All Wheel Drive Tuning...

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KaiZen
Yes the Rollcage is the Chassis Stiffening.. alot of people don't buy it for fear of getting alittle too much understeer and as 4WDs will tend to understeer more than oversteer (unless the car has electronic aids such as the Skylines or Evo's) people have been leaving it out.

In all honesty it doesn't matter how long you've been drifting 4WDs, as I've been doing it since GT1 days and believe me I HAVE seen your work (Hot stuff by the way), but the fact is the physics for 4WDs is very different and at times unrealistic in GT4, so alot of people are having understeer problems. Any tips or ideas are gonna help because everyone chooses to tune their cars differently. And, that IS the point of this thread isn't it? To find help or help others figure out ways to make their 4WD drivable.. 💡

So, if you say that you have bought the Chassis Stiffening for all your 4WDs my theory may be correct. Maybe 4WD's DO need the chassis stiffening in order to make them more drift friendly. :D.
Like alot of people I stayed away from buying the chassis stiffening, but now have been turned. How about a little experiment?

Why don't you try buying a Nismo R32, or a cheaper 4WD if you don't have alot of money, and without the Chassis Stiffening try to drift it. All settings aside, as I agree with you that it comes down to personal preference, just buy tyres (mix if you like) and turn off all driving aids. Then buy the Chassis Stiffening and see for yourself the difference it makes.

Come see what it's like on the other side of the fence and let me know what you think.. ;)
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yes i agree. chasis stiffening made it much more easier to weight transfer. But here's my theory.


I have 3 cars. Spec C sti, evo8, r34.

my best drifter is a r34, and yes it does have chasis stiffening. it does not understeer, and infact, it drives very easily.

however, my evo8 and sti do understeer. even with mixed tires and chasis stiffening. These cars from my experience have understeering problems and thus no setting will better the understeer.

is cases like these, i've learned to change my driving style because the settings will not help me at all.


Your idea on settings will help a great deal of people, but i just wanted to point out that not all cars will perform without understeer with chasis stiffening. nothing against ya.
 
ForcedInduction
I have 3 cars. Spec C sti, evo8, r34.

my best drifter is a r34, and yes it does have chasis stiffening. it does not understeer, and infact, it drives very easily.

however, my evo8 and sti do understeer. even with mixed tires and chasis stiffening. These cars from my experience have understeering problems and thus no setting will better the understeer.

is cases like these, i've learned to change my driving style because the settings will not help me at all.

Your idea on settings will help a great deal of people, but i just wanted to point out that not all cars will perform without understeer with chasis stiffening. nothing against ya.
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Firstly, I don't get offended easily, so don't worry. Forum's are made to share opinions and if someone doesn't agree, **** 'EM!!.. hahaha :scared:

Anyways.. you're right in that sometimes, no matter what you do, you just can't get a car to handle the way you want so it just comes down to adapting to it's characteristics in order to be fast or have sideways fun with it.

Now, you say you have an EVO8 and SPEC-C STI that seem to have understeer problems. Did you try them without the Chassis Stiffening (I found out last night exactly what it's called - INCREASE RIGIDITY - LOL)??

Looks like I may need to add them to my list of DO NOT INCREASE RIGIDITY CARS..

I know people are going to start saying that they can drift these cars quite easily, but I want to tune them when they're at their best and not still rough around the edges, so that I don't have to do anything extreme to the settings to make it fun.

I like my cars to be fun and fairly easy to drive so that when my friends are over they don't have to spend hours trying to adapt in order to make racing/drifting fun..

It's just easier that way when you're trying to spread the love.. :dopey:
 
I've yet to drive the EVO in GT4.
One of the things that I have noted from GT3 that works well in GT4 with AWD cars is Cranking the Initial on the LSD up to 25-30, and Cranking the accel and decel down to about 10 or even 5, on each setting.
It's a funky setting, but it worked so well on the "stock" Lancer rally cars in GT3, that I started using it on some of my "wilder" handling AWDs and it worked. I've carried it over from GT3, and have had fairly good results with it.
I may also adjust how much power is actually getting to the front wheels if I'm looking for near FR handling.
For off road purposes, I've found that a near 50/50 front/rear torque bias can be quite entertaining if you don't get too deep into the throttle.
KaiZen's settings look a lot like some I used to use in GT2 with AWD cars (they were so much easier to drive well in GT2). And he seems to be a fairly astute tuner.
I'd be willing to bet that you'll find something that works for you somewhere between our settings.

You also have to take into account that some of us like our cars set up with very little or no body roll. That has a tendency to make the cars rather "twitchy", Some of us like to err on the side of more body roll as it tends to make a twitchy car more stable.
 
for me, 4wd's is just...use the weight of the car. Feint the basterd and you'll be 90 degrees, and of course due to the heavyness of the car and the traction(Which i love) It's very hard to spin out if you have full counter steer and throttle control. this is stock btw...As for settings...To me, the most important part were the brakes. I put 24 on the front and 1 on the rear. When you brake into a turn it transfer 80-90% of the weight onto the front tires, making it hard to turn(Not really actually) but it makes ur rear lighter so it's easier to swing into the turn. I got an amazing R34 set up that even a newbie drifter could drift.

Opps, i forgot the tires...just just comfort or economy, or mix it up. =P For stock, just use comfort.
 
I conducted a few tests today with my Impreza Rally Car ('01 or Prototype, they look much the same) and found it to be able not to drift perfectly but to drift and be fast simultaneously. The track on which I drove was the Infineon Raceway. I wonder if anyone else has given this car a try...
 
