Abs

[McClarenDesign]

I gently brush the brakes for turn 1. It's fast, and still keeps the car stable.

 

[JDMKING13]

I gently brush the brakes for turn 1. It's fast, and still keeps the car stable.

Coming off a second lap with traffic present that turn is very dangerous I just brake with care.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

No, I just prefer driving without ABS as the car feels much more alive. I'm not going to force people to not use aids. I except that some people like to use them and some people don't. Neither do I "refuse to race with any aids". As I just said I'm using ABS in the latest WRS TT.

Interestingly I never use ABS for Daytona Road Course, and for turn 1 at high speed I press the brake sharply and firmly. This usually makes sure that the front wheels lock first, so if anything goes wrong, at least you won't be sent spinning out, then I slowly ease off to about 25% braking power and then I quickly step off the pedal to avoid the rear wheels locking last when I accelerate out of the turn. The key to driving without ABS is to make sure that the front wheels lock first as this usually gives you more control over your car.

It's not that I can't get round the corner, I can do that fine. But on timed laps in a car that locks the inside wheel under any sort of trailbraking you can't stop in the same distance as if you have ABS on.

In some cars you can get round the turn as fast as with ABS as they don't lock the inside wheel. But with this car it isn't possible. 👍

 

[300SRT8Fan]

I set mine on 1, 0 makes it completely unrealistic. My brother has a car with no ABS, He was going 80 on the Texas highway, (he wasn't speeding) and some guy pulled out in front of him. Slam on brake, squeel, pretty big, but the car didn't spin wildly out of control, like in GT5 when you don't have ABS on.

 

[Sw3RvE]

ABS is not a driving aid. im pretty sure 99% of race cars are equipped with ABS now.


A 2003 Australian study found that ABS

Reduced the risk of multiple vehicle crashes by 18 percent
Reduced the risk of run-off-road crashes by 35 percent.

 

[Ross]

ABS is not a driving aid. im pretty sure 99% of race cars are equipped with ABS now.


A 2003 Australian study found that ABS

Reduced the risk of multiple vehicle crashes by 18 percent
Reduced the risk of run-off-road crashes by 35 percent.

F1 cars don't have ABS as of this season. That's why you see so many drivers lock up their wheels.

 

[MSTER232]

I set mine on 1, 0 makes it completely unrealistic. My brother has a car with no ABS, He was going 80 on the Texas highway, (he wasn't speeding) and some guy pulled out in front of him. Slam on brake, squeel, pretty big, but the car didn't spin wildly out of control, like in GT5 when you don't have ABS on.

It's because when you turn the ABS off, the rear brake bias is stronger. In order to make up for it, you need to play with the brake bias settings until it feels just right.

 

[JDMKING13]

It's because when you turn the ABS off, the rear brake bias is stronger. In order to make up for it, you need to play with the brake bias settings until it feels just right.

Or he has bad braking technique? He did not say what car he was driving so...

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

It's because when you turn the ABS off, the rear brake bias is stronger. In order to make up for it, you need to play with the brake bias settings until it feels just right.

That's a great insight into brake bias and its relation to other settings. I'll remember it!

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Or he has bad braking technique? He did not say what car he was driving so...

That's a big factor. Some cars are very difficult to drive without ABS and inevitably slower. Whereas in some easier cars you can keep on the pace as if you have ABS. 👍

 

[MSTER232]

Or he has bad braking technique? He did not say what car he was driving so...

It's not because he has bad braking technique, because it happens to me sometimes and I am a very experienced driver. And yes it can also depend on what car you're driving too. But no matter what car you drive without ABS, it's quite noticable that the car has a stronger rear brake bias even though stock brake bias for all cars in GT is 5/5.

 

[JDMKING13]

That's a big factor. Some cars are very difficult to drive without ABS and inevitably slower. Whereas in some easier cars you can keep on the pace as if you have ABS. 👍

Exactly. 👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

ABS is not a driving aid. im pretty sure 99% of race cars are equipped with ABS now.


A 2003 Australian study found that ABS

Reduced the risk of multiple vehicle crashes by 18 percent
Reduced the risk of run-off-road crashes by 35 percent.

ABS in GT5 is a misnomer, it should have been brake assist. In real life, ABS is a form of driving aid, much like ESP, EBD, TC, and many other electronic gadgetry to help "ordinary" driver to better control the car safely. ABS intervene in the event of brake lock ups to ensure minimal stopping distance.But apparently, the benefits of ABS have been debated in the past.

Risk compensation

Anti-lock brakes are the subject of some experiments centered around risk compensation theory, which asserts that drivers adapt to the safety benefit of ABS by driving more aggressively. In a Munich study, half a fleet of taxicabs were equipped with anti-lock brakes, while the other half had conventional brake systems. The crash rate was substantially the same for both types of cab, and Wilde concludes this was due to drivers of ABS-equipped cabs taking more risks, assuming that ABS would take care of them, while the non-ABS drivers drove more carefully since ABS would not be there to help in case of a dangerous situation. A similar study was carried out in Oslo, with similar results.

