Alonso-gate opens?

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Even if I partially agree with you, I can't help but spot a hint of racism xenophobia there, relationing my Spanish heritage with speaking garbage. And then, all of us are monsters because a couple retards called Hamilton "Negro".

That was a lucid comment, pal.

Oh no no, I don't think you speak garbage at all. Rather, if it were acceptable for anyone to behave the way mustang245 does when defending Alonso, it would be a Spaniard such as yourself, displaying national pride. No jab meant at you. :)
 
^I think he was talking of patriotism.

Spanish patriotism is a delicate topic to talk of, really. We came out from a dictatorship where the reminiscence of Nazism was still strong not so long ago, so forgive me in advance if it pisses me off lightly.

Anyway, moving back to the topic. I'd rather see Alonso stick to Renault and try to pull a 2005'er again, rather than risking his career AGAIN for a better team.

Oh no no, I don't think you speak garbage at all. Rather, if it were acceptable for anyone to behave the way mustang245 does when defending Alonso, it would be a Spaniard such as yourself, displaying national pride. No jab meant at you.

*Phew*

It's okay, but jsyk - Half Spain loves Alonso, the other half hates him. It comes to be like politics... Half republican, half monarchist. We're stupid like that. :D
 
If anyone 'retired' MSC, it's Kimi Räikkönen. I'm sure MSC did not retire because he couldn't beat Alonso. I think MSC just didn't like the idea to have Räikkönen in the same team. And I'm sure MSC did also not retire because he felt too old. Just look what he is does now: motorbike racing...

Whatever makes you sleep well at night...:)
 
I follow Alonso whatever he drives. Now I hate Ferrari just slightly less than McLaren! LDM stated he wants 2 'equal' drivers... who was MSC's 'equal' counterpart? Whatever... Fernando Alonso shall have his revenge. And screw equality, it's such politically correct BS. A talent like Alonso's deserves to be showcased. I personally, for one, hope Renault can pull their collective heads from their asses and deliver Nando a real car. I'd also like to take the opportunity to point out McLaren's lapse in performance which directly coincides with Fernando's departure. 'Speed merchant' indeed... Hamilton is suffering for lack of Nando's setup skills. Alonso 'retired' MSC, he'll do the same favor for Iceman once he gets another fast car. Revenge...

Is Kimi supposed to sit on his hands as Fernando ElSonso whines his way to the number one spot?

Ferrari may be hypocritical, but they're right...they CAN'T sign him!

And one more thing: A real number one driver doesn't need to be treated like one to show it.
 
Doesn't matter to me whose car he drives should Renault (favored) not get it together. Or what driver he needs to step over to get what he needs. As the sports' original 'super-rookie' he's shown that he can beat anyone and he has lived up to his own hype. Enjoy my new avatar, it speaks for itself. I don't apologise for his behavior, I embrace it...
 
I suppose BMW would be the next available, provided that they don't win this year...

That's the spirit... Heidfeld needs to step it up a little. However, I've the feeling Renault will be seeking revenge also. What better time to do so than right now while they still have the Spaniard. My curiosity is peaked with last weeks performance in testing by Alonso. I do hope Renault will rediscover their prior form as Flavio &Co. know how to treat a world champion. Let's enjoy F1's return to Europe gentlemen. I think most of us here are guilty of loving this grand sport, some more than others...👍
 
mustang245
I'd also like to take the opportunity to point out McLaren's lapse in performance which directly coincides with Fernando's departure.
Almost too easy: I'd also like to take the opportunity to point out Renault's lapse in performance which directly coincides with Fernando's arrival.

mustang245
LDM stated he wants 2 'equal' drivers... who was MSC's 'equal' counterpart?
That was Jean Todt's doing, not LDMs. Besides, Schumacher wasn't one who strolled around team meetings acting like he owned the place, regardless of if he was treated as he did. Alonso did, and continues to, act as such The fact that he still acts as if he has the clout to do so back at Renault shows that he at least never learned anything last year.

As the sports' original 'super-rookie' he's shown that he can beat anyone and he has lived up to his own hype.
I'd say 2 or 3 other drivers have proven to be better at doing this than Alonso ever has or ever will, and a couple of them did it before Alonso did.




Anyways, this is really easily the best decision. Renault struggles for a year, and he essentially threatens that he will jump ship. After essentially being thrown out by McLaren for essentially the same problem, I doubt you will have too much of a future in the sport if you start betraying the team that graciously allowed you to come back in the first place.
Furthermore, Alonso has already proven that treating teammates as his equal when they easily are is far beyond his own abilities, so its not like a Alonso/Kimi team would have ever worked.
 
Almost too easy: I'd also like to take the opportunity to point out Renault's lapse in performance which directly coincides with Fernando's arrival.

Would be easier if they didn't suck as much last year ;)
 
Seems like ElSonso expected Ferrari to show some gratitude by signing him for taking McLaren out of contention last year. But even they know this guy's a cancer. If I were any team director, I wouldn't touch this guy with a 10 ft pole.
 
As the sports' original 'super-rookie'

What? He was classified 23rd in the championship and had a best finish of 10th, and that was in a race where only 10 drivers finished.

