ABS off?

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Does anyone here regularly race with the ABS off, or know why someone would try such a thing?

I totally understand turning off traction control. It's a lot more fun, and I think I'm posting better times with TCS off. But ABS on 1 seems critical for any type of high speed competitive racing!

Anyone disagree or want to add his two cents?
 
If the rest of the field has ABS off, you can master it to take advantage of it. If not, you are on a huge disadvantage.
 
I race with ABS off, but that's because I'm lucky enough to have a set of ClubSport Pedals.

I've tried with a controller and also with my old Logitech Driving Force Pro wheel and with ABS off the brakes seem to act like a switch so I can see why the majority prefer to leave it on.

My reason for ABS off is not for lap times etc but because I can and because as far as I'm concerned -as a motorsport fan- all forms of motorsport that I enjoy all have no ABS and No TCS in the rules and as I like to race as close to the real thing as I can with any racing game I will always turn it all off. If I could force online lobby options to include ABS Off I would but as it is I think the game would be unplayable for the majority that way.
 
ABS extends your braking distance by releasing pressure when the wheels lock up. If you can master ABS off you will find you brake much harder and faster.

However, this isn't easy in a video game where you don't have real pedal feel. Especially with a controller. So it is up to you, if you can master it you will find an advantage but it sure is a hell of a lot easier with it on 1.
 
I run ABS off most of the time and its superb fun. In fact the only time i used ABS in single player was the X1 challenge. I use a Logitech G25
 
Interesting opinions.

I use a G25 as well, and in some Mclaren (don't remember exactly which one) I've managed to control my car with ABS off. But I know I never would have won if the rest of the pack hadn't been so much less powerful. Really really light brake pressure does it for me, and I see the reduction in braking distance, but I'd much rather be able to step on the pedal!

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed those two races without ABS, but in a race that I'm not sure I'm going to win, I'll take ABS on one, thank you very much :).
 
In the Supercar Challenge Social Group all online racing events are ABS off. Probably it is that way because when SCC was the game being played, all aids off was mandatory within that group. And we value tradition :lol:

So yes, it's doable, and it adds a lot to the gaming experience. Of course, brake values have to be a lot lower than the ones used when you can just smash the brake pedal/ button. You immediately have to drop the usual 5-to-7 values to 3 at the front and 1 or even ZERO at the back. Rest assured, the car will still stop if you want to :D
 
I use ABS off all the time and set the brake controller to F1 and R1 I use fanatec club sport pedals and usually pump the brake entering corners and/or use heel toe to help stabalise the car into corners so much more fun. And my times are qiucker than if i use abs 1 with say R5 f7 brake controller but it feels safer LOL
 
iNiff
ABS extends your braking distance by releasing pressure when the wheels lock up. If you can master ABS off you will find you brake much harder and faster.

However, this isn't easy in a video game where you don't have real pedal feel. Especially with a controller. So it is up to you, if you can master it you will find an advantage but it sure is a hell of a lot easier with it on 1.
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In GT5, ABS sets how much tyre gip is used in braking, 10 the least, and 1 the most, right on the edge of locking up. GT5 hasn't really simulated ABS off very well, because the brakes are much to easy to lock up, and rather than maybe only 1 wheel locking up, they both will at the same time...
 
iNiff
ABS extends your braking distance by releasing pressure when the wheels lock up. If you can master ABS off you will find you brake much harder and faster.

However, this isn't easy in a video game where you don't have real pedal feel. Especially with a controller. So it is up to you, if you can master it you will find an advantage but it sure is a hell of a lot easier with it on 1.
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Great post.

In reality you never brake at 100%, but that's what most people (myself included) do when using a controller or run of the mill pedals.
 
I turn ABS of because I find it more fun to drive that way - and the deal with logitech pedals is that you have to fully break once or twice when you start the game and them it becames much easier not to lock the breaks - especially if you play a little with the break balance
 
tribolik
I turn ABS of because I find it more fun to drive that way - and the deal with logitech pedals is that you have to fully break once or twice when you start the game and them it becames much easier not to lock the breaks - especially if you play a little with the break balance
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you can push the brake/gas pedal BEFORE the race start and you're all set :sly:
 
Grinding has been the most horrible part for me to get all the cars I want, the game for me is picking a car and testing on the ring. At first it was with ABS=1 and everything switched off and then I switched to ABS off. At first it was really difficult since I have the DFP and the brake pedal is so sensitive but I've got the hang of it and it's rewarding. I also noticed the car behaved differently, as if ABS=1 was acting like ASM, for example I tried to much the Zonda R time in real life and achieved 6:34 stock but with everything the car is so different I managed 6:42 and had to balance the accelerator with the brake to keep the car under control. Currently testing the LF-A and it's drift happy and a nightmare to control requiring so much concentration. Can be frustrating but in the end rewarding.
 
