Am I the only one?!

[machschnel]

"Built not bought"

Funnily enough, we all "bought" Gran Turismo 5, even you, Mr Builder.

 

[Jyazz21]

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[Duke of Pendle]

Some of you guys will be back here complaining, when you reach level 28 and you're faced with doing 800 laps of Indy Oval, just to qualify for the next event.
You need level 30 for the next event btw

 

[XBulbX]

Looks like we are all playing different games lol.
I have golded all licenses and special events (except for last AMG event) as well as beginner and amateur series and I am level 22. I have only just touched professional and nothing above. If those races provide little XP and credits, I'll understand what you are all saying.

 

[Duke of Pendle]

As you progress through the game, the gaps get bigger. That is - the xp required to level up are more and more, and the number of events available get fewer.
The only way then is to repeat events you've already run.

 

[GasolineJunkie]

I haven't really had to grind yet. I'm at level 27 and the only events that I haven't completed that my level allows is the Rally Tour Expert, and the Formula Car Championship. And I only have about 35 golds in my licenses and I don't have all golds in the AMG Special Events. If I were to gold all of those and complete the 2 Events that is allowed, I'd probably have enough for level 28. Oh yea, and I still have the Laguna Seca Enduro. After all of that though, I can see where I'll probably have to start grinding.

I don't mind it being hard to progress through the game, but if you've done everything that your current level allows, and golded them all, I don't think its fair to have to grind out the same events over and over. It really doesn't make sense.

On the flip side, if you haven't completed everything that your level allows, then you shouldn't be grinding anything out. You should focus on the events that you are eligible for.

But then again, I never "practice" with a car on a certain track. If I want to try out a particular car on a particular track, I always do it in one of the Aspec races so I get credits and xp for it. And I get the practice as well.

 

[Jarmo]

The grinding at lvl 20 is BS (at least for xp). The levels and the events are same for us all. If you gold everything you don't have to grind to advance. I'm at the end of lvl 21 right now and I haven't grinded once and I still have loads of special events to do which will unlock more A-spec events etc etc.

 

[monoha]

Are you selling your cars then? That's a way to not grind I would expect.

Me? Nope :-) I don't need to grind credits - Don't even know what to spend all my credits on.

 

[kejbee]

Im at level 26 and I havnt been grinding that much, and I still have lots of races and event I havnt won or golded. And with the endurance races it really easy to level up.

 

[MidianGTX]

Really! its a GAME! I have a job already, i do not need another one sitting in front of my console for 4 hrs trying to get a decent car or move to the next level.

Then why buy a racing sim? Did you think race car driving was an easy, laid-back 5-minute career? It may be a game, but it's purpose is to simulate something very deep and involving. If that's not what you want, other people make games you can shoot through in 5 minutes.

 

[Jason_B]

I've been building cars and grinding through with several cars. It's been very fun to be honest. Obviously building new cars hurts the grind but I honestly haven't had this much fun with a GT game since GT2.

 

[marinerman3]

Then why buy a racing sim? Did you think race car driving was an easy, laid-back 5-minute career? It may be a game, but it's purpose is to simulate something very deep and involving. If that's not what you want, other people make games you can shoot through in 5 minutes.

Doing the same event over and over is not racing! I am not opposed to working hard to get up to the next level, but when I have completed all the levels preceding at gold, I expect to be able to advance and keep playing. I am not looking for a 5 min sim (dumb statement), I enjoy racing hard to win and even maybe having to work an event to win it (just like real racing). But, when I do win it, the reward should be the opportunity to advance.

I have played this game for countless hours and really enjoy it, my (deep and involving) sim is GTR2 on the PC which is a very intricate racing experience with real setups downloaded from the teams that run them, so don't give me the REAL racing experience on this game, it hardly come close.

 

[articzap]

I only had to grind once, at 21 now, and that was because I wanted an F40. No other reason to yet.

 

[Servbot24]

So I take it no one has reached 40 yet? I actually appreciate that it takes so long to build EXP up, should keep me going with this game for a long time.

 

[casual]

I am level 20 and only have bronze in most of the specials, and am starting to get golds in most of A-spec now, though i do need to re-race quite often to get golds. I feel i'm below par/average player, so i feel like i wont need to grind as much later because i'll have done it during the A-spec races just to get the cup i was after.

