A possible cure for HIV/AIDS?

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Also a massive 27% of the population in some areas of Africa have been raped...

A popular myth in some of the poorer areas is that HIV can be cured by sleeping with a virgin. This causes the ignorent and desperate to rape 10 year olds landing them with aids aswell. Many people with HIV positive parents will be born with HIV unknowingly.

Poor education and lax standards allow this vicious circle to continue.
 
Sex is bad, no one should have sex stop!! If someone asks you to do it tell them it's not the jedi way.
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the_undrtaker89
Sex is bad, no one should have sex stop!! If someone asks you to do it tell them it's not the jedi way.
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Luke? Leia? Where did they come from?
 
danoff
Sounds a little inconsistent.

To me, it isn't a big problem if it's easily preventable... and AIDS is easily preventable.
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I agree, except for some cases. Like others said blood transfusions or even people born with it. Thats why sticking to one partner really helps 👍
 
a6m5
Very good point. 👍 Also, time after time, I'm so surprised by how people are ignorant about the problems in Africa. Unlike in the North America or Europe, people in Africa still needs to be educated about how to avoid AIDS/HIV and what they can do. Secondly, occurence of rape is much higher in Africa(from what I've read, especially in Southern parts of Africa). WE ARE TALKING MILLIONS, EVERY YEAR. Not a big problem to us..... for now.

I do think and agree that cancer research is more important than AIDS/HIV research. But to say it's not important is just ignorant.
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It isn't just Africa. India and others also need to learn it.
However, I kept hearing through school India did it because it supposed to be some sort of thing with their religon that said they needed many children.

And hearing the husbands on those tapes...wow.
 
McLaren F1GTR
It isn't just Africa. India and others also need to learn it.
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I am aware of that.

a6m5
AIDS is a huge problem. Millions get sick or die from it, mostly in poorer countries. Last I read, it's starting to spread in Asia. Just starting to, nothing major, except it has been real bad in India, reportedly. And I do agree with Omnis. Even if it was tested on only 40 patients, it's still an remarkable advancement.
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Very good point. Also, time after time, I'm so surprised by how people are ignorant about the problems in Africa. Unlike in the North America or Europe, people in Africa still needs to be educated about how to avoid AIDS/HIV and what they can do. Secondly, occurence of rape is much higher in Africa(from what I've read, especially in Southern parts of Africa). WE ARE TALKING MILLIONS, EVERY YEAR. Not a big problem to us..... for now.
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I didn't say that nobody got AIDS who didn't deserve it. But you're basically talking about another problem in Africa - rape. But Africa has more problems than just that. They also have food and war problems... and malaria. How about instead of spending a ton of money on AIDS research we spend half of that money educating people about how to avoid it... or what about letting the African governments deal with their own problems? They can spend the AIDS research money and let America spend it on more important things like cancer.

I do think and agree that cancer research is more important than AIDS/HIV research. But to say it's not important is just ignorant.
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Thanks for contributing. It's nice to see that you can make a solid well-informed argument. I just don't have the logical wits to come back against an argument like "you're ignorant". That's a tough one. You've clearly demonstrated your intellectual supreriority on this topic.

Tell that to the children born with HIV/AIDS, or the ones who lost their parents because of it.
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See above.
 
danoff
I didn't say that nobody got AIDS who didn't deserve it.
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Well, what's this quote then:
danoff
AIDS research is pretty much a waste of money because I have a cure for it right now... stop having sex.
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If I got this right, you were suggesting people choosing to have sex out of marriage or the relationship were the only people who got AIDS/HIV.

danoff
Thanks for contributing. It's nice to see that you can make a solid well-informed argument. I just don't have the logical wits to come back against an argument like "you're ignorant". That's a tough one. You've clearly demonstrated your intellectual supreriority on this topic.
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:confused: If I was out of line, I apologize. But to say we shouldn't research AIDS/HIV, because YOU don't approve of it, what do you call that?
 