But then I wouldn’t be surprised if you didn’t even know what team he spent his rookie season with, let alone how well he did, considering the rest of the ignorance you seem to display.
 
If Alonso ever joins Ferrari - I'm finding another favorite team (after 20+ years should I say)
 
I on't think you need to worry too much. If Kimi Raikkonen continues the way he has been, he'll stay with the team for a while. And with an influx of new talent and Ferrari's comments that they wouldn't take Alonso, chances are that when Massa's seat up - assuming he isn't offered a drive - someone else will take the spot. By the time that opens up again, Alonso is likely to be in the twilight of his career, or not far from it. There will be other faster and younger drivers there. And as long as the current Powers That Be stay in power at Ferrari, I doubt their approach to him will change any time soon.
 
Doesn't matter to me whose car he drives should Renault (favored) not get it together. Or what driver he needs to step over to get what he needs. As the sports' original 'super-rookie' he's shown that he can beat anyone and he has lived up to his own hype. Enjoy my new avatar, it speaks for itself. I don't apologise for his behavior, I embrace it...

Super-rookie? What did he do that Hamilton didn't do? (Sorry, I know you meant ORIGINAL super-rookie, but I never followed Alonso's rookie season so i have no idea how good/crap it was, frankly i never cared because he is the biggest jerk in the F1 field).
 
Super-rookie? What did he do that Hamilton didn't do? (Sorry, I know you meant ORIGINAL super-rookie, but I never followed Alonso's rookie season so i have no idea how good/crap it was, frankly i never cared because he is the biggest jerk in the F1 field).
I think mustang245 just swallowed more than he can chew.... ;)

Alonso started F1 just like any other rookie in F1 in a team that is not even competitive in the field. He started his first F1 race with Minardi in 2001 alongside Tarso Marques and has outperformed him for most of the season. He then became test driver for Renault in 2002. In 2003, he replaced Button in the team and Jarno Trulli was his teammate. In short, he was just another driver. Not amazing, nor fast, but very consistent. He manage to win 2 WDC not only for his consistency, but because Renault we're technologically advanced during the time.......

As much as I'm a fan of Alonso, I can't really say I liked his attitude. Sure he does nag and complain a lot, but if he does his job well, then I guess its just a part of him I guess........

As for the super-rookie thing, there is NONE! Alonso was never a super-rookie, not even Hamilton can be considered super-rookie. Yeah, he did finish 2nd in the WDC in his rookie season, but in what team again? McLaren? Yeah....... nobody could be an excellent rookie no matter how good they are. If Hamilton was driving in a team similar to the other rookies, he would be just on par with some of them, even getting beaten by the other rookies......
 
Good point about Hamilton being on a good teram, always forget that point (I'm a Hamilton fan). But yes, Alonso's attitude is disgusting. Most hated F1 driver in the field by the press and fans.
 
Woo! Good times! But seriously, how do you gents really feel about the youngest F1 Champion of all time? LOL. Or did I just make that up? And back to back? I suppose that was all luck... no matter, plenty of room in Alonso's fan club. Wouldn't it be boring if we were all in agreement? Thanks for the roasting! *hehe* BTW, Did anyone notice 'Roo' never said a word? Good times!
 
Woo! Good times! But seriously, how do you gents really feel about the youngest F1 Champion of all time? LOL. Or did I just make that up? And back to back? I suppose that was all luck... no matter, plenty of room in Alonso's fan club. Wouldn't it be boring if we were all in agreement? Thanks for the roasting! *hehe* BTW, Did anyone notice 'Roo' never said a word? Good times!

Read my statement again.... :rolleyes:

He manage to win 2 WDC not only for his consistency, but because Renault we're technologically advanced during the time.......
It was because of Renault. Renault at that time had the best car package of any team during that year. They got the best launch control system, the best traction control system, the best handling car of any team on the grid (might I say, Ferrari was really lacking during that time....) and most of all, Michelin tires were far better suited for Renault than the Bridgestone tires on the Ferrari. So doesn't that tell you that its not 100% (or even 50% at that!) the driver that makes a world champion. The car has to be the big contributor to a world champion. You look at any world champion and just say "they are good" but without a good machine, those drivers are nothing!!!! You don't see anyone going to win the World Drivers Championship with a team like Minardi or Super Aguri (if all the teams had the same machine, the bigger budget team will always be better......)

Alonso has these ideas about joining a better team because he needs a good machine to win him another WDC. But Alonso has to complain about his teammates, crew, and/or team for his underachieving performance. He got used to driving for such a good team he doesn't even know how an actual racing car feels like anymore. I bet if Hamilton had to drive for a middle class team or that his team's performance is deteriorating, he would bitch and moan as well.......

:grumpy:
 
MUZZY- touché! I did know that... but it works the other way around as well. As good as F1 cars are they need a better than average driver to get to the podium. Don't be angry, I respect your opinion.
 
MUZZY- touché! I did know that... but it works the other way around as well. As good as F1 cars are they need a better than average driver to get to the podium. Don't be angry, I respect your opinion.

