All Wheel Drive Tuning...

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Alright, I am not sure if the moderator's will approve of this thread, but I am hoping people who know how to tune AWD cars in GT4...Could possibly post what to do and how to. I've been TS and Swift's Guide for Drifting. Doesn't really mention anything about the AWD Tuning and techniques. I've tuned AWD Cars, but I made them handle like FR Cars :sick: It's sad but, I got an AWD Car to go side ways. Haha, any ways, if you would like to reply or something, and tell us at GTP how to tune AWD Cars or any good techniques that work for you. Go ahead...no vulgar / bad language please.
 
AWD will never handle like an FR or MR. If you're looking for some magical setting that will make your AWD handle like an FR, you won't find any. You said not all the settings work for you, but I'm assuming some of them did. Mimic the general tuning idea behind the settings that did work for you with other AWD cars. Sometimes they work, sometimes they dont. Drifters have personal preferences, you can't expect everyones style of tuning to fit your style of drifting.
 
i know DT_C, but i'm just asking around. Not most of the settings worked for me...And i know, they don't and never feel like FR or MR cars...but in a little way, it did, not the best. still understeer, just not a whole lot...I still got some awd cars to drift. some of my methods work for diff cars, but not all of them
 
Kaizen, I don't get the setup the guy did...with high low...problem - oversteer, FR? FF? I don't get it, mind explaining it to me in a PM
 
Just remember to tune each setting one at a time and do a couple of laps to see how you like it..

Start with the Full Custom Lsd set on 30/50/30 front and rear.. where it says Low or High adjust that setting by 10 and slightly, adjust by 5

ie.. entering med/high-speed corners:
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Problem: Understeer
Solution:
Front Initial: low <---reduce by 10 clicks
Front Accel: --
Front Decel: low
Rear Initial: slightly low <---reduce by 5 clicks
Rear Accel: --
Rear Decel: slightly low


Remember: One setting at a time. Baby steps. Fine Tune.. if 10 clicks works try 20.. too tight now? start reducing.. Generally on 4WDs the front settings are lower than the rears

On one of my 4WDs I have settings, roughly, that are 5/10/5 up front and 25/50/15 in the rear

You'll get there. In my opinion tuning the LSD on 4WD is much better that suspension tuning..


oops.. I posted half of this in quick post then edited it.. :dopey: :dunce:
 
Try this for simplicity:

Semi stiff front and soft rear suspension, stock lsd and vcd for '4wd' feel. Soft front LSD and stiff rear LSD (at least init and accel) can help with push, but I never got very convincing results by tuning LSDs to the extreme personally.

Try adding weight to the rear if you're having a hard time turning in/lifting off.
 
I was messing around with tuning an AWD and was getting frustrated at the understeer. I tried suspension settings and LSD settings (all i had at the moment were for 2 EVOs) and when I put N3s up front and N1s in the rear of my Mazda6 I was getting squirrely practicing some feint manuevers off of the straight at Suzuka East (where I always tune for drift). Now I need to mess with the gears as it handles like a FR much of the time. But I say tire combos make a difference but it's dependent on your settings. I have yet to look at any guides for tuning.
 
okay...practice makes perfect correct? I was just messing around gt4...and i was looking for a diff. color s13...and i found a '00 Subaru STi wagon prodrive i think it's called...and it's a wagon :D ...so i put a VCD on...tuned the lsd, made the rear a lil more than the front...decel is decent...put some weight on back...and it's nice, still a lil understeer (more like a lot) but it goes side ways. if any one wants...i'll post some settings here and u can try it out and tell me if its bad or should i tune it more / differently...gotta run guys later
 
The main problem with 4WD is traction, the way power is going down to the wheels. So, for me, mixing tyres AND tuning the LSD had a more pronounced effect than any other settings. Except, of course, ballast and ASM..

If your getting way too frustrated and just love the look of the car and therefore want to drive it, set ASM understeer to around 5..

But that's a last resort for me, not even an option really..


There's more satisfaction in tuning..
 
Jspec014
Okay I'll try that, but what's "semi stiff" mean? exactly?
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Springs 9-13, shocks 6-8 is "semi stiff" in my book. For starters, I tend to set the damper bound to about half of my spring rates, rounded up (just for easy of use, I guess :P).. and the rebound slightly higher.
 
o0o0 okay, gotcha, but if you do suspension stiff in front...won't that mean that it will understeer more? cause i made my suspension hard in back and it oversteer a lil bit more than it should
 
Without mixing tires, I've never come across a car that was more oversteery with stiffer rear :S
 
alright...I'm pretty sure i have found good settings for the Sti Wagon...but can any one tell me this...If i tap e - brake a little, then the car really whips the back out more, and if i counter too much, the car spins...my lsd is sorta low in the front and sorta high in back (front, init. 18, accel 28, decel, 13, Rear, inti. 22, accel 48, decel, 16) and then since i learned throttle control a while back, i tap the throttle slowly throug the drift...does any one know any thing wrong with this?
 