About this:
danoff
AIDS research is pretty much a waste of money because I have a cure for it right now... stop having sex.

AIDS is not a big problem - it has an easy solution allowing any intelligent person to prevent themselves from getting it. Cancer on the otherhand strikes anyone at any time - there is no solution at all to that problem. That's one place we need medicine pretty badly.
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Ok, that would make sense if sex was the only way of getting it. And it isn't a solution, it's just a way to avoid the issue and let it "fix itself", IMHO.

Cancer (and HIV/AIDS) have ways to keep them in control -and maybe, "cure" them, althought this isn't the case with AIDS- but they don't have a definite cure (which would be a viral count of zero for HIV, no presence of malignous cells with cancer, and a high treatment success rate for both), which is why research has to be done in order to find a cure, that is both effective and inexpensive.

AIDS is a big problem (I'm not saying that cancer isn't) because you don't really know who has it and who doesn't (you can always find out with a test, but it isn't mandatory to have one, and even this is not 100% effective), so the 'solution' of simply not having sex couldn't work here: you can have sexual relations with your wife/husband only to find out later that she/he is infected. What then? Because HIV is not exclusively a STD, it only takes one infected person to spread it, be it through sex, or other transmission methods.

Prevention is necessary, I agree with that, but finding a way to cure it is also important. "Prevention is better than cure, but cure is better than ignorance."
 
AIDS is a big problem (I'm not saying that cancer isn't) because you don't really know who has it and who doesn't (you can always find out with a test, but it isn't mandatory to have one, and even this is not 100% effective), so the 'solution' of simply not having sex couldn't work here: you can have sexual relations with your wife/husband only to find out later that she/he is infected. What then?
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You said "ok so your solutions is the following, but what if you don't do that - then what?" My answer is, see the above solution.

Ok, that would make sense if sex was the only way of getting it. And it isn't a solution, it's just a way to avoid the issue and let it "fix itself", IMHO.
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"Fix itself" sounds like a solution to me.

If I got this right, you were suggesting people choosing to have sex out of marriage or the relationship were the only people who got AIDS/HIV.
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You didn't get it right.

If I was out of line, I apologize. But to say we shouldn't research AIDS/HIV, because YOU don't approve of it, what do you call that?
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I don't see how that has any relevance to the topic because I don't think anyone here has said that.
 
danoff
You didn't get it right.
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Right. :rolleyes: Thanks for clarification.



danoff
AIDS research is pretty much a waste of money because I have a cure for it right now... stop having sex.

AIDS is not a big problem - it has an easy solution allowing any intelligent person to prevent themselves from getting it. Cancer on the otherhand strikes anyone at any time - there is no solution at all to that problem. That's one place we need medicine pretty badly.
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a6m5
:confused: If I was out of line, I apologize. But to say we shouldn't research AIDS/HIV, because YOU don't approve of it, what do you call that?
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danoff
I don't see how that has any relevance to the topic because I don't think anyone here has said that.
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Well, what did you mean then, when you said that research is a waste of money. And you said that you already have a "cure". You said that is to stop having sex.
 
danoff
AIDS is not a big problem - it has an easy solution allowing any intelligent person to prevent themselves from getting it. Cancer on the otherhand strikes anyone at any time - there is no solution at all to that problem. That's one place we need medicine pretty badly.
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I tend to speak in generalities. You'll have to excuse that. My point with this is about the fundamental difference between the nature of cancer and AIDS - not the nuances of AIDS transmission.

Well, what did you mean then, when you said that research is a waste of money. And you said that you already have a "cure". You said that is to stop having sex.
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I meant that AIDS research is a waste of money an that I have a cure for AIDS as an epidemic in the human species (not one particular human) - that that cure is to stop having sex. If you choose to have sex, you do so at an accepted level of risk of getting any STD.
 
danoff
I tend to speak in generalities. You'll have to excuse that. My point with this is about the fundamental difference between the nature of cancer and AIDS - not the nuances of AIDS transmission.
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No problem. Cancer definitely is harder to avoid than AIDS/HIV. Like people say all the time, you could get cancer from anything. Cancer is one of the biggest fear of my life. AIDS/HIV, not so much..... just a little.
 
