ADMIN / JORDAN : New thread on GT5 Marketplace [Asking for free stuff]

[goukipau]

Hello GTP admin / Jordan,

I come a lot on the site for years now, and recently some topics on the Gran Turismo 5 - Marketplace Forum caught my eyes: topics where members ask for freebies, or how some other users may call these threads: beggar threads.
Im personally awakened by these threads, because I think the marketplace is a place where people offer an item trying to get another item in return.

Im personally annoyed by these threads, because there are a lot of peoplewho think they can make a thread and tell lies about they have lost their data and ask for free items. Although that is kind of annoying, there are also people who (maybe) cannot do anything about it and still can recieve help from other members/users.
Seeing there were made quite a few lately, Im thinking of opening a thread on the marketplace for users, who would like to get free stuff from other members (without giving anything back for it).

Examples of these threads (to help you see in what kind of flame wars they can get):
example 1
example 2
example 3
example 4

The benefits of such a thread is:
- one central topic for free stuff asking (people can ask for freebies without getting flamed.)
- less moderator needed to correct members on the matter, in these asking- for-free-stuff topics.
- a topic where the forst post is making clear that people who ask for free stuff (because they lost data), to make backups of their savefiles.

We can solve this now, what do you think?

Gouki

 

[Grayfox]

While yes there are scammers out their that want free junk, not all are scammers.

I lost my GT5 game data(not save) which had my replay of me getting gold on Eiger on the grand tour with a controller after about 8 months of going at it.

When that happened I felt like I was back stabbed by the data corruption spy.

 

[goukipau]

While yes there are scammers out their that want free junk, not all are scammers.

I lost my GT5 game data(not save) which had my replay of me getting gold on Eiger on the grand tour with a controller after about 8 months of going at it.

When that happened I felt like I was back stabbed by the data corruption spy.

Im not saying all were scammers, did I? Or Im I reading your post wrong?
Im just wanting this thread, indeed for the people who are honoust and do lost stuff by accident, and to solve the flame wars. and to pick out the scammer more easy, in that new thread. Although I do not want to be that new thread to be a flame war! But that can be posted in the first topic, together with how to backup your data!

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

??? And how will a new thread separate honest people from the others?

 

[Roo]

At the end of the day, nobody's forcing you to give them anything. If you have your doubts, don't send. (Although TB wouldn't lie about something like this, or indeed anything else.)

A single thread of people asking for free things would just get too congested - it would be a nightmare trying to keep track of who wants what, and who's replying to which user. Having a seperate thread for each user keeps everything much tidier.

 

[boshuter]

??? And how will a new thread separate honest people from the others?

Exactly what I was thinking.

OP: how do these thread "awaken" you?

 

[goukipau]

??? And how will a new thread separate honest people from the others?

It doesnt, but that's not the main case here; the main case is to behold the marketplace forum from these free stuff threads in which people are getting a flame war (which is from my point of view rightly most of the time!) and that's what can be stopped by making one thread on it! Members, who are honoust but also scammer, who are making a separate thread can always be pointed at that new separate thread.

The case is: everybody can decide for their own, who is right or a scammer.
In my opinion all these threads are an overflow, because there is a thing called making a backup. If you are asking for free stuff, you are not on a marketplace anymore?!

 

[TB]

In my opinion all these threads are an overflow, because there is a thing called making a backup.

While I certainly won't speak for everyone, I had a backup when my hard drive failed but it didn't work. I stated that very clearly in my thread and also that no one was under any obligation to help me. There were a few that did help me get my garage going for which I am very grateful.

 

[Blitz24]

While I certainly won't speak for everyone, I had a backup when my hard drive failed but it didn't work. I stated that very clearly in my thread and also that no one was under any obligation to help me. There were a few that did help me get my garage going for which I am very grateful.

I tried to help ya TB but I'm still waiting on your reply and accepting the request.