 

[Dessy182]

Just reached level 27 and all I have left are 8 endurance events. I can currently enter in two and the rest require me to be a higher level all the way to 40 for the last one.

Now is when the real grinding shall begin

 

[Kaaosherra]

I did some grinding at around 21 to 23, but that was mainly for money. I'm at 27 now. We'll see what happens next.

At first it's the challenges and the licences that give big XP. In later stages it's the endurances. The 4hr event at Suzuka gave me about 80% of the Xp needed for the next level. If the rest of them are scaled like that, then there might not be that massive of a grind.

 

[TooDamnSlow]

The Grind is there, and it is ridiculous.
This game is nothing more than the brainchild of an egomaniacal one Kaz Yam.

-50 different Miatas, and only a handful of cars 2009 or newer?

-Need a specific car for a race? Don't count on winning it in other races (but if you want a '74 Honda, or a Midget II, or maybe a Lupo the race prizes will amaze you), and don't count on getting it from the dealership. Instead, refresh the Used Car Lot over and over and over and over and over until it finally shows up. And then, there it is, finally! But damn, it's more credits than you currently have? Sorry for your luck, try grinding out some Indy for the credits. But don't expect the car to still be there when you go back, because it will undoubtedly be gone, and you will be refreshing and grinding over and over and over again until you get lucky and it finally shows up.

-More "historical" cars than can be seen on the lawn at the Grand Concourse D'Elegance, and more than anyone cares about or will EVER use, yet they are constantly given as prizes for completing races

-Absolutely AWFUL experience & cash/time and effort ratio for B-Spec

-Corrupt game saves abound

-Widespread audio cutting out issues

-Inability to share and race online courses generated with the course editor

-1 Car per 24hr day Gift limit, this makes absolutely no sense to me. If someone else wants to pick up the game and go all out from the very beginning, who is PD to tell them they're not allowed? Remember, they make their money as soon as that person buys the game. Not by keeping them playing the game day after day after day. This is very arrogant logic by PD in my opinion.

-SEVERE lack of wealth generating prospects in game. The most profitable race is 4 minutes at Indy for 98k credits. When there are cars as expensive as 20 mil, that means nearly 14 full hours of racing, not including load times, staging in and out of the races in order to buy ONE of these cars. Who has that kind of time for a game?

-The leveling system is an arrogant way to try to make the game have a longer lasting appeal. What's been forgotten by the developers is that in the process of lvl'ing in MMOs is generally REWARDED. In this game, it feels more like a task than an accomplishment. All for what? the ability to race the coveted X1?

You know what made the previous GT titles fun? The fact that you could spend an hour plowing through some races, then buy a car you really liked, pimp it out, and see just how fast you could make it go. And once you got tired of it, you went back and did the same thing with a different car, and then compared it to the others in your garage. You were constantly tuning, buying upgrades, trying to find the perfect cars and setups for each track and race. That is gone in this game. The audacity of PD and Kaz Yam to think that they could spend 6 years to release this garbage, and then put in all of these progress stifling features to improve the games longevity reeks of arrogance and laziness to me. If you want to create a game that people keep coming back to, make it FUN. Not the whole world has hundreds of hours to pour into a grind, or we'd all be playing WoW.

And for all you hardcore Sim fans out there with your rigs and steering wheel setups getting ready to flame me, more power to you boys. And may there be another 10 years this time for you to grind this crap out until PD releases GT6. I'm sure you'll be perfectly happy when the level cap is increased to 100.

 

[articzap]

The Grind is there, and it is ridiculous.
This game is nothing more than the brainchild of an egomaniacal one Kaz Yam.

-50 different Miatas, and only a handful of cars 2009 or newer?

-Need a specific car for a race? Don't count on winning it in other races (but if you want a '74 Honda, or a Midget II, or maybe a Lupo the race prizes will amaze you), and don't count on getting it from the dealership. Instead, refresh the Used Car Lot over and over and over and over and over until it finally shows up. And then, there it is, finally! But damn, it's more credits than you currently have? Sorry for your luck, try grinding out some Indy for the credits. But don't expect the car to still be there when you go back, because it will undoubtedly be gone, and you will be refreshing and grinding over and over and over again until you get lucky and it finally shows up.

