ABS @ 0 =>brake balance F/R = very low value = enjoy.

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Well, the main reason to run below 5 up front is because PD allows no linearity adjustment for the pedals and for G25/G27 pedals when left at 5/5 the brake pedal is way too sensitive.

It's a workaround for lack of pedal (controller input) adjustment in GT5.

It would be more ideal to leave front at 5 or above and then adjust pedal sensitively in the menu options, but PD didn't feel it necessary to give us this very basic and simple setting.

The rear brake adjustment is nothing more than to balance the rears to the front.. 5/5 default is totally wrong for 99.9% of the cars in GT5, but we've had that discussion already.
 
ABS is set to ZERO and brake balance gets set to 3/2 on all of my cars. There's plenty of braking force to lock up the tires on a street car. Maybe something with race softs would need more braking power, but I've yet to need it. The amount of pressure used with my setups feels about like it does in real life...not being scared to use more than 10% of the brakes if the wheel isn't dead centered, like the default 5/5 feels.
 
Hey guys, it is really not that complicated.

What you set is how hard the car brakes, and if your tyres can not handle that, you lock - unless ABS protects you.

On comfort tyres you obviously lock much earlier than on sports or racing. Therefore you need to turn down the braking force on comforts, else you can only use the first quarter or something of the pedal range, the rest is just too much force for those tyres to manage, so they slip.

As a rule of thumb I use:
comfort: Between 2/1 and 3/2
sports: Between 5/2 and 6/3
racing: 7/2 or higher

Some cars just brake better than others, they can manage a higher braking force with the same tyres.

The silly thing is when you turn ABS on, all these differences disappear. Whether you use 5/5 or 10/10 on comfort tyres with ABS, they will still only brake with a power maybe around 2'ish.
 
"I too recently turned off ABS (I'd always driven with all AIDS off except ABS at 1). It hasn't affected my laptimes at all, and I feel much better being AIDS free. "

I play with ABS off and brake balance set to 5 front, 1 rear. I find the game so much more fun with ABS and all other aids off, as well as manual transmission, and sports soft.

Would be nice if PD added check boxes for ABS off and manual transmission to the online race configuration settings. But then, it would be unrealistic to expect PD to implement something players actually want :)
 
Already knew this. I use it in cars that I know they don´t have ABS in real life, or race cars. 1/0 or even 2/1 (depending on the tyres) for street cars, and up to 3/1 in race cars. It feels really nice. Wheels won´t lock unless you step hard on the brakes for a long period of time.

This is a very cool feature. I thank PD for this little nice addition! I wanted it since GT4, and didn´t expect it for GT5/GT5 Prologe.
 
Eric.
ABS is set to ZERO and brake balance gets set to 3/2 on all of my cars. There's plenty of braking force to lock up the tires on a street car. Maybe something with race softs would need more braking power, but I've yet to need it. The amount of pressure used with my setups feels about like it does in real life...not being scared to use more than 10% of the brakes if the wheel isn't dead centered, like the default 5/5 feels.
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I use 3/2 if I want my car to rotate a lot more under braking while having ANY steering input.. I have found 3/1 to be adequate most of the time though, the car will rotate, just later.

Try a few experiment with a familiar car, it is amazing how much difference there is between 3/2 and 3/1, it's really drastic change..

That's a good thing though, I bet in real life if you adjusted brake bias that much (one third more rear brake force)- you'd probably see a big change in car behavior while braking and turning.
 
SHIRAKAWA Akira
With ABS off you need to set your brake bias mostly to the front. (usually around 75-80% of the total brake force).
4/1 or 5/2 is usually a good start, at least for me, for a wheel/pedal set.
A finer control (the lower the values, the less precisely is possible to adjust bias) would have been welcomed, though.
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PD needs to clarify what their "brake settings" do, is it a mix of Balance and Strength, or one or the other?

With ABS off i use similar settings to you, but this was bugging me, because i was wondering, how can they claim realism when the brakes are evenly set for all cars, or does it give us the cars real values (race cars have huge disc brakes with immense stopping power while daily drivers have weaker brakes) and allowing us to adjust it based on its PRE SET balance and strength? Or actually allowing us to control Balance\Strength.