 

[Nicksfix]

While I certainly won't speak for everyone, I had a backup when my hard drive failed but it didn't work. I stated that very clearly in my thread and also that no one was under any obligation to help me. There were a few that did help me get my garage going for which I am very grateful.

I will vouch for TB. He was on my friends list for quite some time, then all of a sudden ..... silence, no more action from him. If none one believes, they can visit TB's or my homepage and view the conversation between us about this.

As far as the other threads mentioned, I cannot say anything about them,but if there are such people out there doing this, well, it's just plain sad that people have to resort to such actions.

 

[SkierPS3]

I know this is a longshot idea, but perhaps a "Goodwill" board could be made?

 

[Mike Rotch]

Im personally annoyed by these threads, because there are a lot of peoplewho think they can make a thread and tell lies about they have lost their data.

On what basis do you think it is a lie when people say they lost their data?

If you don't agree with the threads, that is fine. Doesn't mean though that there is anything wrong with freebie threads that operate within AUP.

If people want to help others out, good on them. If it is a scam, what has anybody really lost, besides a trading slot?

 

[goukipau]

On what basis do you think it is a lie when people say they lost their data?

If you don't agree with the threads, that is fine. Doesn't mean though that there is anything wrong with freebie threads that operate within AUP.

If people want to help others out, good on them. If it is a scam, what has anybody really lost, besides a trading slot?

I personally think that people can lie / do not telling the thruth, if they:
- having a very low post count on these forums and asking in a new thread for free stuff.
- asking for certain cars with certain colors (for example car with DLC colors)
- giving a bad reason (bad reason = talking ********) and don't explain clearly what happened.
...or one of these above combined!

I know this is a longshot idea, but perhaps a "Goodwill" board could be made?

Such a small idea is a comparison with mine, yes. I will support this. I too think it's a longshot, but,we can discuss it here, and maybe we can get it.

While I certainly won't speak for everyone, I had a backup when my hard drive failed but it didn't work. I stated that very clearly in my thread and also that no one was under any obligation to help me. There were a few that did help me get my garage going for which I am very grateful.

Please do not get me wrong, Im not saying that you are wrong here, but in my opinion:
- Do explain in the first post what happened exactly (it helps a lot in the process for everybody to understand!)
- Do explain what you lost (what exactly!)
- If you got your stuff, tell the people to stop giving free stuff!!

You didnt lose a lot and people are still giving you stuff, I suggest you do something about that!

 

[Famine]

It's worth a note that the "Trading" notion is one dreamed up by GTP members. There is no "trade" function in the game, only a "gift" one. Personally I think that "trading" is a very clever, user-derived alternative use for the "gift" function, but it is still just a gifting mechanism.

I'll also note that I've offered pretty much anything I have up in trade for certain cars in the GTPremium forum, only for members to give them to me without wanting anything in return - and I've given to others on the same basis. It doesn't always have to be quid pro quo...


I have no issue with people asking for help or for things that they are unlikely to be able to reciprocate. If you do, don't help them - I don't get involved unless the person is already on my PSN Friends list (it's quite swollen, so I can't go adding many more) or someone significant to the site. And even then, I visit the Marketplace so little except to moderate it (a lot) that I wasn't aware TB had even posted in it...

 

[goukipau]

I have no issue with people asking for help or for things that they are unlikely to be able to reciprocate. If you do, don't help them - I don't get involved unless the person is already on my PSN Friends list (it's quite swollen, so I can't go adding many more) or someone significant to the site. And even then, I visit the Marketplace so little except to moderate it (a lot) that I wasn't aware TB had even posted in it...

Im regularly visiting the Marketplace forum,just to check and help people, not to trade, because Im quite done trading myself. But Im checking a lot of threads on daily basis to check whether people wont ask for car which aren't tradable and other things.

As I'm bumping into these threads as described above, Im just want to offer a solution, and discuss it here, as we are doing now.

 

[Famine]

If it isn't a problem, it doesn't need a solution. As my whole post explained, I don't see what the problem is.

