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MGmikeyT
Hello all,

I've searched and surprisingly i can't find any topics with ABS as the subject... Apologies if this has been discussed before (i'll be surprised if it hasn't).

Anyway, as someone who likes to play driving games with no assists (driving line at most) i'm surprised to see so many people using ABS setting of 1. I use a Fanatec CSR Elite with Elite pedals and although locking up is quite easy it does not seem unrealistic to the extent of increasing it to 1.

I suppose my question is, why do so many people use ABS? Is no ABS flawed on GT?

Regards,

Mike - Fresh & Clean Racing - f1wwr.webs.com
 
I think its just harder to modulate without some of the feedback you get with the real car, though I've always found you can do ok just from the sound and the wheel FFB. I usually do it as how real car would...if it has ABS I'd use it, if not then I won't. Interesting cars like the new crop of GT3 race cars usually have both TCS and ABS since they are designed to be driven by both pros and gentleman racers...in that case I do it depends on what I feel like...if I want less work load I'd use ABS...
 
Yes, certainly the FFB helps, i can feel when the tires stop rolling and lock. I have so far been reluctant to run ABS or TC even when the cars in real life would have them. That being said the Audi R18 TDI at Goodwood was tough. I researched that class and saw they have TC... But just golded it without TC before my patience ran out.

Many thanks for your input.
 
ABS 0 in GT5 and GT6 are very different animals. In GT5 it was the standard to run with ABS1 because it was so difficult to brake without locking up and spinning out using the DS3. I think many players are assuming it's the same in 6 as I did at first. GT6's ABS 0 is still difficult but not nearly as difficult as 5. I'm driving with all assists off now thanks to the change in ABS in GT6. In 5 I had to have ABS 1 but that was the only assist I used in that version.

Sark
 
Yep, the man above ^ knows whats up. So tired of my wheels locking because it was so twitchy in GT5, if your foot even thought about tapping the brakes, it would lock up. GT6 is not so bad, I mean unless you brake from 4th gear to a 1st gear hairpin turn 3 feet from the corner, then obviously it would be horrible.
 
Used to be for GT5, "borrowed" my friends G27 setup. I don't think he is getting that back anytime soon.
 
FCR Mikey
Hello all,

I've searched and surprisingly i can't find any topics with ABS as the subject... Apologies if this has been discussed before (i'll be surprised if it hasn't).

Anyway, as someone who likes to play driving games with no assists (driving line at most) i'm surprised to see so many people using ABS setting of 1. I use a Fanatec CSR Elite with Elite pedals and although locking up is quite easy it does not seem unrealistic to the extent of increasing it to 1.

I suppose my question is, why do so many people use ABS? Is no ABS flawed on GT?

Regards,

Mike - Fresh & Clean Racing - f1wwr.webs.com
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I've found a lot of people use their controllers like an on / off switch, so gradual control of the brakes is an impossibility
to them.. hence abs 1 is used.. lol
abs off is great, love the feedback through the pedal, also use the ds3 when lazy and the analogue stick works fine for me..
only draw back to abs 0, is when other drivers have abs, an rear end you on every corner you need to brake for..
 
andy0a
Yep, the man above ^ knows whats up. So tired of my wheels locking because it was so twitchy in GT5, if your foot even thought about tapping the brakes, it would lock up. GT6 is not so bad, I mean unless you brake from 4th gear to a 1st gear hairpin turn 3 feet from the corner, then obviously it would be horrible.
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you do know you could/can turn your brakes down and/or up, front or rear, to balance them, to stop the twitchiness?
 
Brake balance obviously, I know my tunes, but I was being sensational to get a point across lol.
 
jonjig
you do know you could/can turn your brakes down and/or up, front or rear, to balance them, to stop the twitchiness?
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This for sure, the even 50/50 split by default in GT5/6 is no where near how cars would actually be setup. You can do ABS=0 in GT5 without too much trouble if the bias is more realistically set...
 
Driving without ABS has improved. However, it does depend on the car. Some cars have really weird settings that are simply impossible to use (I'm looking at you Mercedes VGT). It doesn't help that the balance adjustment is bugged either.
 
I got 1:06s on Mercedes VGT time trial, stock, no ABS or other aids, brake balance set at 9/3. So far, ABS 0 is perfect for me, never use ABS or other aids since GT5 :D

If using stick, I would highly recommend DS2 stick from PS2 with USB adapter, use the face buttons for gas and brake, you won't regret it, much better than DS3 - DS2 face buttons needs 3 times more pressure to register 100% input compared to DS3.
 
Morphisor
Except, brake balance adjustment in time trials is impossible. Whatever you set it to, the braking power does not actually change. For some reason it only works when you change it while in a race event. See https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-brake-balance-setting-is-broken.292788/
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I don't know if brake balance is broken, never have issues when braking so far. Rarely have lock ups, even if I have, the front would have always locked first, and the rear always stay stable, which is why I thought my brake balance settings are fine :) I have been tuning-making replica at Willow Spring using test drive feature, and brake balance settings seems to be fine when I drove the cars hard.
 
Morphisor
Except, brake balance adjustment in time trials is impossible. Whatever you set it to, the braking power does not actually change. For some reason it only works when you change it while in a race event. See https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-brake-balance-setting-is-broken.292788/
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I've had a read of the thread but, again with everything else I've read and experienced I'm not sure if it's just the physics adjustment people are struggling with.. I was setting up the sls amg gt3 on stowe circuit, slamming on the brakes on back straight with no abs, seeing which brakes were locking on and then turning them down.. after adjustment I could slam on into corner at end of straight with no lock up.. was in free run and it worked.
weight distribution and suspension settings effect the braking, maybe people should start looking there?
 
jonjig
I've had a read of the thread but, again with everything else I've read and experienced I'm not sure if it's just the physics adjustment people are struggling with.. I was setting up the sls amg gt3 on stowe circuit, slamming on the brakes on back straight with no abs, seeing which brakes were locking on and then turning them down.. after adjustment I could slam on into corner at end of straight with no lock up.. was in free run and it worked.
weight distribution and suspension settings effect the braking, maybe people should start looking there?
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I brought it up because it is the exact expierence I've had so far. Changing my brake balance during the seasonal time trials yielded absolutely no effect whatsoever on locking up my brakes. Even on 1/1 balance the VGT would lock up instantly. Later entering a career race with the same car, balance adjustment DID work.
 