-More "historical" cars than can be seen on the lawn at the Grand Concourse D'Elegance, and more than anyone cares about or will EVER use, yet they are constantly given as prizes for completing races

-Absolutely AWFUL experience & cash/time and effort ratio for B-Spec

-Corrupt game saves abound

-Widespread audio cutting out issues

-Inability to share and race online courses generated with the course editor

-1 Car per 24hr day Gift limit, this makes absolutely no sense to me. If someone else wants to pick up the game and go all out from the very beginning, who is PD to tell them they're not allowed? Remember, they make their money as soon as that person buys the game. Not by keeping them playing the game day after day after day. This is very arrogant logic by PD in my opinion.

-SEVERE lack of wealth generating prospects in game. The most profitable race is 4 minutes at Indy for 98k credits. When there are cars as expensive as 20 mil, that means nearly 14 full hours of racing, not including load times, staging in and out of the races in order to buy ONE of these cars. Who has that kind of time for a game?

-The leveling system is an arrogant way to try to make the game have a longer lasting appeal. What's been forgotten by the developers is that in the process of lvl'ing in MMOs is generally REWARDED. In this game, it feels more like a task than an accomplishment. All for what? the ability to race the coveted X1?

You know what made the previous GT titles fun? The fact that you could spend an hour plowing through some races, then buy a car you really liked, pimp it out, and see just how fast you could make it go. And once you got tired of it, you went back and did the same thing with a different car, and then compared it to the others in your garage. You were constantly tuning, buying upgrades, trying to find the perfect cars and setups for each track and race. That is gone in this game. The audacity of PD and Kaz Yam to think that they could spend 6 years to release this garbage, and then put in all of these progress stifling features to improve the games longevity reeks of arrogance and laziness to me. If you want to create a game that people keep coming back to, make it FUN. Not the whole world has hundreds of hours to pour into a grind, or we'd all be playing WoW.

And for all you hardcore Sim fans out there with your rigs and steering wheel setups getting ready to flame me, more power to you boys. And may there be another 10 years this time for you to grind this crap out until PD releases GT6. I'm sure you'll be perfectly happy when the level cap is increased to 100.

Thank you for paraphrasing 90% of the threads and posts here. Now answer the OP's question. lol

 

[RobGT81]

Doing the same event over and over is not racing! .

Actually thats basically what racing is....

I dont mind re doing events, I just pick a different car and have a little fun with it, change some settings see what works and what doesnt, thats racing.

 

[marinerman3]

Actually thats basically what racing is....

I dont mind re doing events, I just pick a different car and have a little fun with it, change some settings see what works and what doesnt, thats racing.

I race during the summer almost every weekend, late models and super stocks, do not tell me what racing is!

 

[Xouved]

I hit 26 in A-Spec with minimal grinding. (Only 5 races max). It isn't to bad as long as you try to complete all the special events and such. The more interesting subject though is the grinding required in B-Spec.

I had to do some grinding (Minimal; 4 races, but still) at level 10! I'd completed every race prior too. This is more confusing and ill-thought out than the A-Spec leveling in my eyes.

 

[Sidstyler]

Human being love to whine. It is a fact. We're playing a game, pure entertainment, but still people don't enjoy themselves. We clearly enjoy our own pain.

I did farm money for the Formula GT, and On B-spec i did have to grind a bit to get into the Professional Series.
But you are all right, grinding A-spec is not needed what so ever. the Special Events Ensure that.

 

[Tornado]

I disagree - If I'm able to, and you aren't - clearly all those complaining is doing it wrong.

So if the game isn't doing things wrong, why am I simply not able to play the game the way I want? Why can't I enjoy the game for reasons that I enjoyed previous GT games? Why do I have to do all of the special events first in order to unlock events? For a game that was supposed be more beginner friendly, it sure is designed in a way that absolutely refuses to allow you to play it any way but how PD wants.

"I can do it so you must be doing it wrong" is a terrible and meaningless defense, by the way.

Also, its ignorent to say there is a small credit problem - I have 7 million without grinding - simply because I'm playing the game, which means I also do B-spec (where I need the same cars). And mind you that its 7 million without selling any cars - have around 130 now.

Good for you. All that tells me is that you play GT games in a specific fashion. It doesn't do anything to counter how the game is far too stingy with money, which is only compounded by the fact that many things in the game cost far too much.

Then why buy a racing sim? Did you think race car driving was an easy, laid-back 5-minute career? It may be a game, but it's purpose is to simulate something very deep and involving. If that's not what you want, other people make games you can shoot through in 5 minutes.

