Adjustable brake spring G27

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hello, do not forget to tighten the center threaded rod until the brake is put down hard and squeezing his hand, no matter how hard it seems that this screw, you have to tighten the screw thoroughly, then go gradually loosening, to make it your own, greetings.
 
Review

I received the TSS brake mod a couple of days ago and got it fitted tonight. First impressions were good, it came well packaged with everything needed to install it (not including tools obviously) As with any G25/7 pedal mod great care needs to be taken when handling the stock wiring as the wires are very thin and easy to damage. The connectors pushed on and just needed a squeeze with the pliers to crimp them on tightly.

Before I go into how the pedals feel I will point out that I have come from stock G27 pedals, then G27 with nixim mod, then the AP Electrix load cell mod and now the TSS Hydro/pneumatic mod. The pedals are connected with a Bodnar cable giving 1024 steps.

The mod has adjustment of the initial hardness of the pedal by means of the black screw on the reservoir, tightening this pushes a piston inside which reduces the volume of air in the system (and thereby increases its pressure as it is a sealed system). At the hardest setting there is very little pedal travel and thus maximum pressure is reached very quickly when pressing the pedal. With the mod set at its softest there is the same amount of travel as a standard G27 pedal, it is necessary to wind the screw in slightly from here so that max pressure is reached before the pedal reaches the end of it mechanical travel otherwise it bottoms out and you still don't have 100% braking. I settled on about 25% hardness which is what was suggested in the installation guide.

At this setting the pedal feels a lot like that in a road car, it is relatively easy to press, has a decent amount of travel and reaches its maximum pressure at the end of this travel. After a few laps it is easy to gauge how hard you need to press the pedal to achieve the level of breaking you want. In terms of pedal feel at this setting it is very similar to the nixim mod, soft to begin with and only ramping up towards the very end of the pedal stroke.

Having come from the AP Electrix load cell mod I was however disappointed that the TSS mod's maximum pressure is quite low. It is too easy to max out the pedal. With the AP Electrix you have to press really hard to get maximum braking to the point that I actually had it short calibrated as I found that in race situations I wasn't always pressing it hard enough and was only achieving 80% of maximum. To me the AP Electrix really felt like a race car brake in that you could set it so you really had to give it some, a proper stomp on the pedal to get max braking. The TSS is much softer and more like family hatchback in the pedal feel.

Ideally I would like to have to press the pedal much harder to get 100% braking, with the mod as it is there are no settings that can do this. The limiting factor is the pressure sensor. I don't know what the rating on the sensor is but in my opinion it would be better with one of double the max pressure (ie if it is 50psi then it needs to be 100psi) That way the end user would have more control over the maximum pressure that can be applied to the pedal before 100% braking is reached, and if required then short calibrate it.

If you are coming from stock G27 pedals or nixim modded pedals then this is a great upgrade, the precision given by any pressure based mod is invaluable once you re learn how to brake (but this happens very quickly as pressure based pedals are very intuitive) If coming from an AP Electrix mod you may be a little underwhelmed, as I was for the aforementioned reasons. It is however a very good product and a superb piece of engineering, with a higher maximum pressure it would be perfect in my opinion. It will probably improve you're lap times and make it easier to be consistent in you're braking, as most pressure brake systems do, but if you are looking for a "race car" feel then it falls short.
 
I settled on about 25% hardness which is what was suggested in the installation guide.
Why you don't increase it to 50% rotation(180°)? maybe you would have more hardness! the guide says to set it between 90° and 270°!
 
hello, hardest springs have 200%, but did not include it, because for most it was too hard.
there are many people that the final model that you have find it very hard, so we had to do something versatile.
putting 100bar sensor no problem, but then many people would not reach 100% never even at 70%, and if we limit the voltage available to the regulation, we lose accuracy, because we would not have 0-5v., we would have 0 -3v.
if you want more spring DECREE hard and if you want 100bar sensor I can also send it, but it would take a month have to make it, the price of the sensor are 50EU. and spring 10eu., greetings.
 