When I drove my VGT, I hardly have any lockup, I used around 50 to 60% brake force at most ( red bar on HUD ), I use less as the car goes slower. Never use full force - modulate the brake based on speed and corner.
 
Changing you brake balance to 1/1 and using instant full force is still going to lock wheels up..
Ridox has it spot on.
The controller is not an on/off switch.. learn to apply gradual pressure, the red bar to the left of the speedo shows how much force your applying, full force at any speed other than slow will lock you up.
 
Long time ABS0 driver here. I'm having a tough time with ABS0 and the racing brakes. Street cars are fine with no issues but some race cars have proved way too sensitive even at 1/0.

I'm finding threshold braking from high speeds quite tricky trying to find that sweet spot between lockup and effective modulated braking. DFGT with modded pedals is what I use. So far it's been kinda frustrating trying to adjust my muscle memory.
 
jonjig
Changing you brake balance to 1/1 and using instant full force is still going to lock wheels up..
Ridox has it spot on.
The controller is not an on/off switch.. learn to apply gradual pressure, the red bar to the left of the speedo shows how much force your applying, full force at any speed other than slow will lock you up.
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Your first sentence is very much untrue for a large majority of the cars in GT6. Most cars can brake full force with the default settings without locking up quickly. However, the fact is that some cars are MUCH more sensitive, and broken balance adjustment doesn't help with that. That was my point.
 
NCRthree
Long time ABS0 driver here. I'm having a tough time with ABS0 and the racing brakes. Street cars are fine with no issues but some race cars have proved way too sensitive even at 1/0.

I'm finding threshold braking from high speeds quite tricky trying to find that sweet spot between lockup and effective modulated braking. DFGT with modded pedals is what I use. So far it's been kinda frustrating trying to adjust my muscle memory.
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This is the key. There is a dramatic difference with ABS0 on standard street brakes vs. upgraded racing brakes. I tried a couple of street cars with racing brakes and it was GT5 like, locking easily with little pressure. Leave the original brakes on street cars and you can go up to 5+ on the front without even locking up until you are off balance or going slowly. Then you can set the rear brakes how you like depending on the track, drivetrain, your braking/driving style etc. I've several FR's around 7/2 and some FF's at 6/5 and the like.
 
Johnnypenso
This is the key. There is a dramatic difference with ABS0 on standard street brakes vs. upgraded racing brakes. I tried a couple of street cars with racing brakes and it was GT5 like, locking easily with little pressure. Leave the original brakes on street cars and you can go up to 5+ on the front without even locking up until you are off balance or going slowly. Then you can set the rear brakes how you like depending on the track, drivetrain, your braking/driving style etc. I've several FR's around 7/2 and some FF's at 6/5 and the like.
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Yeah, I've been leaving all cars stock for now and street cars with ABS0 is excellent in GT6. It's the some of the Race Cars that are giving me major issues. BB of 1/0 and locking up the fronts with maybe 1/4 pedal at most even at very high speeds.
 
I used to race with ABS 0 in GT5. Now I have it set to 1. Mainly becouse I've been too lasy to learn it over again (been a long time since I've played GT5) and I know I eventually will lock up and miss, and compared to the others online, I will wear tyre quicker overall. I havent had the game for too long, about 5-6 days(?) but yeah, maybe I'll get back to ABS off. For now, I keep it cool with ABS 1 and all aids off :)

Edit: Brake balance in GT5 was usually set to 5-3, abs 0 (started with lower like 3-1) BB now with ABS1 is usually 5-3 still.. But of course, it depend on the tune.
 
I run abs 1 because most of the cars i use in game have abs in real life, plus it's easy to lock up with the ds3 imo.
 
I've used ABS 0 for ages too and I'm a DS3 user. I agree with NCR and Jonnypenso have already said.

In GT5 I generally used a brake balance of 3/0 (4/1 for FF cars) and this worked well on the whole - the odd car needed a tweak here and there.

In GT6 I've found that I'm using 4/0 on standard brakes - sometimes 5/0.

I tried installing racing brakes on the Pontiac Firebird and even at 0/0 the wheels would lock up. This makes me wonder if the racing brakes are designed more for Wheel users with brake pedals (get those sponge balls out!!) where the sensitivity range is far wider than the sticks on a DS3. And as a DS3 user, I got used to modulating the brakes in GT5, but with racing brakes the tolerance is way too sensitive.

Or could the racing brakes make ABS 1 feel like ABS 0 for assist users perhaps? I didn't try them on ABS 1...

More testing is needed for sure - dread to think what racing brakes on the Cobra would be like!!:scared:
@NCRthree - it would make a Clean Run Challenge a very different event!!👍
 
Ok, it appears the solution for me was adding more pedal resistance. I'd tried one of the new BMW GT3 cars and I could not stop locking up even at 1/0. Turns out my foot couldn't get any sort of solid resistance to determine when to stop pushing down. Added some more resistance (sponge) and right away the problem was solved. So for DFGT's it just needs some more pedal reinforcement. Happy for now. Now to enjoy the new physics! ABS 0 FTW!
 

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