But as many postewrs (including me) have said people often do not "choose" to have sex in these countries.
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That doesn't change the facts. The epidemic has a solution that we know today. Why spend bajillions of dollars trying to find another solution when we could spend it on problems that don't have even one?
 
One of the awareness problems with attitudes to the AIDS epidemic seems to be that people 'forget' about it if they aren't constantly reminded.

They also forget just how widespread this problem is and that it's likely to get far, far worse before we see any improvements on the global stage.

For example, some African nations are looking at a 50% infection rate and with 100% mortality (as far as I know) that doesn't bode well for the stability of already fractious states :(.

Given the ever present possibilty of mutation in the viral RNA, I'd say that AIDS research is just as valid as cancer research - the concept of an airborne strain of AIDS with no cure is terrifying (pretty much a case of "Bye Bye civilisation").
 
Given the ever present possibilty of mutation in the viral RNA, I'd say that AIDS research is just as valid as cancer research - the concept of an airborne strain of AIDS with no cure is terrifying (pretty much a case of "Bye Bye civilisation").
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...so you want to protect against a disease that doesn't exist is that it?
 
I think you grabbed the wrong end of the stick there Danoff.

Let's try another tack.

The incubation period for HIV is very long (about seven years if I remember rightly) and as such the medical profession does not as yet know the true extent of infection rates around the world.

Now the problem with the disease, as you no doubt are aware, is that it leaves you open to attack by all kinds of other diseases. That means that it places a heavy demand on the medical services of the country the patient is in. Leaving aside the very real human suffering, can you imagine the economic costs if only, say, ten percent of a population are infected?

So work on a counter-agent that efficiently curtails these subsiduary infections and is also relatively cheap has to be a worthwhile goal don't you feel? If the doctors didn't think so I'm sure that the politicians would come budget time :D!
 
If the doctors didn't think so I'm sure that the politicians would come budget time
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What do politicians have to do with healthcare? I pay for my healthcare, not some politicians.

That means that it places a heavy demand on the medical services of the country the patient is in. Leaving aside the very real human suffering, can you imagine the economic costs if only, say, ten percent of a population are infected?
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Let the people who have aids choose whether or not they want to pay to keep themselves alive another few days. Meanwhile we'll divert any government research money to diseases that don't have a cure.
 
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I assume you're American, Danoff, or come from another country with no National Health Service :).

Regardless, you obviously have your mind made up and I don't get paid to try and change it i.e. you're entitled to your opinion, even if it is a little to the Right of Ghenghis Khan :D.
 
I assume you're American, Danoff, or come from another country with no National Health Service
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Yup, I'm an American and we do not have a national health service. We also don't have the problems of a national health service that that guy was talking about.
 
danoff
What do politicians have to do with healthcare? I pay for my healthcare, not some politicians.



Let the people who have aids choose whether or not they want to pay to keep themselves alive another few days. Meanwhile we'll divert any government research money to diseases that don't have a cure.
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Your are obviously quite healthy at the moment; your luck but you wouldn't talk like that if were ill yourself ( or your relatives )... The American Health system is really bad, realize that... but that would lead back to the "civilized nations thread"....
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HATEKORE
AIDS is good, gets rid of the scum
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:rolleyes: comments like that are a good way of getting yourself banned... you'll notice that this is not the Opinions Forum...
 
im sorry but its topics like these that make me hate humanity, if your dumb enough to get aids live with it, dont waste my tax money on fixing your problems
 
HATEKORE
im sorry but its topics like these that make me hate humanity, if your dumb enough to get aids live with it, dont waste my tax money on fixing your problems
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AHAHA... again... as if people like you would pay a lot of taxes.....
 

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