Alpine Make Race Problems

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Hi guys,

So I won the Alpine car from the Opera Easy race and decided to try out the Alpine one make race.

Wow, I can't control this thing for the life of me. Barely touching the brake on my DFP spins it out of control, or steering anywhere past 100 degrees makes it spin out too. I've tried all the anti-oversteer settings to the extreme (on a 1-pt apec race too!) and just cannot seem to get this silly car under control. It doesn't seem to be that amazing of a car, but at 50% game completion it's so far been the hardest for me to get a handle on.

Annoyingly, B-spec wins each race by 30 seconds or so.

Any ideas on what I can try to make this RR car something that can be handled?
 
I used my DS2 on this race and had little problem beating the pants off the competition.
I had the car up to 175 HP, short gearing, and I qualified for each of the races that I won.
I did lose at Opera. But it was in a direction I'm not familiar with, and I didn't qualify.
Set the springs Heavier in the back, lighter in front.
Remember with a car that of that vintage with the motor in back, lifting off the accelerator will whip the rear end around (lift throttle oversteer).
Good luck with this.
 
Oh yeah, another thing is splurge and get the full race suspension.
Then set the springs heavier in the back and lighter in the front.
like 6.0/9.0
Just don't go too much more than a spread of 3 from front to rear.
Drive for smoothness, not for balls to the wall speed. The smoother you drive the faster you'll be overall.
 
Won this weekend without problems. Quoting from memory:

Springs: f8/ r 11 (or 9/12): RR car: all weight is on the back
Elevation: same level f and r: 5 to 10 mm from minimum
Bound: f4 or 5 / r 6
Rebound: f 5 or 6 / r 7or 8
Camber: 2,0f / 1,0 r (try perhaps 1,5)
Toe: f0 / r 1 or 2 (to stabilise the car) (if necessary, try also f1 to stabilize the car)
stabilizers: 3/3
Braking: 14f / 12r
LSD: (you absolutely need this to handle the car): initial: 15 / Accel 40 / Decel 20
(Increasing the first two values will resolve the oversteering problem)
TCS: 2
Driving aids: off

And most of all: be carefull with your trottle and braking: if you are a trail-braker: soften braking values.

Let me know whether it works.

By the way: 1) A RR car needs a special way of driving it, in which you push the car slightly oversteeiring through the corner with a perfect trottle control; 2) I found out that the A310 need;s very little steering input: don't turn like if it was a Lancer; the A310 seems to turn on itself
 
Maxed it out this weekend (306hp / 650 kg) and put a wing on it.

Tried this (close to the previous) and it worked good:

Tyres: C2/ C2
Springs: f7/r10
ride height: 82/82
Bound: f4/r6
Rebound: r5/r7
Camber: f2,5/r1,0
Toe: f0/r2
Stabiliser: f3/r4
Downforce: f30/r30
LSD: 10/40/20
TCS: 3 (other ass. OFF)
Gearbox:
1: 2,914
2: 2,027
3: 1,706
4: 1,385
5: 1,098
6: 0,861
Final : 3,200 (Midfield - adjust for other tracks)
Auto: 12

What a great car! I thought I was driving a RUF RGT!

Let me know what you think about it.
 
The car is super back-heavy. Put a bunch of ballast all the way in the front. That will immediately solve 80% of the problem. The the rest is suspension. Make the springs something like f8/r12 and it will solve it.

It's a fun car to drive once you tune it. That cup BTW is obviously a "tuning challenge", intentionally put in by PD. To see if you can set-up a car that obviously is nearly undriveable without tuning.
 
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The car is super back-heavy. Put a bunch of ballast all the way in the front. That will immediately solve 80% of the problem. The the rest is suspension. Make the springs something like f8/r12 and it will solve it.

It's a fun car to drive once you tune it. That cup BTW is obviously a "tuning challenge", intentionally put in by PD. To see if you can set-up a car that obviously is nearly undriveable without tuning.
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For the ballast, I don't think so: it will just make the car slower. Polyphony had an idea, but they realized it only half the way. Ballast has only a sense if there is a minumum weight for the races. In that cas putting the ballast in the right place is a good idea. But when there's no minimum weight, ballast will only slow down your car. To make the ballast usefull, they should have included "minimum weight" races, what they didn't do, as far as I know.

By the way, the real world race Alpines, were heavy at the rear and very light in the front (on man could easily lift up the front of the car!). Light front, heavy back, with RR is a typical racecar conception of the sixties (see also the Porsche 911, the Simca Rally). My conclusion: to put ballast in the front would be "heretic". Take the car like it is (with a good setup) and enjoy it. It's one of the funniest in the GT cycle.

I don't think it's an intended tuning challenge: real world Alpines from the '70 really behaved like that. I looked at some of my replays in GT4 and what I see is what I saw in the seventies on television: a superbly drifting car. With this car, drifting won't slow you down: you have to do it if you want to be fast.
 
thanks, the car seems to be at least driveable now. It really helped putting all the weight in the front, and even though it still wants to slide around the track, its a lot easier to handle.
 
i hated this car at first, but now i love it....try these settings

Suspension:
6.3/15
lowest ride height
3/7
3/7
3.2/2.4
no toe
3/7 stabilizer

brakes 12/3

LSD setting: all on 60

no weight balance

no driving aids at all!!!

i dont like the way the wing looks so i dont use one, and the back end is very loose at high speed because of it. if you put a wing on, just put 30 rear and leave the front at 0 to help keep the back end down.

when you first turn in, the back end will come out slightly, but then it stays at one angle throughout the turn, you can floor it even if you like.

this car is great fun!!!
 
Quick cure for those who can't be bothered:

Sports suspension - cures the tendency to crab everywhere, without all that tedious mucking about with settings.
Sports brakes - Duh.
Semi-Racing exhaust - Kicks the power-to-weight high enough so it's not AS disadvantaged next to the A110s.
Sports soft tyres.
Nitrous if you fancy it.
ASM off totally. TCS off or set to 1 "just in case".

Go win!
 
After driving a few races in the alpine cup with the settings suggested by Pontiac on 3/21 I have to dub the a310 "Drifterrific!" All you driftaholics need to try this car!!!
 

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