KaiZen
The main problem with 4WD is traction, the way power is going down to the wheels. So, for me, mixing tyres AND tuning the LSD had a more pronounced effect than any other settings. Except, of course, ballast and ASM..

If your getting way too frustrated and just love the look of the car and therefore want to drive it, set ASM understeer to around 5..

But that's a last resort for me, not even an option really..


There's more satisfaction in tuning..
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When I was messing with the Mazda6 I thought that 4WD was gonna be a hassle to tune, but ****, I didn't think is was gonna be that difficult. And to take something so simple as a tire combo (f-N3, r-N1) to make it possible to get the rear end out was a relief (I know of and did this before I entered this thread). To mention turning on a driving aid :scared: I say pass. The ballast is one I haven't touched yet, might have to give that a shot.

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dropzone
When I was messing with the Mazda6 I thought that 4WD was gonna be a hassle to tune, but ****, I didn't think is was gonna be that difficult. And to take something so simple as a tire combo (f-N3, r-N1) to make it possible to get the rear end out was a relief (I know of and did this before I entered this thread). To mention turning on a driving aid :scared: I say pass. The ballast is one I haven't touched yet, might have to give that a shot.

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I also did a tire combo myself. I put n2's in front and n1's in back...i haven't tried n3's in front yet though...but my car wants to really whip it's self, every time i accel and hold it too much, keep tapping, and / or if i e - brake ( i hate e - brake a lot)
 
try raising the rear decel. it reduces snap oversteer..

though you do say that you learned throttle control, I assume this to be under accelleration?.. another reason for snap oversteer lies in the way you come off the throttle. try rolling off the throttle rather than just completely letting go..

hope that helps.. unless I imsunderstood the question ;) 👍
 
I thought that with AWD cars you'd have to be on the gas the whole time and its based on steering control, but "feathering" the throttle can work too. -To Jspec014: Since you tried a STi I picked one up myself to try, IMPREZA Sport Wagon STi '00. Maybe the same one you chose but you mixed the names of two Imprezas. Anyways, I used the same setup off of my Mazda6 and the reactions were similar, and I found myself starting do go sideways using full throttle in 2nd gear (64 MPH redlining)! I didn't leave 2nd gear when I took the pics and I didn't mess with gear ratios yet but I will. The turbo is stage 2 on the STi. I'll just post my setup here, I think some of it is extreme or raw but anyways:

Dropzone's Start Up AWD Tuning (raw)
Spring rate F/R: 6.0 / 4.0
Ride Height F/R: Lowest/Lowest
Shock Bound F/R: 8 / 5
Shock Rebound F/R: 8 /5
Camber F/R: 3.0 / 1.5
Toe F/R: 0 / 0
Stabilizers F/R: 1 / 1

Tires F/R: N2 / N1 *tire combos vary, maybe N3 / N1 or N3 / N2

Driving Aids: ALL OFF

LSD
Initial F/R: 5 / 60
Acceleration F/R: 5 / 60
Deceleration F/R: 5 / 5

VCD: 10


a few pics of quick trial in STi (I'm at Suzuka East too much)
 
dropzone
I thought that with AWD cars you'd have to be on the gas the whole time and its based on steering control, but "feathering" the throttle can work too.
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It just depends on power really. In my R32 S-Tune on N3/N2 with 466HP I only use about a quarter throttle to drift around the double hairpin at the end of Grand Valley and when going through the two tunnels in the mid section, from the right to left into the first tunnel to exiting the second tunnel.

Going up the hill after the first hairpin into the long right, I roll off to about half throttle for the snap oversteer and get a nice angle through that corner. When show drifting I'll completely lift for a larger angle..


NOTE: All corners are drifted and throttle application does depend on setup, especially gear ratio's, including Final Gear. 2nd gear goes upto 125km/h and Final Gear is set to about 4.4 to spread the power band (not literally in terms of the power curve, but that's what it feels like).

Unlike some, I don't believe in the "Tranny Trick" because I've found that adjusting the final gear has helped with "controlling" tyre slippage through corners. I like to manually adjust all gears and always have second gear to hit around 120km/h and then adjust the final gear depending on how "fast" the revs rise..



As I've stated many times already, it's my fave car at the moment, it's a fun drifter that needs Chassis Stiffening (Rollcage) in order to make it drift.. and once I've fine tuned it to my satisfaction I'll post some settings..