 

[Blitz24]

Im regularly visiting the Marketplace forum,just to check and help people, not to trade, because Im quite done trading myself. But Im checking a lot of threads on daily basis to check whether people wont ask for car which aren't tradable and other things.

As I'm bumping into these threads as described above, Im just want to offer a solution, and discuss it here, as we are doing now.

It sounds like you are trying to be the marketplace forum police. As Famine and other moderators explained well, the system works currently as well as it can. What will the new thread accomplish? People will still create 20-30 threads a day asking for free stuff (as people still see no need to use the search tab or read the AUP) so all this will do is create more work for the mods in keeping the marketplace in order.

 

[goukipau]

It sounds like you are trying to be the marketplace forum police. As Famine and other moderators explained well, the system works currently as well as it can. What will the new thread accomplish? People will still create 20-30 threads a day asking for free stuff (as people still see no need to use the search tab or read the AUP) so all this will do is create more work for the mods in keeping the marketplace in order.

What you like to call police, is what I like to call helping. I like these forums,most of the time. Im just thinking what we can do with threads in which people ask free stuff.

I don't see what the problem is.

what a shame...

 

[Nismo GTi]

I personally think that people can lie / do not telling the thruth, if they:
- having a very low post count on these forums and asking in a new thread for free stuff.

I`m sorry, but this remark has really annoyed me, as it`s so short sighted! (this is not a personal attack, so my apologies if it comes across as such).

So you`re saying that just because someone has a low post count & posts in the trading section about losing save data, they`re lying?

Let me give you a hypothetical situation & see if your post count argument still holds water.

James & Paul are psn friends, James is a member of GTP, with around 100-200 posts, Paul isn`t on GTP & has never heard of it.

James & Paul have been meeting in each others lobbys for ages & are around the same in game level, Paul has lots of high end cars in his garage, mostly LMPs & TCs, James has mostly GTrs, lambos audis etc. in his.

Then one day, DISASTER! Paul suffers file corruption & loses his entire garage!

Obviously, upon hearing the news, James gifts Paul the cars they shared (which isn`t many), but also directs his friend to the GTP trade section, where many others in Pauls position have posted, trying to rebuild their garages.

So, Paul sets up an account @ GTP & goes straight to the trade section & his 1st post is something like:

Hi, I`m Paul, last night I suffered a file corruption & lost my entire garage.
I am at lever 30, so had a few cars in there.
can anyone send me the following cars?
.....
.....
.....
.....
Thanks.

Now, going by goukipaus `rules`, Paul will get no help whatsoever & everyone will be accusing him of being a scammer.

Is this fair?

I think not.

I`m sorry, but goukipaus short-sightedness has really pee`d me off.

 

[goukipau]

So you`re saying that just because someone has a low post count & posts in the trading section about losing save data, they`re lying?

read it again:I personally think that people can lie / do not telling the thruth, if they....

That means they don't nessecarily have to be scammers / I do not have to find them directly scammers, but someone with a post count of 3, and not a good story in the first post, asking for free stuff here on the marketplace to start with, isnt very clever is he?!!

Oh and by the way:

Then one day, DISASTER! Paul suffers file corruption & loses his entire garage!

Paul must first learn how to make a backup. Its easy to do. I know it made you mad, but im very curious how people lose their savefile, in my opinion its just sloppy!!!

 

[Nismo GTi]

Oh and by the way:

Paul must first learn how to make a backup. Its easy to do. I know it made you mad, but im very curious how people lose their savefile, in my opinion its just sloppy!!!

Err... what about TBs situation?
His back-up was screwed too, so my point still stands.

I hope you understand where I`m coming from though, as yes, there are the `undesirables` out there, but your method `tars everyone with the same brush`, which unfairly groups Paul in with them.

As I`m currently on the naughty list, I`m not risking annoying the mods again by taking this argument any further, as 1 wrong word & I`m gone.

So my postings on here will now only be questions, I will no longer reply to anything or put forward my opinions, for fear of inadvertantly `crossing the line`.