Okay, but enough about the Alonso thing already! Do you have to mentioned him every single time? Even if I liked Alonso a lot, I would not defend him like you do a few posts back, very bad indeed. 👎 At least I have the knowledge about F1 to know what he was like...... I agree with your comment though, a good F1 driver can drive a less-than-average F1 cars into the points. But there are a big difference between these two. A good driver can get the car into the points/podium but a good car with a driver can get it into the points/podium and even a win! 👍
 
Alonso is a whinger. He complains about his car sucking etc. which some other drivers do, but at least when they do it they are more reserved and don't criticise the team, they simply acknowledge their car is not the best. But when Alonso does it, he threatens to jump ship, complains about the car openly, and at times criticising the team. Yes I understand that he does not have the best car and it shows, but being a 2 time world champion he should be able to just suck it up and drive the car like a 2 time world champion - that is, to the very best of his abilities. Many drivers walk away from F1 without a single race win, and yet Alonso has back to back world championships. He should be grateful to Renault for all they have done for him, but NO, he constantly complains and complains.

If I owned an F1 team, I wouldn't ever go near Alonso. He destroys chemistry within the team and even betrays his team (Spy-gate anyone?) just to prove he will do anything to get his way.
 
Disclaimer: This isn't a blind-support post. This is a post against blind idioticy.

He manage to win 2 WDC not only for his consistency, but because Renault we're technologically advanced during the time.......

I disagree. Admittedly, the Renault was more reliable than the McLaren in 2005, but it wasn't like Ferrari's domination-days. Kimi and Schumacher won many races in their respective seasons, and challenged hard. The two were equally able to win had the McLaren been as reliable as it was fast, and had Schumacher's car not failed twice in the final leg.

Yes, Renault may have had the best launch-control - but Ferrari had a more powerful car and a tight aero-package in the second half while Renault lost their Tuned Mass Dampers. A real car-based domination would've been 2004, or 2002. Even a drunk pet hamster could win the championship in the Ferraris of those vintages.

Nobody says Schumacher "only won because he had the faster car" - even though it did have a superior car: He had a car that won almost every single race. But he still beat the living daylights out of Barrichello (no doubt, being a definite #1 helped both him and Alonso) - twice Rubens' points in 2002, and almost 50% more in 2004 - which, incidentally, is almost the same as the margins between Alonso and Fisico, as Alonso scored over twice the points Fisico did in both 2005 and 2006.

He started his first F1 race with Minardi in 2001 alongside Tarso Marques and has outperformed him for most of the season.

He fought hard chasing Fisichella's Renault. Back in 2001. In a Minardi.



*cough*

If anything, then it's definite proof of some rather remarkable driving compared to Fisichella, in what is unarguably the worst car on the grid.
 
Alonso is definetely one of the best drivers of the modern years (post-2000). His drive at first laps of Hungaroring in 2006 proved that.
 
A fine post (#55) Metar. Yours too MustangSVT. Alonso hopes to put on a "beautiful show" at Barcelona, we'll see. I've seen rain in the forecast...
 
Alonso is a whinger. He complains about his car sucking etc. which some other drivers do, but at least when they do it they are more reserved and don't criticise the team, they simply acknowledge their car is not the best. But when Alonso does it, he threatens to jump ship, complains about the car openly, and at times criticising the team. Yes I understand that he does not have the best car and it shows, but being a 2 time world champion he should be able to just suck it up and drive the car like a 2 time world champion - that is, to the very best of his abilities. Many drivers walk away from F1 without a single race win, and yet Alonso has back to back world championships. He should be grateful to Renault for all they have done for him, but NO, he constantly complains and complains.

If I owned an F1 team, I wouldn't ever go near Alonso. He destroys chemistry within the team and even betrays his team (Spy-gate anyone?) just to prove he will do anything to get his way.

I wanted to highlight the best parts of this post, but I would've bolded the whole paragraph.

QFMFT.
 
Disclaimer: This isn't a blind-support post. This is a post against blind idioticy.

Metar.... sorry for the post, but I was trying to point something out to mustang245 (no offense) and make a statement, but somehow got backfired when there are older people like you that came along. Great......

I agree with what you said and I am a blind fool saying what I said. Oh what am I saying! I'm just a kid..... :guilty:
 
Essential Sports
Fernando Alonso says he will make a decision on his long-term future in Formula One after the Italian Grand Prix in September.

"I think (I will make the decision) after the summer when all this period of races, then the break and then Belgium and Monza are over," the Spaniard said at the British Grand Prix on Friday.

"They are very important races for us to try to get this fourth position in the Constructors' Championship.

"And after that will be time to think about what the possibilities are for next year."

Double world champion Alonso, who joined Renault from McLaren at the end of the previous campaign, has so far endured a poor season, with the team currently seventh in the Constructors' Championship.

Honda have openly expressed an interest should Alonso decide to leave the French team while Renault-powered Red Bull, currently outperforming their engine providers, are also watching with interest.

Honda, Red Bull? I think he would be better off staying at Renault at least one more year. Though Honda could finally pull themselves together next year. But with next year's whole different car thing, Renault has the potential to do a U-turn as well.
 
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