AMD slammed by Intel's Core 2 Extreme in tests.

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The one up top is a side-by-side test comparison between the AMD FX-62 processor and the Core 2 Duo Extreme processor.
 
sutton.a
Not like most of us could afford one anyway aye.
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However, the lowest performance model of the Conroe line still trumps most of AMD's stuff.
 
That's very true. My faith in Intel may be restored yet.

Intel has pulled off a truly remarkable feat: they've engineered a fast, cool-running, well-designed processor that uses very low amounts of power compared to the processors that were on top of the market. My hope is that AMD takes a cue from this and rethinks their engineering.

If this becomes an all-out processor war between AMD and Intel, we could stand to gain a lot :D
 
Omnis
However, the lowest performance model of the Conroe line still trumps most of AMD's stuff.
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A $316 Intel chip that goes punch for punch with the FX-62, is all you need to say. Saving $800 on your processor, getting better chipset options, and having the ability to get DDR2 ram are the benefits.
 
ozyran
That's very true. My faith in Intel may be restored yet.

Intel has pulled off a truly remarkable feat: they've engineered a fast, cool-running, well-designed processor that uses very low amounts of power compared to the processors that were on top of the market. My hope is that AMD takes a cue from this and rethinks their engineering.
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Why would AMD suddenly "rethink their engineering"? These guys are running development programmes that will see processors launched at the end of the decade. They're not going suddenly to shift direction just because their rival has stolen a temporary march.

ozyran
If this becomes an all-out processor war between AMD and Intel, we could stand to gain a lot :D
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What do you mean, "if"? Intel and AMD have been in all-out war for the last ten years. It's just that only recently has AMD been able to fight Intel blow-for-blow in the desktop, laptop and server spaces.
 
Rethink as in switch from the 90 nm core to a smaller one, such as 64 nm. Don't get me wrong, I'm going AMD all the way. My next system will be the AMD Socket AM2 3800+. Ever since I became serious about computer building, I've believed that AMD is the better of the two these days.

I am surprised, however, that Intel produced such a well-made processor. It runs cooler, runs faster, and uses less power than any of AMDs processors. That's all I'm saying here.

And yes, even though AMD and Intel have been at it, there haven't been any serious battles between the two, that I can tell. Just one long, drawn-out war. I'm looking to see if maybe this will spark some intense battles between the two.
 
If you plan to buy a Core 2 Duo, then don't buy Core 2 Duo Extreme, unless you have money to burn in a short time. But if you want the best all round Core 2 Duo, then go for either the 6600 or the 6700, since only 2-4% of people go for the Core 2 Duo Extreme.
 
ozyran
I am surprised, however, that Intel produced such a well-made processor. It runs cooler, runs faster, and uses less power than any of AMDs processors. That's all I'm saying here.
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Remember this is Intel's first 'new' chip in a while now. I hardly call all those revamped P4's they've been rolling out the last few years new. And the P4 itself was a great chip when it was launched compared to AMD's offerings at the time.

I have no doubt AMD will come back with something bigger and better, especially with their acquisition of ATI. Granted, we might not see this 'something' for a year or two yet, but my next build probably won't be till then anyway. ;)
 
You make a good point there. One of my coworkers - a man who's set in his Intel processors - has said something similar to what you've said. It's also why I applaud Intel: it's a move away from their much ballyhooed Pentium processors and a redesign in their platform.
 
AMD is working on 4x4 technology. I'd like to see how that comes out.
 
I think that a tweak to my views is in order. I was always under the impression that if you wanted a gaming rig, then AMD is the way to go, and if you wanted audio and video processing, then an Intel was the obvious choice (aside from a Mac). Is this thinking correct? Outdated? Inaccurate? Completely wrong?
 
gOoSeTeR
I think that a tweak to my views is in order. I was always under the impression that if you wanted a gaming rig, then AMD is the way to go, and if you wanted audio and video processing, then an Intel was the obvious choice (aside from a Mac). Is this thinking correct? Outdated? Inaccurate? Completely wrong?
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AMD is still good for gaming if you're on a tighter budget. And they weren't bad for video and audio encoding.