 

[Energizerrr]

I disagree.

Many people have experienced this, and many people need help...however - example #1 is the only real example of obvious scam is obvious.


I myself just read the posts, don't make assumptions just read the post, and if they seem genuine then I try to help out.

 

[goukipau]

Err... what about TBs situation?
His back-up was screwed too, so my point still stands.

I hope you understand where I`m coming from though, as yes, there are the `undesirables` out there, but your method `tars everyone with the same brush`, which unfairly groups Paul in with them.

So my postings on here will now only be questions, I will no longer reply to anything or put forward my opinions, for fear of inadvertantly `crossing the line`.

No my method doesn't 'tars everyone with the same brush, because it's personal on what you can think of who are scammer and who aren't. I can personally choose whether to help a member or noton this forum.

I personally think it's a funny example, but I'm not easy to convince and you should read the post of mine again very careful, on what my opinion is. (read: with a good story in the first post you can convince a lot of people, incl. goukipau )
Its very hard to convince me on the internet. But I like a fair discussion on a forum, but I hate sloppyness of people!

My advice in this case to you is to read what people say carefully (don't take this as an insult, but as a tip!) and do not give your personal idea over this person on this forum.

 

[Nismo GTi]

and do not give your personal idea over this person on this forum.

I know you`re from the netherlands, so your english may not be 100%, but I honestly do not understand what that is meant to mean.

It`s probably not your intention, but it reads as an insult that my opinion is worthless & yours is the accepted way of things.

As I see it, you are saying "don`t try & outsmart me on this forum".

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you have used the wrong words to convey your point, but that truly does seem like an insult that`s been thrown at me.

 

[JimmyJames10]

This is off the topic question but could one of the administrators and moderators investigate the thread named "I can give away cars that over 1 million". It is very messy. Sorry for the interupption but I posted in this thread because it was concerning the marketplace.

 

[NLxAROSA]

The benefits of such a thread is:
- one central topic for free stuff asking (people can ask for freebies without getting flamed.)
- less moderator needed to correct members on the matter, in these asking- for-free-stuff topics.
- a topic where the forst post is making clear that people who ask for free stuff (because they lost data), to make backups of their savefiles.

1. People WILL get flamed , regardless of where they post. A central topic will not solve this.
2. There is not less moderator action required, in fact it will require more, because you rely on the poster to put in the the right place (which they don't).
3. A topic (FAQ) which explains how to make a backup would be an addition, however the thread you are suggesting is not the proper place for it, since its usefulness goes beyond just the marketplace.

IMO, the whole thing is a non-issue. Besides the fact that a fixed place for these requests will require extra moderation instead of reducing it, nobody is forcing you to read and/or respond to them.

Also, unless you can prove someone is lying, I think accusing them of lying is going a step too far. As for sloppiness: unless you are Mr. Perfection who never makes a mistake, I feel you should refrain from demanding people to be punished (twice!) for making a mistake (forgetting a backup). Stuff happens.

If you get annoyed by a thread: ignore it. If it's very likely someone is scamming: report it.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If you want to draw the moderators' attention to a thread or post that you think needs their attention, you should use the Report Post function. It's the little yellow triangle with an exclamation mark in it next to the multi-quote and quote buttons in the bottom right-hand corner of every post. Using the Report Post function will send an e-mail to every moderator and administrator. If the Report Post functon is not working, then you should contact a moderator or an administrator (but not a Staff Emeritus - we don't have moderator powers) via private message.

What you should not do is create an thread (or a post within an existing thread) to get the attention of the moderators. All you are going to do is complicate matters, particularly if the person who created the offending post or thread sees it.

 

[Villain]

goukipau, I sincerely think your heart is in the right place, but honestly this isn't a problem. There's no harm in anyone asking for free stuff even if they don't need it. No one is obligated to gift anyone anything. People are choosing to give away freebies on their own accord.

If it irks you so badly, why not take a vacation from that section of the forum? GTPlanet has a lot more to offer than just the GT section(s).