This particular problem was never an issue with any previous GT game, and yet none of them had problems with longevity.

 

[Beliall]

I seem to remember repeating races to earn cars in GT4 as well. I wasn't a member here then, was everybody bitching about it then too?

 

[Tornado]

I seem to remember repeating races to earn cars in GT4 as well. I wasn't a member here then, was everybody bitching about it then too?

In GT4 doing so was your prerogative. That wasn't the game making the decision for you.

 

[Predwolf]

I love all of these people who say that the game takes too long, or stalls them or makes them do races over and over (..the whole point of a racing game..) to get XP.

My parents used to play Indiana Jones on the Atari, and that required TWO people to play it, one to control the guy, one to shoot. They both were in the Navy, and both had full time jobs as well as taking care of two kids, yet they managed to play through it just fine even if it was hard as hell.

Complaining about "grinding" in a racing game is pretty silly. That's like complaining that there's too much shooting in a CoD game.

 

[Kaaosherra]

If you just want to complete the game, the money thing is not that big of a deal, really. If you want to buy all of those 10-20MCr cars then yeah, you might not get the cash quickly.

In Racedriver:GRID I ended up with almost two BILLION credits, and nothing to use it on because I already had all the cars. This was before I was at 100%. Now say what you want, but that's a broken economy system.

In GT5 the only car you really need to scour the lot for is the Formula. All other events give you multiple choises on what to enter them with. If the Formula is the only mega-expensive car you're going to buy, then you probably don't even need to grind for the money.

 

[GasolineJunkie]

Like I said earlier, I never really had to grind much. I'm at level 27 but do not have enough to do the next enduro - Indy. But I don't mind, because I enjoy taking different cars to different tracks to test them out and have fun. I can see where it's starting to get to that point though.

But what I do mind is grinding out in Bspec. I'm currently level 20 with no races able to enter except for the historic cup and I'm waiting until I get level 21 so I can use the Toyota 7. This is crap. I do not enjoy sending my guys to do the same races over and over. I'm not even close to level 21. I've been sending the same guys in the GT all stars and polyphony cup for the last 2 hours. Its bad enough that we gotta send these drivers through all of these events but to make us grind that out is sad.

 

[monoha]

So if the game isn't doing things wrong, why am I simply not able to play the game the way I want? Why can't I enjoy the game for reasons that I enjoyed previous GT games? Why do I have to do all of the special events first in order to unlock events? For a game that was supposed be more beginner friendly, it sure is designed in a way that absolutely refuses to allow you to play it any way but how PD wants.

Beginner friendly or not - The game is more diverse then it used to and the XP/level system changes the game, so you cant play it like you used to aswell. Have you ever played WoW or something similar? Do you complain about not being able to raid/kill the end boss, just because you feel your ready and had enough of doing something 'specific' to get there? GT5 is a different kind of game now, deal with it, or choose to keep playing it 'wrong' and get no where.

"I can do it so you must be doing it wrong" is a terrible and meaningless defense, by the way.

Why is that terrible and meaningless?

Good for you. All that tells me is that you play GT games in a specific fashion. It doesn't do anything to counter how the game is far too stingy with money, which is only compounded by the fact that many things in the game cost far too much.

That just pure complaining/crying to me, because others and I didn't experience that.

I love all of these people who say that the game takes too long, or stalls them or makes them do races over and over (..the whole point of a racing game..) to get XP.

Complaining about "grinding" in a racing game is pretty silly. That's like complaining that there's too much shooting in a CoD game.

Spot on, nicely said.

But what I do mind is grinding out in Bspec. I'm currently level 20 with no races able to enter except for the historic cup and I'm waiting until I get level 21 so I can use the Toyota 7. This is crap. I do not enjoy sending my guys to do the same races over and over. I'm not even close to level 21. I've been sending the same guys in the GT all stars and polyphony cup for the last 2 hours. Its bad enough that we gotta send these drivers through all of these events but to make us grind that out is sad.

I never had to grind B-spec either, until level 26-27 - And my theory is that all the races I entered in B-spec, I finished even though I could see I wouldn't win, but that way I still get some XP. There were some events I had to do many times to be able to win (changes car, settings, order-timing). So either you quit if you see you can't win, or you overpower your car soo much you aren't really playing the racing aspect of a racing game.