:sly:
 
dropzone
I thought that with AWD cars you'd have to be on the gas the whole time and its based on steering control, but "feathering" the throttle can work too. -To Jspec014: Since you tried a STi I picked one up myself to try, IMPREZA Sport Wagon STi '00. Maybe the same one you chose but you mixed the names of two Imprezas. Anyways, I used the same setup off of my Mazda6 and the reactions were similar, and I found myself starting do go sideways using full throttle in 2nd gear (64 MPH redlining)! I didn't leave 2nd gear when I took the pics and I didn't mess with gear ratios yet but I will. The turbo is stage 2 on the STi. I'll just post my setup here, I think some of it is extreme or raw but anyways:

Dropzone's Start Up AWD Tuning (raw)
Spring rate F/R: 6.0 / 4.0
Ride Height F/R: Lowest/Lowest
Shock Bound F/R: 8 / 5
Shock Rebound F/R: 8 /5
Camber F/R: 3.0 / 1.5
Toe F/R: 0 / 0
Stabilizers F/R: 1 / 1

Tires F/R: N2 / N1 *tire combos vary, maybe N3 / N1 or N3 / N2

Driving Aids: ALL OFF

LSD
Initial F/R: 5 / 60
Acceleration F/R: 5 / 60
Deceleration F/R: 5 / 5

VCD: 10


a few pics of quick trial in STi (I'm at Suzuka East too much)
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Yeahh man, that's the Wagon!! But most of my setup is completely diff than your's. I didn't slam my ride height, because i've been noticing in stock cars, that if you leave the height stock, and say you brake and faint drift, it's putting more weight in the front if you brake, and then if you enter a left and then right corner (like in trial mountain after the finish line) those 2 corners, the snap back on some cars is good, but if you lower the height, you need to raise it back up because the suspension is going to be a lil stiff (i'm not sure you know what i'm saying, but i can't explain it diferently yet) (gimme a day or two ) soo yeah, i'll try what you said
 
It's not the settings you guys should worry about. it's the change in drive style. AWD requires more of a harder inertia movement to get the 4 wheels spinning into a drift; try putting more power into the vehicle. i drift AWD with around 400-450 hp and i don't have trouble breaking traction.
 
ForcedInduction
It's not the settings you guys should worry about. it's the change in drive style. AWD requires more of a harder inertia movement to get the 4 wheels spinning into a drift; try putting more power into the vehicle. i drift AWD with around 400-450 hp and i don't have trouble breaking traction.
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Try drifting a Nismo R32 with whatever settings you like. Then try it after adding a Rollcage and let me know what you think..
 
KaiZen
Try drifting a Nismo R32 with whatever settings you like. Then try it after adding a Rollcage and let me know what you think..
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I've been drifting AWD since gt3, and ONLY AWD.

what i meant to say was, settings DO matter, but not to a point where you need specific EXACT settings to drift. Setting is just preference. If you all compare settings, you'll find that even the best drifters may have completely different settings from yours.

By the way, wtf is rollcage? Are you talking about the thing in weight reduction? the stiffness thing? i have that on all my cars.
 
ForcedInduction
By the way, wtf is rollcage? the stiffness thing? i have that on all my cars.
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Yes the Rollcage is the Chassis Stiffening.. alot of people don't buy it for fear of getting alittle too much understeer and as 4WDs will tend to understeer more than oversteer (unless the car has electronic aids such as the Skylines or Evo's) people have been leaving it out.

In all honesty it doesn't matter how long you've been drifting 4WDs, as I've been doing it since GT1 days and believe me I HAVE seen your work (Hot stuff by the way), but the fact is the physics for 4WDs is very different and at times unrealistic in GT4, so alot of people are having understeer problems. Any tips or ideas are gonna help because everyone chooses to tune their cars differently. And, that IS the point of this thread isn't it? To find help or help others figure out ways to make their 4WD drivable.. 💡

So, if you say that you have bought the Chassis Stiffening for all your 4WDs my theory may be correct. Maybe 4WD's DO need the chassis stiffening in order to make them more drift friendly. :D


Like alot of people I stayed away from buying the chassis stiffening, but now have been turned. How about a little experiment?

Why don't you try buying a Nismo R32, or a cheaper 4WD if you don't have alot of money, and without the Chassis Stiffening try to drift it. All settings aside, as I agree with you that it comes down to personal preference, just buy tyres (mix if you like) and turn off all driving aids. Then buy the Chassis Stiffening and see for yourself the difference it makes.

Come see what it's like on the other side of the fence and let me know what you think.. ;)
 
alright get this...I bought a lan evo III (the black one with the small kind of head lights, big wing, aero kit, white rims) and i tuned that....and the over steer is incredible...first try too...it spins out though...i guess put the rear lsd too high...any suggestions?
 

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