FR after ive beaten them online.
 
Lack of education, lack of worthiness.....
That stupid guy only loss his chance to befriend someone who could teach him something.

There are a lot of people here: honest, trustable, generous, easy going. You can say that duping ruined item values, but our time is not. And if a mate wastes minutes, hours just to do something I need.... I guess community is not too bad.

Also that's the difference between us and AI: AI constantly rams into you in some corners. Some people respect you even if there is no chance to meet face to face. Almost all behave here as they do IRL.
 
jsanford76
I find the lack of courtesy among some users of the Internet, very disturbing. It seems as though, because of the anonymity of the Internet, and these forums, people feel that they can get away with anything they want. But why?
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Do you really have to ask why? People often are rude, uncivilized, ignorant, intolerable, complete idiots or a combination of the aforementioned (and the list goes on and on and on) in real life too, now imagine a street where they all think they're invisible and what will happen then ain't a pretty scene.
These people, along with good natured and polite individuals (and there's a whole lot inbetween or partly both as well), together populate the internet so you're bound to be screwed over if you're not careful or simply unlucky in trusting the wrong person (if not sure, request they send first, if they won't do that, abort the transaction which ofcourse won't work if the other person doesn't trust you either, thankfully the marketplace on this forum offers some form of 'identity' unlike meeting complete strangers online whilst playing GT5).
 
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Anonymity is empowering, just look at all the hacking that's gone on lately, or YouTube comments, or any kind of Internet socialising, or a lot of crime; you wouldn't try to mug someone who knows who you are unless you had a motive, right? On forums where I don't use my real name (which is limited to Rock Paper Shotgun, really) I tend to be less polite and less mature, simply because no one can hold me accountable for it in real life. It's just how things are, really.
 
neema_t
Anonymity is empowering, just look at all the hacking that's gone on lately, or YouTube comments, or any kind of Internet socialising, or a lot of crime; you wouldn't try to mug someone who knows who you are unless you had a motive, right? On forums where I don't use my real name (which is limited to Rock Paper Shotgun, really) I tend to be less polite and less mature, simply because no one can hold me accountable for it in real life. It's just how things are, really.
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But why? Why not treat people with the dignity and respect that they deserve, and that you would like to be treated with. Just because there is no reprisal for your actions does not make them right.
I believe all people are inherently good, so why worry about reprisal for our actions, and not just do good things. Align the karmic forces so to speak.
 
jsanford76
But why? Why not treat people with the dignity and respect that they deserve, and that you would like to be treated with. Just because there is no reprisal for your actions does not make them right.
I believe all people are inherently good, so why worry about reprisal for our actions, and not just do good things. Align the karmic forces so to speak.
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Because not everyone has that same personality. Thinking all people are inherently good sounds pretty naive to me. Sure people have the same core emotions, but it's ones actions that define them.

Anonymity allows you to get away with almost anything. It's a double edged sword that allows for unsurpassed freedom as well as the behavior you're describing.
 
People become very bold when they don't have to worry about getting their asses kicked for stepping out of line. The internet offers unrivaled protection and a safety blanket under which people can show their worst.

It sometimes takes a long time for people to learn that life becomes much more interesting when you're nice to people and maintain some level of honor and dignity. Speak softly, but carry a big stick.

As far as being charitable goes, I can relate. I once bought tons of Lotus Evoras for a paint chip that I was going to use on several cars while building my online racing stable, I ended up gifting them all to everyone on my friends list. Maybe some of them are less advanced than I am in game progression and could use it, if not they can sell it or trade it or whatever. It's not hard to be nice, especially over the internet where it requires no more effort than being an asshole does.

At the end of the day these people get exposed for what they are and the world keeps turning.
 
I send the people who race my bobs the most race suits and helmets, I race their bobs lots they do the same. You don't really "gain" anything from doing it (you lose on random one and gain one random one). But it give a nice friendly feel.

I was cheated out of a trade by this (what sounded like a) 10 year old. He got the car he wanted then never sent me anything. But hey, its only a game, hopefully someone will do it to him oneday.
 
jsanford76
But why? Why not treat people with the dignity and respect that they deserve, and that you would like to be treated with. Just because there is no reprisal for your actions does not make them right.
I believe all people are inherently good, so why worry about reprisal for our actions, and not just do good things. Align the karmic forces so to speak.
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If you indeed believe all people are inherently good you must wonder why a lot happens the way it does, not just on the internet.
There's some real evil folks inhabiting this planet and there always were (most of our history is an endless list of wars), not sure what causes people to behave a certain way and maybe they didn't start out that way but believing all people are inherently good perhaps isn't the same as believing all people are currently good, if not I think you're perhaps indeed a bit naive.