Intel has the lead on pretty much everything, but the E6300(bottom model) is $229 now at newegg and the motherboards can be pricy as well.
 
gOoSeTeR
I think that a tweak to my views is in order. I was always under the impression that if you wanted a gaming rig, then AMD is the way to go, and if you wanted audio and video processing, then an Intel was the obvious choice (aside from a Mac). Is this thinking correct? Outdated? Inaccurate? Completely wrong?
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Completely wrong and with no logical backing. Audio/Video is done by the workstation chips of each company (Intel's Xeon and AMD's Opteron) and hardcore gaming is handled by the Extreme and FX series.

The "categorizing" isn't done by company, but by architecture, both of which each company makes.


But, I bet you knew that. Usually, if AMD ups the ante on Intel or vice-versa, both their workstation and desktop processors will be better. AMD used to be better than Intel in all areas, but with the new Core 2 series, Intel has AMD's desktop processors smashed. If I'm not mistaken, AMD's Opterons are still superior to Intel's Xeons. I expect that to change if it hasn't done so already. :scared:

By the way, has anybody seem the new Merom architecture? Core 2 power in a freakin' laptop!

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/13/idf_spring_2006/page4.html
 
Azuremen
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEwOCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Lookie that, some more "real" world testing that somewhat shows the difference in actual performance.

That, and AMD dropped all their prices quite a bit, so works out well for the AMD fans ;)
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Wow, that helped to clear the fog that was in my mind about this whole thing. What I said about Intel's new processor still stands; it's like seeing the remade Mustang as an F-body fanboy. It's a respectable processor, and it's renewed my respect in Intel just as the new Mustang made me see Ford in a whole new light. However, I'm still going to proceed with my AMD dual core rig built on an SLI platform (Lord willing) coming up here in October, just as I was going to before Intel released the Extreme. AMD was not smashed as initial tests showed; they were merely overshadowed. The battle rages on :D.

And the drop in the AMD processors continues. Current pricing on our processor of choice (AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor dual-core) is now $150.00 - and the price continues to drop! BIG, BIG benefits to be had.

(And on a side note, the wife and I are eagerly awaiting the new Camaro going into production in '09...heh heh heh :mischievous:)
 
I'll continue with AMD if I have the choice. After switching to Intel Pentium 4 from a AMD Duron (and that was 4 years old) I've had nothing but problems and frequent comptuer crashes.

Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but does a processor have any effect on the computer's stability?
 
I don't like the way they structure their tests so I stopped reading after the first benchmarks. Just stupid to give comparisons which have separate settings to see what will get the same FPS...I prefer THG.
Basically, the Core 2 Duo beats the crap out of the AMD - obviously that will change soon...then change again. Hopefully the quad cores will be out by the time Vista is out (which should happen with the Vista delays) so my next system will be absolutely super awesome.
 
I can still get a cheaper 2.4GHz Orleans chip by AMD (single core) for a very nice budget gaming chip. They run like, $109 on NewEgg.
 
Yuck, single core...I don't get your point? Obviously old technology prices will drop severely and 'still' be available once much greater technology comes out (which will run newer games a bit faster)...You can still buy original pentium 2s from some shops.
 
I think he means that dual-core isn't that necessary to him yet and he can still buy a decent gaming CPU for $109.

Of course, I'll buy a single-core as well....
 
In the end i'd still prefer amd over pentium. Their cheaper and their are only like 5-10% of the market that would actually buy top computer gear. Its worth about half its original price in about a month.
 
DODGE the VIPER
Yuck, single core...I don't get your point? Obviously old technology prices will drop severely and 'still' be available once much greater technology comes out (which will run newer games a bit faster)...You can still buy original pentium 2s from some shops.
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Dual core is useless for gaming, you do realize that, right? Dual core is a waste of money if you want it for just gaming. Even if games start to become optimized for Dual-Core, single core will still be the budget man's best friend.
 
Heard of the AM2 (and X2) price drops? Last time I checked they're pretty much budget now - and waaay better than the single core Athlons.
 
DODGE the VIPER
Heard of the AM2 (and X2) price drops? Last time I checked they're pretty much budget now - and waaay better than the single core Athlons.
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But of course you'll still pay $200+ premium for a dual-core Athlon X2 compared to a single-core Athlon. No matter how low prices get, it will never undercut the single-core. Why? Because single-core is older and is less desirable to the computing market than dual-core!

Dual-core is only good for multitaskers. Not too much gaming. If you want gaming then you're better off getting, say, Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edtion compared to a Intel Pentium D 830.
 

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