A.R.C#2 ( Round 5 - SSR5II Wet )

phattboy · Mar 31, 2004

phattboy's rephlection:

For those who might not have considered this... After getting to "know" the track, I have a theory that in then running repetitive laps around the track to develop "habits" that make me go faster... I (unfortunately) also develop "habits" that eventually prevent me from going faster.

Taking a break, changing cars for awhile, drastic settings changes... All help to break those "habits" of "impasse" with my times.

It's kind of like when I watch other people doing the same thing again and again and each time, expecting different results. I think to myself... "How dumb is that?"

On the other hand, I'm constantly on my kids to "practice" their instruments and such.

It's an enigma I tell ya!!! :rolleyes:

phattboy

GT3mich · Mar 31, 2004

Originally posted by Mr P
I'm only bothered about GT3mich getting ahead of me I want to win this comp believe it or not

... this round is make or break time for the could be winner the Team winners is already decided 👍

Good luck to everyone! ... except Mich

only messin mate ..... lets get it on

ME too. I would like to win this comp also. T13R and zeroh are going to find it a bit difficult since they used the two fastest tarmac cars already. LDM and I tested all these cars at the different tracks and although he deviated from our strategy, it is looking like its paying off unlike ARC 1 that was just guess work.
Back to the track...

Old Geezer · Mar 31, 2004

Am SO Glad I was Laughing "WITH" Tomski yesterday & NOT Laughing "AT" Him! 👍
Think I'll change my "Moniker" from "UB57" to "I BE STOOPID!" :dunce:

Finally found time to run a few Laps & after about 5-10 thought "There's something seriously wrong here, even in the "WET" I gotta have more grip." Of course I still had "Dirt Tyres" installed! :banghead:

Changed 'em out & was STILL 5 Seconds off the pace @ T1 & about 7 seconds @ T2!!! Yep, old "I BE STOOPID!" read off Mr P's original Preview Sheet & DID NOT check the Race announcement ( for the Second Time!) & I spent 1/2 Hour GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION!!!

Back "On Track" (Way off the Pace) but back "On Track" none the less. Best time so far: T1= 27.7 / T2 = 51.4...UB57

LDM · Mar 31, 2004

Originally posted by GT3mich
ME too. I would like to win this comp also. T13R and zeroh are going to find it a bit difficult since they used the two fastest tarmac cars already. LDM and I tested all these cars at the different tracks and although he deviated from our strategy, it is looking like its paying off unlike ARC 1 that was just guess work.
Back to the track...

Sorry my fast teammate but if you check 'The Story So Far' you will find that they still have a couple of very good cars available. There are four decent cars for this track if you can drive in the wet. Mr P and Max E have less choice than they do and as you can see it is not hurting them.

And I would hazard a guess that Mr P is driving the very car that I said seemed to have an advantage here at least by gut instinct. The car I would have picked if I had to do so without testing.

Of course our testing showed there were several competitive cars.

Tomski · Mar 31, 2004

I tried another car, best splits so far a 27.5 and a 50.9

Mr P · Apr 1, 2004

Originally posted by LDM
And I would hazard a guess that Mr P is driving the very car that I said seemed to have an advantage here at least by gut instinct. The car I would have picked if I had to do so without testing.

Yep thats my car

the one with the grunt

eggmann · Apr 1, 2004

Originally posted by phattboy
On the other hand, I'm constantly on my kids to "practice" their instruments and such.

Hmmmmm, my dad always told me "TURN THAT NOISE OFF!"
But now that I'm playing bass in the church band he's all proud. :rolleyes:

phattboy · Apr 1, 2004

Originally posted by eggmann
Hmmmmm, my dad always told me "TURN THAT NOISE OFF!"
But now that I'm playing bass in the church band he's all proud.