I turn ABS off in the cars that wouldn't have it in real life. When i started to play GT5 i used all cars with ABS off to get the feel for it and to learn pedal control (i'm using DFP).

Things tend to get more interesting when driving without ABS but i have slacked my standards as with ABS on driving is more relaxing. :)
 
I turn ABS off when I'm driving a race car, RM or a streetcar which doesn't have it in real-life. Otherwise, I keep it at one.

It was difficult at first, but some practice with the right analog stick (and setting the brake balance).
 
The cars with racing tire really doesn't need ABS since their threshold for lock up is really high once you tuned the bias and pressure right. The road cars I tend to stick with whats plausible in real world. Some cars I find it to be much easier to manipulate how the car turns in with the ABS off.

Laptime wise I don't find it to be that big of a help or hindrance on most cars. Though there are some cars that without ABS it is much more of a handful regardless of what setup change you do...

FYI though I do setup the car quite differently with or without ABS, especially on LSD setting.
 
Peter
In GT5, ABS sets how much tyre gip is used in braking, 10 the least, and 1 the most, right on the edge of locking up. GT5 hasn't really simulated ABS off very well, because the brakes are much to easy to lock up, and rather than maybe only 1 wheel locking up, they both will at the same time...
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Wrong, I've experience single-wheel lockup (front and back) many times.

I've been running without ABS since the start. Having the brake bias set F5 R2 (or R3 for stiffer/lower cars) helps a lot.
 
I have always set abs at one, except for NASCAR on ovals.

Having read these posts I will try experimenting; when I have set abs at zero I never played with brake bias and would lockup with only the slightest pressure on my G25 brake pedal.
 
same here, G25 & ABS = 0, means $500,000.00 Chassis repair at Turn 1, no thanks.

Can we set brake Bias on a G25 controller?

I hope the next patch updates ABS @0 to more realistic handling/application. Just try the Alfa Romeo special challenge wtih ABS@0, yeah , exactly
 
I use a DS3, and the game is impossible (for me) with ABS off. I always have it set to 1, but use no other driving aids.
 
Lambob
same here, G25 & ABS = 0, means $500,000.00 Chassis repair at Turn 1, no thanks.

Can we set brake Bias on a G25 controller?

I hope the next patch updates ABS @0 to more realistic handling/application. Just try the Alfa Romeo special challenge wtih ABS@0, yeah , exactly
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Go to the DFP setting in the steering wheel menu and assign some button to the RA Function.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=152920

I've assigned the left button on the steering wheel to be RA menu and assigned the D-pad on the shifter to scroll through and change the value.
 
I race with ABS off and brake with all three wheels including DFGT. I usuaally set my brake bias as high as possible in the front and my back 3-5 depending on the car.
 
Lambob
same here, G25 & ABS = 0, means $500,000.00 Chassis repair at Turn 1, no thanks.

Can we set brake Bias on a G25 controller?

I hope the next patch updates ABS @0 to more realistic handling/application. Just try the Alfa Romeo special challenge wtih ABS@0, yeah , exactly
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I did it! I adjusted the bias at the very start of the run (using the "RA menu"), before the first corner. I prefer racing with ABS off. I race online with ABS off, too - it's more fun for me, given the average online racer's skill. Racing cars really come alive with ABS off.

One problem with it, though, as is true in real life, is the trail braking performance. It's so hard to get it right in GT5 with no ABS, and certain cars seem to have their brakes on backwards - i.e. the front brakes on the rear and vice versa. Having to run a brake balance of 5 / 0 is frankly ridiculous!

In that sense, I'm often faster with ABS on 1 (depending on the car and circuit), just as I am with the sequential shifter and left-foot braking. That's how I have to resort to doing certain licenses and / or challenges, since the lack of ABS or the H-shifter are proving a major disadvantage. I prefer to not have to, though. :)

Once more for effect: Don't forget to adjust your brake bias if you run without ABS!
5 / 3 is my standard starting point.
 

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