Why you don't increase it to 50% rotation(180°)? maybe you would have more hardness! the guide says to set it between 90° and 270°!

Changing the rotation of the screw changes the initial feel of the pedal but does not change the pressure needed on the pedal to reach the maximum, the maximum is just reached sooner in the pedal stroke.

@alfp

I will give the mod some more time to evaluate whether I want the pedal harder and will get back to you. The product is still new to me so I will decide when I have done more laps with it if I want to change it or use as it is. :)
 
Having come from the AP Electrix load cell mod I was however disappointed that the TSS mod's maximum pressure is quite low. It is too easy to max out the pedal. With the AP Electrix you have to press really hard to get maximum braking to the point that I actually had it short calibrated as I found that in race situations I wasn't always pressing it hard enough and was only achieving 80% of maximum. To me the AP Electrix really felt like a race car brake in that you could set it so you really had to give it some, a proper stomp on the pedal to get max braking. The TSS is much softer and more like family hatchback in the pedal feel.
AP load cell calibrates just like pedal's Pot did. Instead of calibrating by the distance (something you had to do every time you load up GT5) it calibrated by the pressure. For example if you apply 20 lbs of pressure at first the game would read 100% braking until you applied 30 lbs then 20 lbs afterwards would read somewhere between 60-80% braking.
In another word AP load cell calibrated according to how hard an individual press the pedal up to a certain point. (there is a minimum and maximum reading)
 
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AP load cell calibrates just like pedal's Pot did. Instead of calibrating by the distance (something you had to do every time you load up GT5) it calibrated by the pressure. For example if you apply 20 lbs of pressure at first the game would read 100% braking until you applied 30 lbs then 20 lbs afterwards would read somewhere between 60-80% braking.
In another word AP load cell calibrated according to how hard an individual press the pedal up to a certain point. (there is a minimum and maximum reading)

I know this, I have one. However I don't play PS3 or GT5 anymore only PC race titles. On PC you calibrate once and save the settings so the pedal is calibrated identically each time you race.
 
I installed this mode today and I have to say that i like it! the material quality is very good and the installation is very easy!
For the calibration I have tighten the black screw to the max, then I loosened it, for my taste!
For now I'm using it without Leo-Bodnar cable that I should recieve this week and after 4-5 laps with rfactor 2 the sensation is very good!
After 2 year of APElettric load cell( great mode), finally I can feel the brake move like a real brake car and I can feel the progression of the brake pressure under my foot!
Actually, I already improved my lap times and with the upcoming Leo-Bodnar cabale and more practice and better calibration my feeling will improve a lot!
However, I would have preferred more hardness in the end of the brake travel and more hard spring !
My vote for now is 9/10 !
Ps: I have to say that the client service of this TSS team(Alfredo) is just fantastic and complete! every time I have contacted them, I have recieved a quick and
exhaustive answer!
 
hello again, I want to report that the second batch of Brake mod for the G27 will be available from next week, there are small developments, now supports the Play and Xbos, also have increased a little brake hardness (60bar), besides the inverted logic as the original, and I've also added a special nut for locking the position we have adjusted the mod, so it can not move without loosening the nut, also I have some more pressure sensor hard (80bar), for those who like intractable, but for me with this small increase (20%) and this oddball hard, well those interested you can make reservations here. http://www.totalspanishsimulator.com/wp/reservas/, greetings.
 
well, are now on sale the new brake mod is compatible with Xbos and Play, plus some more hardness (45kg.) thoroughly, against 37 of the above and also I've also added a lock nut adjusting screw and prevent loosening, that although it is easy to avoid, getting first M6 nut and then screw the adjustment screw and then tighten the nut, or a drop of Loctite (blue locttite), but still so it is easier.
adjust the new nut, then put the nut subject the asparagus with the allen key and squeeze the nut, and you can not move without releasing the nut, a greeting.
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