Source : http://www.drivingdynamics.info/good-reads/vehicle-safety-technology-is-it-worth-the-risk/

Read the article above, really good reading.

 

[MSTER232]

ABS in GT5 is a misnomer, it should have been brake assist. In real life, ABS is a form of driving aid, much like ESP, EBD, TC, and many other electronic gadgetry to help "ordinary" driver to better control the car safely. ABS intervene in the event of brake lock ups to ensure minimal stopping distance.But apparently, the benefits of ABS have been debated in the past.

Well many other GTP members believe that the ABS system on GT5 is unrealistic and therefore should be called brake assist. Even with ABS, the tyres will lock for a very short period of time (or so I was told) but ABS in GT5 elimates any locking of the brakes what so ever, making it unrealistic.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I recently got into driving without ABS and it is quite a challenge. It's especially difficult on certain corners, like those with negative camber, or downhill. It takes some getting used to but it's really revived the game for me and I urge anyone that hasn't given it a serious go, to put some time and effort into it, and you might find you enjoy the challenge.

One thing that helped me, and I don't remember who said this so forgive me, but someone mentioned that all cars come with a certain brake bias that we can't see, forget the 5/5 the car's come with and that a 0/0 brake balance simply means you can depress the pedals further before the full braking force of your given tire/car/track combination takes effect. The more brake balance you apply, front or back, the shorter the distance you depress the pedal for the full braking force to take effect.

What this means is at 0/0 you can press the brake pedal furthest to get the full brake effect of the inherent bias of any car/tire/track combination. At 1/0, the front brakes will reach their full force sooner than the back. At 3/0, the front brakes will reach their full force even sooner than the back, as far as the distance of the pedal being depressed goes.

If you count "0" BB as 1 and 1 as 2 etc. that would mean a BB of say 2/0 would in fact be 3/1 or about 75/25% a realistic brake balance. If this theory holds true then 5/1 would provide the same brake balance, 6/2 or 75/25% but the distance you depress the pedal to get full braking effect would be shorter.

It certainly seems that way to me. I generally use balances like 2/0, 4/1 on RWD and 4WD cars on Comfort/Sport tires, and 1/1 or 2/2 on some FWD cars with harder tires. When you get into higher numbers it seems like the pedal travel to lock up is very short.

 

[JDMKING13]

It's not because he has bad braking technique, because it happens to me sometimes and I am a very experienced driver. And yes it can also depend on what car you're driving too. But no matter what car you drive without ABS, it's quite noticable that the car has a stronger rear brake bias even though stock brake bias for all cars in GT is 5/5.

The default settings are just default settings they must be change. This is not the case though, he said he is having trouble with 1/0 BB. I have been driving with no ABS for a long time now, and I can tell you his post really leave a lot to desire. He does not tell us what car he is using and the turn he was braking for. Just as FordMK said each and every car has a different handling characteristics, making braking easy to extremely hard depending on the car. I can tell you in my league we have FIXED brake bias for every car. 4/2 being the highest for production cars, and 1-0 being the lowest. If he is having trouble braking with a 1-0 BB then something might be really wrong with his technique. Cars with 1-0 BB are cars I use for people who need to get use to NO ABS. It is very easy for them to brake because the brakes barely lock. I let new none abs drivers practice in Miata's 90' Honda's and other cars with 1/0 BB. I would really like to know what car was he driving.

@ Johnny, Yes sir! You got it buddy send me a Friend request so we can race online.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I recently got into driving without ABS and it is quite a challenge. It's especially difficult on certain corners, like those with negative camber, or downhill. It takes some getting used to but it's really revived the game for me and I urge anyone that hasn't given it a serious go, to put some time and effort into it, and you might find you enjoy the challenge.

One thing that helped me, and I don't remember who said this so forgive me, but someone mentioned that all cars come with a certain brake bias that we can't see, forget the 5/5 the car's come with and that a 0/0 brake balance simply means you can depress the pedals further before the full braking force of your given tire/car/track combination takes effect. The more brake balance you apply, front or back, the shorter the distance you depress the pedal for the full braking force to take effect.

What this means is at 0/0 you can press the brake pedal furthest to get the full brake effect of the inherent bias of any car/tire/track combination. At 1/0, the front brakes will reach their full force sooner than the back. At 3/0, the front brakes will reach their full force even sooner than the back, as far as the distance of the pedal being depressed goes.

If you count "0" BB as 1 and 1 as 2 etc. that would mean a BB of say 2/0 would in fact be 3/1 or about 75/25% a realistic brake balance. If this theory holds true then 5/1 would provide the same brake balance, 6/2 or 75/25% but the distance you depress the pedal to get full braking effect would be shorter.

It certainly seems that way to me. I generally use balances like 2/0, 4/1 on RWD and 4WD cars on Comfort/Sport tires, and 1/1 or 2/2 on some FWD cars with harder tires. When you get into higher numbers it seems like the pedal travel to lock up is very short.

I set my car with 8/6 BB, drove without brake assist, the brake locks up with more than 50% brake force, I think you are right, I did have the car BB at 7/5, at that setting, the brake locks up at around 60% brake force. I did experiment with 10/9 once, it locked at 30% ....