I'm a proud Dad too

When my kids first started on their instruments (cello/trombone), it was HORRIBLE!!! I remember wondering why the saying ever came about that "Music soothes the savage soul". I was sure there was no redeemable quality to be had... ever! But now they have been playing several years, I know I was wrong. I can nap to either one playing though I prefer the cello

I play the guitar in the church band as well... Really enjoy it too!

Oh yeah... to make this a legitimate race post:

My T-Times on this track are "Stinking up the Joint"! It's wet here because the toilet overflowed! :lol:

phattboy

Barbol · Apr 1, 2004

With horrible setup (especially gears) :irked:

The best lap splits so far are 27.8 and 51.3

Go on :cool:

NielsG · Apr 1, 2004

Good times, Barbol. 👍
Wish I could follow up, but I find this one very difficult. I was out early with some T-splits from a dirty lap knowing, it was a piece of cake making that lap clean.

I was terrible wrong. I'm pushing real hard to get those times down, and constantly blowing it on some of the easier turns, when I manage the hard ones. :banghead:

I am though improving on my cornering, so I guess it's just a matter of time, practice and some more practice and a little more time and then some luck, before I get some results.

Venom77 · Apr 1, 2004

Just improved my sectors from my last run

I tried a different tactic this time i turned my ghost off worked a treat for me :cool:

T1/0.27.1
T2/0.50.7
Nowhere near the top gunners :irked:

In the next half hour me not going to be able to race(KIDS)

Love this course though :trouble:

Laters

NielsG · Apr 1, 2004

Some morning racing before work.
27.3
51.9
and clean this time. (Guess my mom was right, when she told me about the benefits of getting up early) :lol:

Next step is searching for some replays. I really blew the U-turn on the above lap, but still I think, what I consider the right line isn't the optimal one.

Like Venom, I also turned my ghost last night. Its getting in the way, and I focus to much on it, instead of on the track.

Venom77 · Apr 1, 2004

Im incar view so its very annoying just put's you right off :irked:

GT3mich · Apr 1, 2004

Originally posted by NielsG

Next step is searching for some replays. .

NielsG, some of the fastest replays at SSR5IIwet can be found here.
http://www.lecoyote.net/gtweb/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2560
Good luck

NielsG · Apr 1, 2004

Thanks, GT3mich. Just what I was looking for. 👍

I've also found some in the weekly race archive.

I'm going in the theater tonight.

phattboy · Apr 1, 2004

From the Track Fodder Foundation:

Bearing in mind, I am not quite up there with the leaders yet although I am now finally running 50.low T2 times. For those of you faster guys, feel free, make that, please do correct this as necessary. The point is to help those of us who are slower to get faster.

Inherently, because it is 4WD, my car has a bit of understeer when under power. I tuned that out as best I could but decided it was an effort in futility to think it would all go away and it would be better to find a line around the track that would allow for that. Additionally, I decided I could teach myself to get back on the gas later in the apex when the nose of the car was pointed more in the right direction. When you are in the current of the river, there is no sense in trying to swim to the shore until the river takes a bend. At that point, the current will naturally take you there. The same principles apply here only in reverse because we want to follow the current around the bend, not go to the shore.

Thus, we coast until the current turns our nose in the right direction, then we paddle.

I set my front end down, the springs fairly light, the shocks just above mid in the rear and lighter in the front mostly for coming up on the rumbles and leaving the rumbles smoothly. But the logic was also that it also helps to enhance the steering when getting off the gas from the weight shift when the car pitches forward.

I reduced the amount of camber in the front slightly to get a little more tread on the pavement and left the rear camber alone.

I buried the stabilizers at their lowest setting because the car seemed less jumpy there.

I set my brakes up and even front to rear so they would be predictable and feel immediate.

I set my gears low because I have always found that easier to manage wheel spin in the rain. I grew up driving in rain/snow/inclement weather and know the next gear up is where you go to get going. My dad used to say Lug it a little Greg youre spinning the wheels and you obviously aint going anywhere ya bonehead. Besides, I know my mom used to make me eat it but really do hate spinnage. :lol:

How low? Personal preference applies here but a good starting place I would use would be to look at the torque range of the car I am running and set it so that is where its taching at acceleration points on the track.