You're asking the question from your perspective with your morals and principles, understanding why others do exactly the opposite you would do, you'd have to see it (hypothetically) from their perspective, etc. for it to make sense I guess.
Although people have a tendency to act without sense or reason, or perhaps have a different definition of what is good or bad.
Best to just accept it for what it is, some things simply cannot be understood or pointless to understand in the first place.

How the hell do I get this somehow back to make it relevant in relation to GT5?
 
There is a communication barrier sometimes....

This just happened to me:

I have a market thread asking for cars with less than 5000km, someone says they are offering 2 cars so I say sure.... he then PMs saying oh sorry I have this other car though (GT350R '65) I shrug it off.. like whatever so long as it's less than 5000km and on that list of cars I need. So that trade goes through all well and good. Great right? Well okay, then I trade someone else looking for tickets, he misreads that I'm only offering a "GT350R '65 Ticket" and mistakes it for " '65 ticket" so I send him the ticket and he is upset but I tell him to read the PM carefully in which I state it is a GT350R ticket. Thinking that I sent him one with less than 5000km I am not feeling overly bad about this, it's still a good car and he rereads the PM saying that it is partially his fault. So okay I'm thinking nothing is all that bad about what just happened, everyone got something so it's all good. Welllllllllll the bastard that gave me the GT350R gave me one with more than 5000km after I opened the ticket today.. and I regifted it thinking that it is a nice gift when really I NEVER WOULD HAVE OFFERED IT TO ANYONE if I knew it had 60,000km on it. Meanwhile I've crossed it off my list of cars to get so if it came up in that time period I missed out on getting a car that I want and I wasted someone else's time because of it also.

I only opened it today because of this thread, because I have just been relying on trust. I opened 2 more tickets and they weren't less than 5000km either (from another person). I crossed them off my list also thinking I had them already (and I do, just not with less than 5000km, which is my goal).

There's no real way to combat this other than to leave them a message on their GTP profile saying they owe you a car/whatever, and not be so trusting I suppose? :)
 
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I know how you feel man, traded a car to someone who was looking for a car first, so i agreed with him. He sent first, saw the little red star in the community section, so i figured he sent it, so i processed to sent my car. Later when i tried to "import" the car that he sent, it turned out to be a catalytic. I told him he must of made a mistake, realising that I got scammed. He just told me "i just got raped." So there goes 700k. :/
The next day, one of my friends also got scammed. So, knowing how he felt, i sent him the car that he lost, a ferrari 599, and along with any car he would of liked. I just hate seeing people getting scammed. Frustrates me so much.:grumpy:
 
The Internet is a communication tool of 'Virtual World' - much like we're all sims around here. Quite often, if you meet someone off the 'net - whom you've only 'seen' in words (not talking about video-phone-like web-camming) you would be taken-aback - because the visual metaphors you might have coloured that person with may in no way reflect their real-life visual cues.
And that's just the visual part. What hides in them is hard enough to figure out IRL.
For all anyone knows - I may be Cleverbot's illegitimate offspring. I'm not!. OK - I'm telling you I'm not. Darn . . .

Your thread has opened a can of worms, though, that has been fished with since the invention of graffitti. A huge percentage of the literati that inhabits the Internet hunting for that 15 seconds of glory hide behind the (seeming) anonymity that a technologically simulated screaming match provides.
Strip the Sims off their User ID's and tablets, and tell them to face, personally, ALL the viewers worldwide that view their posts, and then say what they have to say and most of them will dive back into their foxholes.
As well - barely moderated sites like YouTube, etc, that have to deal with a thousand bastardised languages, evolve ignorance, indecency, and hostility, in the name of Entertainment.

Many good post in here, though, that fully demonstrate the fact that there are still people who understand the concept of decent intercourse . . . let alone human-like altruism.
 
Corpsey
You know you can give someone a car and still keep it, right? :P Backup save, gift, reload save, refresh thumbnail.
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I know, but i never really knew how to do it and i feared if i gave it a go i'd loose all my cars, paint & gear.
 

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