 

[JDMKING13]

I set my car with 8/6 BB, drove without brake assist, the brake locks up with more than 50% brake force, I think you are right, I did have the car BB at 7/5, at that setting, the brake locks up at around 60% brake force. I did experiment with 10/9 once, it locked at 30% ....

I will send you a friend request I want you to try out some of my brake settings are you a big fan of the Supra?

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Exactly. 👍

Yup. A car like the Camaro Z28 RM is very tricky to drive with ABS as it locks the inside wheel very, very easily, therefore you cannot trailbrake effectively. And someone with ABS will be a second a lap faster or so.

In cars like the Lotus Elise or Honda Civic etc. braking is very stable and they don't lock the inside wheel easily therefore you can easily keep up with someone using ABS. 👍

 

[MustangManiac]

Well many other GTP members believe that the ABS system on GT5 is unrealistic and therefore should be called brake assist. Even with ABS, the tyres will lock for a very short period of time (or so I was told) but ABS in GT5 elimates any locking of the brakes what so ever, making it unrealistic.

Not in my experience, I have easily locked up the brakes and slid sideways in an Audi TT in the license test with ABS set to 1.

 

[CarNut11]

ABS, when set anywhere over 4 or 5, will effectively reduce braking, as it 'tries' too hard to eradicate any lock. As it has been mentioned before, setting it to '1' almost completely prevents the brakes from locking.

 

[JDMKING13]

Not in my experience, I have easily locked up the brakes and slid sideways in an Audi TT in the license test with ABS set to 1.

In a straight line? I don't know about that. With ABS 1 you get no skid marks when braking hard, its like the system is working to good.

 

[MustangManiac]

In a straight line? I don't know about that. With ABS 1 you get no skid marks when braking hard, its like the system is working to good.

Starting in a straight line, slam on brakes, yank the wheel over and she slides sideways, easy as that. I just got the game a few months ago and when I did the license tests as long as I got a trophy I moved on. Just used it mainly to learn the physics of the game. Now when I get bored I go back and try to upgrade those I did not gold. I was doing it just last night, plenty of times. It is the middle test (length wise) 1000mtr I think with the Audi TT. You can put her in a slide as easy as can be with ABS at 1.

 

[jimftr]

ABS at 10 probably affects your handling more, though i only ever use 1, sometimes i don't use it when the room prohibits it, although either way i don't really mind.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I will send you a friend request I want you to try out some of my brake settings are you a big fan of the Supra?

Of course I like Supra, my user name signifies that , Let me know when you have a room open, I'll join in when I am online 👍

 

[OK8]

Not in my experience, I have easily locked up the brakes and slid sideways in an Audi TT in the license test with ABS set to 1.

Starting in a straight line, slam on brakes, yank the wheel over and she slides sideways, easy as that.

That's not locking up the brakes, that's incorrect braking technique.

Actually when you do this, you'll notice just how the ABS is awkwardly working behind the scenes to make the slide feel all weird. Try throwing the car in a slide and then applying full brakes. Compare between ABS 1 and ABS 0 and you'll see the difference.

 

[MSTER232]

That's not locking up the brakes, that's incorrect braking technique.

Actually when you do this, you'll notice just how the ABS is awkwardly working behind the scenes to make the slide feel all weird. Try throwing the car in a slide and then applying full brakes. Compare between ABS 1 and ABS 0 and you'll see the difference.

And that difference is the reason why I drift with ABS 0 now. Thank you for mentioning this.

 

[MustangManiac]

That's not locking up the brakes, that's incorrect braking technique.

Actually when you do this, you'll notice just how the ABS is awkwardly working behind the scenes to make the slide feel all weird. Try throwing the car in a slide and then applying full brakes. Compare between ABS 1 and ABS 0 and you'll see the difference.

No, it is not incorrect braking technique, I tried to lock them up and slide and it did. My response was to someone who said that it is impossible to do so in GT5 with ABS on, when clearly it is not. Now, if this is a successful way of achieving your desired results is another question all together, but the fact remains that you can indeed lock up the brakes in this game with ABS on.

 

[MSTER232]

No, it is not incorrect braking technique, I tried to lock them up and slide and it did. My response was to someone who said that it is impossible to do so in GT5 with ABS on, when clearly it is not. Now, if this is a successful way of achieving your desired results is another question all together, but the fact remains that you can indeed lock up the brakes in this game with ABS on.

The only time I've locked up with the ABS turned on is when I'm driving the Tank Car and I try to come to a complete stop will full brake pressure. It will lock up at around 20 mph or slower.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

No, it is not incorrect braking technique, I tried to lock them up and slide and it did. My response was to someone who said that it is impossible to do so in GT5 with ABS on, when clearly it is not. Now, if this is a successful way of achieving your desired results is another question all together, but the fact remains that you can indeed lock up the brakes in this game with ABS on.

That isn't locking though, that's just a slide. If you do the same without ABS you'll lock up and it's a totally different feeling. 👍