Acura TL vs BMW 330i

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Wolfe2x7
I honestly don't understand how people prefer FWD to RWD so strongly when it comes to snow and such... :confused: Having driven my parents' Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme in the winter two years ago ( :scared: ), and then my own car last winter ( :dopey: ), I definitely know which drivetrain I would trust in an emergency situation...

Well, for the average american driver, understeer is more easily corrected then oversteer. The funny part is, oversteer is more controllable then understeer, but most drivers don't have the patience to learn the skill. This is why so many cars are FF these days. Well that and the fact that they are cheaper to make. ;)
 
Swift
This is why so many cars are FF these days. Well that and the fact that they are cheaper to make. ;)

Dont forget the extra interior space.
 
Duke
Actually, the current A4 is getting pretty old in terms of engineering. Having driven them before we bought the TSX, I was highly underwhelmed by the A4, particularly the 1.8T which was gutless and buzzy. The 6-cylinder might be better, but I've not heard good things about it, though I admit I haven't driven one. The car felt very heavy - because it is very heavy - and the stiff suspension was did not help the handling that much, but did make for a somewhat annoying ride.

The interior was nice, but highly Germanic. That's not entirely a bad thing, but a little joy might have been nice.


Yeah the ride is ment to be somewhat hard to make the car "sporting" across the range however at 1400kg I wouldnt say the car is heavy. The 1.8T does do 40 Mpg whilst reaching 0-60 in 8.5 secs.But I thought they only sold 2.0t and the 3.2 in America? Generally in the UK the 1.8T or 2.0T is usually what the publications suggest to potential buyers.
 
I almost didn't reply, since I've weighed in on this kind of comparo before. But I have a few minutes so what the hey. From the Dept of the Completely Predicatable....

Value is in the eye of the beholder. If what you value is features, benign handling and neat gadgets, you can't really beat the TL. If what you value is driving dynamics, technical innovation and bank vault solidity, the BMW wins hands down.

The TL has several things on it's side; most of which looks better in a brochure. It is slight larger, comes better equipped for the same money and makes all of 3 more horsepower under the new SAE horsepower standard.

Let's look at each area:

Engine and Powertrain - 258 (TL) vs. 255 (330i). I'd call it a draw. The TL has a slightly beefier torque curve (230 vs. 220 ft lbs). The 330i's magnesium crankcase makes the engine much lighter. Advantage: Tie

Chassis and body - Both cars have stiff unit bodies. The BMW has lightweight alumium control arms, while the Acura mades due with steel. However, the TL can boast a front double-wishbone layout, while the BMW makes due with a simpler strut type front suspension. It seems a wash on paper. Both cars weight within 100 lbs. of each other, but the BMW simply handles better (read later in the post to find out why). Advantage: BMW

Braking - The BMW sports massive 13 inch front rotors vs. the Acura's 11.8 inch rotors. Moreover, the BMW is shod with 225 mm front tires while supporting 50% of the car's weight, while the Acura wears 235 mm width while supporting 60% of the car's weight. Even the TL's optional Brembo brakes are only 12.2 inches in diameter. Advantage: BMW

Interior/Exterior - Design is highly subjective, so again it's really whatever moves you. I personally think the TL's exterior styling is bland, but the interior is nicer than the BMW's. Advantage: Tie

Options and Features - This is where the TL runs away from the 330i. The car is feature complete at $35,000, which is the base price of the 330i. Load up the BMW to the same spec and you're talking $43,000. The cost savings in the TL is undeniable. Advantage: TL by a landslide.

So on paper, the TL is certainly a better value than the 330i. Until you start the engine and head down the road.

From my point of view, the BMW offers way more than just RWD. It's all the benefits that comes with the layout that actually matters. We'll start with accurate, linear, natural steering that's full of feedback. Then there's balance and poise at the limit which can only come from 50/50 weight distribution. And seperate from the layout, but intergral to the way BMW develops the chassis is that perfect compromise between ride and handling.

The BMW will connect you to the driving experience in a way the TL will not. Add mid-corner throttle on a car like the TL and you'll swing wide of the line while the steering wheel not only losses sensitivity but accuracy as well. Do the same in a balanced RWD car and you can control the attitude of the nose with the throttle. This is a night and day difference in driving experience. And no spec sheet can illustrate that.

The bottom for me? If you drive both cars back to back and don't feel or appreciate what the BMW does on a driving enjoyment level, save yourself 5-10k and go with the TL.


M
 
Thanks Mspec, that's the kind of discussion I wanted in this thread.

Bottom line for me? I'm a driving enthusiast, so I'd go for the BMW from a pure driving experience. The money is a major factor as BMW's are overpriced, ON PURPOSE. But they can get away with it. I just wish they didn't cost so much....:(

The balance of a BMW when pushed is too incredible. It's the most predictable car I've ever driven. It oversteers and understeers, but it let's you know BEFORE it starts. It's so intuitive.

I'd really like to drive the TL hard to see how it fairs. Especially since it got such a great skidpad and slalom rating from C & D.
 
Here's what I don't get. The TL has the second fastest 0-60 time, best skidpad and fastest lane change at 62.5 mile,everyones favorite interior and it's still came in fourth place in the mention C&D comparision. I guess I just don't know how to judge a car. :dopey:
 
Young_Warrior
Head says TL.
Heart says german car.

Either way if you have the money the wife wont complain so they go with the heart.

Wow, I think that's the smartest thing you've EVER said.
 
Swift, have you even consider the Lexus IS350? Look like a great car to me - but I don't know that much about it beside the fact that it has a strong V6 with a 6 speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters. It looks great though - probably even better in person. Despite the fact that it is pretty pricy...
 
rollazn
Swift, have you even consider the Lexus IS350? Look like a great car to me - but I don't know that much about it beside the fact that it has a strong V6 with a 6 speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters. It looks great though - probably even better in person. Despite the fact that it is pretty pricy...

Not a bad car. Just not my style at all really. I'd rather go for the more practical(TL) or the enthusiast(330i) car. Not the almost sports car looking thing. But that's just me.
 
I agree with Swift. The IS350 just doesn't know what it wants to be... :indiff: (@Swift: I would argue, though, that for an enthusiast's car, the 330i is very practical as well... ;) )

@///M-Spec: Excellent evaluation. :)

Swift
Well, for the average american driver, understeer is more easily corrected then oversteer. The funny part is, oversteer is more controllable then understeer, but most drivers don't have the patience to learn the skill. This is why so many cars are FF these days. Well that and the fact that they are cheaper to make. ;)

You're right, and I understand this :) , but I was responding to some of the comments here, by fellow enthusiasts... :confused:
 
Wolfe2x7
You're right, and I understand this :) , but I was responding to some of the comments here, by fellow enthusiasts... :confused:

Hmm...ok. I guess I missed that. But you talked about an oldsmobile you drove and said you'd rather drive a RWD car. That's what I was posting in reference to.
 
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