Sorry every one...My PC Desktop that I was using is totally messed up. I had to reboot it several times because it either had a lot of viruses, or it just had too many files and stuff...I'm really ticked too...I haven't visited GTP in 3 days or so. Very mad...If any one needs to ask me something...send me something in a PM cause I can check it on my sis laptop. Later...And Member...Keep it side ways :)
 
Holy Crap!! Ifound GT-R 34 Drift Settings...My lsd is low in front..but it kind of helps with understeer...It's the perfect settings for me!! I can post the settings up on Wednesday or Thrusday...It's madd nice people I'm telling you. And it's white with Gold Spoke rims :lol: mann it's nice...I gotta run later people.
 
TRi's formula for awd:
max power!
n2s up front
n1s in back
2-way or full lsd(10-40-20 both)
racing susp. tighter rear than front
vcd

pretty much from there the only thing i adjust is the vcd. if the front isn't pulling enough, bring it up. if the front is pulling too much bring it down. usually its between 25-35. sometimes i'll do 10 to have fun with.
 
TRi
TRi's formula for awd:
max power!
n2s up front
n1s in back
2-way or full lsd(10-40-20 both)
racing susp. tighter rear than front
vcd

pretty much from there the only thing i adjust is the vcd. if the front isn't pulling enough, bring it up. if the front is pulling too much bring it down. usually its between 25-35. sometimes i'll do 10 to have fun with.
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same here...in fact i use ur s-tune settings except i only use around 450-500hp and i tweaked the camber just a touch. imo, awd isnt all that diffucult to drift, it just takes some time to get a good setup and feinting and e-braking.
 
no, don't use vcd...it actually doesn't help the car...Buy a full lsd...and then put power to about 400-550 hp...Trust me on this. Then put lsd in front at about 12-15-9 and rear lsd at 22-49-18...i did that or close to that on my r34...and i will post the settings for it by tonight or tommorow...
 
Haha...Okay TRi...Alright, I made a new account for GTP...I had some d!ckWhads IMing me on AIM, and blocked them, and they got my e-mail and stuff...Pretty sure they don't know this site though...ANYWAYS...iJDM14 is me so I just made a new account ::
 
Jspec014
no, don't use vcd...it actually doesn't help the car...Buy a full lsd...and then put power to about 400-550 hp...Trust me on this. Then put lsd in front at about 12-15-9 and rear lsd at 22-49-18...i did that or close to that on my r34...and i will post the settings for it by tonight or tommorow...
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hrm, im confuzzled....u asked for help, we give it...u turn around and tell us not to do that and to do something different. everyone has there own style and how they like to setup their cars.
 
venomGT4
hrm, im confuzzled....u asked for help, we give it...u turn around and tell us not to do that and to do something different. everyone has there own style and how they like to setup their cars.
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Dude i wanted to make this thread for people who needed help with AWD cars not just for me
 
Nissan Skyline GT - R V - spec N1 (R34) '99 490 - 500 HP

Parts to buy:
Racing Exhaust
Sports Chip
N2 Tires
Stage 2 Turbine Kit
Racing Intercooler
Racing Brakes
Racing Suspension
Full Customize Transmission
Triple - Plate Clutch
Racing Flywheel
Carbon Driveshaft
Full Customize LSD
Chassis Refresh

Mods:

Suspension:
Spring Rate - 9.0 - 8.0
Ride Height - 98 - 98
Shock (Bound) - 5 - 5
Shock (Rebound) - 5 - 5
Camber Angle - 3.0 - 1.5
Toe Angle - 0 - 0
Stabilizers - 3 - 3

Transmission:
Auto Set 9

LSD
Initial Torque - 13 - 21
Acceleration - 17 - 45
Deceleration - 11 - 16

All AIDS at Zero

This car almost feels like FR...I seem to have found good settings for it. The drift this takes is feint, brake, and some e - brake ( it depends on the situation ) PM me or AIM me if you have any questions...
 
Mazda MX - 5 Miata 1800 RS ( J ) '04 267 HP (It's new from the Mazda Dealer)

Parts to buy:
Oil Change
N / A Stage 3 Tuning
N2 Tires
Racing Brakes
Racing Suspension
Full Customize Transmission
Triple - Plate Clutch
Racing Flywheel
Carbon Driveshaft
Full Customize LSD
Port Polish

Mods:
Suspension:
Spring Rate - 6.6 - 5.4
Ride Height - 90 - 90
Shock (Bound) - 8 - 8
Shock (Rebound) - 8 - 8
Camber Angle - 3.0 - 1.5
Toe Angle - 0 - 0
Stabilizers - 4 - 4

Transmission:
Auto Set 9

LSD:
15
25
12

All AIDS at Zero

**This car is easy to drift, I brake drift with it, I tried power - over...It doesn't work a lot for me...It should work with any of your techniques :)
 
...so I tried a little bit of awd drifting for (almost) the first time, and it was damn hard :dunce:

I'm pretty adamant on using my 22B STi for my first proper AWD drifter, but I ran into a few probs (trying to learn this now): With equal tires I find it hard to get and maintain angle. The car may drive beautifully on the verge of oversteer when gripping, but once I flick it sideways I lose A LOT of speed trying to keep it at an angle (lots of e-brake involved).

Now, trying N2/N1 paints a whole different picture. Now my biggest problem is I can't REDUCE my angle..... what gives? Countersteering will actually increase my angle now, as will power-on, power-off, braking, turning in... LSD can probably help rectify this to an extent, but anyone else had this? Thought I'd ask for pointers here since this thread may have gotten some attention from the AWD'ers ;)

This is actually the first time I've tried mixing tires.. but from what I heard so far it's the 'best' way for some AWDs in GT4-- Now if I could only make countersteering work like it's supposed to :(
 
maybe you are not on the gas or braking when countersteering? i'll do that to get LOTS of angle. you pretty much have to be on the gas when countersteering to reduce angle. at least i do...
 

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