Knowing I would have to use a bit of rearsteer to offset the understeer, I lightened the downforce just a twitch so I could easily induce that effect (You guys running automatics I think need to do this). The counter thought here is the track is wet so the slightly lighter rear end needs to be managed at all times. You might not like it unlike spinnage its an acquired taste.

Then, for grins, I put one click on the TCS mostly for the second corner but also to give a nod at the tight right (hairpin/ U turn?) on the second chicane like section.

With that "overintellectualized thought process" I went to the track to play.

phattboy

phattboy · Apr 1, 2004

Aaannnddd BTW THERE IS NO SUBSTITUE FOR PLAYING!!!

At the track up the straight at the end of the straight, off the gas, downshift, little turn, slight pause, tap the brakes and downshift again let the current pull me a little lug it to the last light pole before the turn then quickly (and deftly), start the turn left, tap the brakes (Aahhh theres that slight rearsteer I wanted) downshift, nose is right, accelerate in almost a straight line, over the rumble just missed the fence, very slight left, miss the wall on the right, slight right and upshift mid chicane to lug full power through the second chicane corner, ride the drift out, upshift again before the T1 and would you look at that 26.xxx!!! :eek:

Yah BABY!!! Now Im cookin!!!

Whoopsy... shouldn't have looked at that!!!

ChokeSmack the wall... yadayadayada...

Well at least I know how now you drive it like a speedboat

phattboy

NielsG · Apr 1, 2004

Hi phattboy.

Are these splendid times done in the same car, I am driving, or are they from the other, we talked about?

phattboy · Apr 1, 2004

Same car you are driving... After we talked... I got to thinking about a few things (obviously from my post... duh) and switched over to your car last night to test them out. I was going to try a couple more tonight if I get the time and then go give the same things a go on the car I am running and see how they pan out.

BTW: Glad you think these are splendid :cool:

By my reckoning I still gotta go faster... The "speedy" guys are smoking right along here...

It's almost like they are scared of something and I'm afraid to look back and see what it is. I saw a Boiler Technician at one of my jobsites wearing a T-shirt that on the back said: "I'm a professional Boiler Tech... If you see me running, try and keep up!" :lol:

phattboy

NielsG · Apr 1, 2004

Originally posted by GT3mich
NielsG, some of the fastest replays at SSR5IIwet can be found here.
http://www.lecoyote.net/gtweb/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2560
Good luck

Well, thanks again, now I actually checked them out. Very useful for me. Just around 40 laps and now I'm at:
27.5
51.3
And felling much more comfortable with the track.

Mr P · Apr 2, 2004

Originally posted by phattboy
Whoopsy... shouldn't have looked at that!!!

ChokeSmack the wall... yadayadayada... phattboy [/B]

I'm all too familiar with sloppyness due to looking at splits :irked:

You dont want to know the T1 that I messed up tonight due to sector watching

.... that sounds better

It's not enough that I restart about 4 out of 5 laps at the 1st chicane without getting through it and messing up in a considerably easier section :rolleyes:

I'm about done with this combo anyway ... round 6 will have to be the old black tape on the screen covering the sector trick :lol:

Patsi likes that one too

... hope GT4 lets us turn sector times off as we would a ghost car

Good luck racing guys :cheers:

Mr P · Apr 2, 2004

Oh yeah! ... forgot to say Scuderia229 will be Ghosting this round with us 👍

Welcome and Good Luck :cool:

Werner Winkels · Apr 2, 2004

T1 : 27.466
T2 : 51.379

phattboy · Apr 2, 2004

Originally posted by Mr P
I'm all too familiar with sloppyness due to looking at splits

You dont want to know the T1 that I messed up tonight due to sector watching .... that sounds better