Furthermore, how are we even allowed to control brake bias\strength on every car? GT4 you had to get the racing brakes to adjust them. I think this was a compromise for PDs brake system flaws.
 
I've been doing this almost since day one! ABS off and brakes at 1/1. Not all the time, just when I feel like having a good fun challenge.

I think a lot of people don't really understand how the brake balance works :rolleyes: For example, it seems many people think having the brakes at 5/5 means 50% of braking force goes to the front, 50% to the rear. Not true, 5/5 is balanced the way the car is in real life, or at least PD's interpretation of real life So 5/5 is actually more like 7/3.

Some cars that understeer under hard braking even with abs on can benefit from dialing down the brakes to 4/4 or 3/4 or 4/3 or something along those lines.

One other note on braking: To help the vehicle turn in under braking, some vehicles benefit from having a front brake bias, others a rear brake bias. I think the way to determine which it is, is to look at the weight balance. If your car is heavier in the front, bias the brakes toward the front a little, and visa-versa if it is heavier in the back.
 
Settings are for brake strenght for each axle.
By setting an uneven braking strenght for both axles, you can adjust the brake distribution.
There are however many problems with this, as it isn't very precise especially when small values are used, and it isn't possible to know what is exactly the brake distribution set, since a value of 0 correspond to a certain non-zero actual braking strenght.

Brake strenght appears to be the same for each car regardless of what their brakes are in real life. Settings don't appear to be an offset from a base, realistic value.

I strongly agree this was a compromise for PD's brake system flaws.

I think a lot of people don't really understand how the brake balance works For example, it seems many people think having the brakes at 5/5 means 50% of braking force goes to the front, 50% to the rear. Not true, 5/5 is balanced the way the car is in real life, or at least PD's interpretation of real life So 5/5 is actually more like 7/3.
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Not at all. 5/5 is not in anyway balanced with the ABS off. Rear tires will lock first with that on most cars.
I regularly drive with the ABS disabled, that is, all the time.
 
I'd swap all my museum cards, racing suits, pit crews, X2010's, car horns, photo locations, helmets, b-spec mode and intro videos for proper brakes.
 
QB1o
I'd swap all my museum cards, racing suits, pit crews, X2010's, car horns, photo locations, helmets, b-spec mode and intro videos for proper brakes.
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I'd keep the pit crew and photo mode. The rest I'll trade for sure.
 
Unless you want to change your tires yourself (can imagine) you'd keep your pit crew. lol

My brake balance is set to 5-3, some cars 4-3. This works pretty well for me with ABS off (DS3) :)
 
SHIRAKAWA Akira
Not at all. 5/5 is not in anyway balanced with the ABS off. Rear tires will lock first with that on most cars.I regularly drive with the ABS disabled, that is, all the time.
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True.. And I think leeson65 is wrong about this.

I'm pretty sure the weird 5/5 brake bias was intended for ABS- and to be an adjustment of how the ABS works to help you turn or rotate your car under braking.

In fact, IIRC, when you click the ''question mark'' box or whatever to get the explination for the setting in the tuning setup page, that's what PD says.

When using ABS the settings seem to do a completely different thing than when ABS is set to 0.

Now I'm beginning to think that when you set the ABS to 0, the setting is a completely different adjustment, it goes from being an ABS adjustment to a ''brake force'' adjustment and ''brake bias'' adjustment all in one. That's exactly how it acts anyway.

It'd be nice if PD gave us a separate brake force and brake bias adjustment because as it is now, the lower you set the brake force (say going down to 3/1), the less fine tuning is possible for brake bias.

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ABS ON --------- setting adjusts ABS, and how ABS acts to help turn car along with brake force.
With ABS OFF --- setting is a brake bias and brake force adjustment all in one.

P.S.

Anyone wigth a G25 or G27 NEEDS to go get the NIXIM mod brake mod Version 2! It's awesome, cheap, and totally transforms braking pedal feel to something MUCH more realistic!

Ver 2 comes with a clutch pedal spring. Save yourself some time and just use the brake pedal mod. It rocks!

Here's where you get it..
http://www.nixim.com/index.php?pageid=brakemod

Don't trim the ''threshold buffer'' rubber, but definitely use it. In fact for GT5 it might even be nice to have a little bit longer threshold buffer rubber piece.
 
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