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To a certain extent, that's Trump. Every time Trump "owns the libs", they score a personal superiority point because Trump is their representative. What he's doing is not as important as who he's doing it to.
I don't necessarily think this is wrong, but I think maybe it's too simple. So much of this seems to have come coincided with Trump's recent rise in mainstream politics (because he's been a politician as long as he's been in the public eye even if he hadn't held a governmental office) that he can be blamed for it, but I think it's a dynamic that was already present to some degree before he tapped into it and brought it into the mainstream. Just compare the GOP during the 2016 Republican primaries to the GOP now sans "Trumpy" figures--the establishment that he was supposed to be fighting but who have since placed him on a pedestal.
 
I don't necessarily think this is wrong, but I think maybe it's too simple. So much of this seems to have come coincided with Trump's recent rise in mainstream politics (because he's been a politician as long as he's been in the public eye even if he hadn't held a governmental office) that he can be blamed for it, but I think it's a dynamic that was already present to some degree before he tapped into it and brought it into the mainstream. Just compare the GOP during the 2016 Republican primaries to the GOP now sans "Trumpy" figures--the establishment that he was supposed to be fighting but who have since placed him on a pedestal.
That's kinda what I'm getting at. If Israel is their proxy who will beat up on the people they don't like, Trump is as well because he figuratively (mostly) beats up on the liberals. He revels in the role of course, as does Israel I think.
 
That's kinda what I'm getting at. If Israel is their proxy who will beat up on the people they don't like, Trump is as well because he figuratively (mostly) beats up on the liberals. He revels in the role of course, as does Israel I think.
Whoosh. Got it now. Totally misunderstood the first part as "that's on Trump."

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Don't mind me...
 
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Substitute "Cops" for "Israelis" and its exactly the same. I'm sure this is far from the only analogue. The entire modern American conservative ethos is based on punishing anything and anyone they consider undesirable. I'd argue it's not even about hate...it's about the desperate desire to feel superior to anyone....itself probably a manifestation of personal disappointment or feelings of uselessness/inferiority - I mean, we aren't talking about high achievers here.

"There has to be a reason I haven't achieved the American dream! It must be the [insert brown people here] who have ruined [insert cultural touchstone here]! They must be destroyed!"
If you really want to mess with their heads, tell American conservatives that their beloved Jesus Christ was Palestinian. :lol:
 
If you really want to mess with their heads, tell American conservatives that their beloved Jesus Christ was Palestinian. :lol:
These guys say he was Judean since there wasn't a Palestine until 135.
 
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If you really want to mess with their heads, tell American conservatives that their beloved Jesus Christ was Palestinian. :lol:
Yeah but how likely is it to mess with their heads? They believe only what they want to believe, no matter how much evidence to the contrary they're given.

I think if they're going to cite what they believe about Jesus as a basis for bigoted beliefs about others, I'd sooner refer to their belief in the story of Jesus as mental illness much the way they speak of those who don't conform to their views on gender and sexuality.

They've been sowing and it's about time the ****ers reap.
 
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"There has to be a reason I haven't achieved the American dream! It must be the [insert brown people here] who have ruined [insert cultural touchstone here]! They must be destroyed!"
It's funny how averse some people are to looking at the systems surrounding them in their own country for answers. I mean, maybe you're poor because the Mexicans came and took yer jerbs. Or maybe it's a culture of relentless individualism where anyone who hasn't had the good fortune to be always in the right place at the right time is somehow a monster leeching off everyone else's hard work.

Sure seems like a lot more people achieved the American dream back when the country had more socialist policies though.
 
It's funny how averse some people are to looking at the systems surrounding them in their own country for answers. I mean, maybe you're poor because the Mexicans came and took yer jerbs. Or maybe it's a culture of relentless individualism where anyone who hasn't had the good fortune to be always in the right place at the right time is somehow a monster leeching off everyone else's hard work.
There has to be a reason I haven't achieved the American dream! It must be [insert rich person here] who has ruined [insert cultural touchstone here]! They must be destroyed!

Sure seems like a lot more people achieved the American dream back when the country had more socialist policies though.

We've never had more socialist policies.
 
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There has to be a reason I haven't achieved the American dream! It must be [insert rich person here] who has ruined [insert cultural touchstone here]! They must be destroyed!
I didn't say anything about rich people or cultural touchstones. I was pointing out that not examining systemic issues as a potential cause is a blinkered way to approach the problem.

Seems hard to disagree with the idea that broadly examining all possible causes is the best way to identify the root causes of an issue, even if you don't believe a specific topic to actually be an issue.

We've never had more socialist policies.
You'd probably know better than me, but that's not what it looks like from the outside. It's entirely possible that it's just an illusion based on a non-US perspective, where even though the US is implementing more socialist policies than ever before they're still falling behind what is "normal" for other developed western countries. The way a cyclist could be pedalling flat out and going faster than they ever have before, but look like they're slowing down from a car.

To be clear, I'm not holding Australia up as some sort of shining example here. We've got our own societal inequity that needs dealing to.
 
You'd probably know better than me, but that's not what it looks like from the outside. It's entirely possible that it's just an illusion based on a non-US perspective, where even though the US is implementing more socialist policies than ever before they're still falling behind what is "normal" for other developed western countries. The way a cyclist could be pedalling flat out and going faster than they ever have before, but look like they're slowing down from a car.

To be clear, I'm not holding Australia up as some sort of shining example here. We've got our own societal inequity that needs dealing to.

Regardless of whether the rest of the world is headed deeper in to socialism faster than we are, if you look at our responses to the 2008 crash and to COVID, I think you'll see a society that has embraced the principles of socialism deeper than in the decades prior, even if not embracing the name.
 
I went from emptying shop trash cans weighed down by dip spit mixed with metal shavings to airline pilot, all on socialism. I'm pretty satisfied.
 

Pity it took a suit filed by and on behalf of Democrats to the benefit of all voters, not subject to political viewpoint or affiliation, in a majority Republican governed (legislative and executive) state to further compel a completely logical and completely legal practice to which it had previously agreed but not acted upon, but here we are.
 
I went from emptying shop trash cans weighed down by dip spit mixed with metal shavings to airline pilot, all on socialism. I'm pretty satisfied.

Socialism has been the American system for at least 86 years.
 
Regardless of whether the rest of the world is headed deeper in to socialism faster than we are, if you look at our responses to the 2008 crash and to COVID, I think you'll see a society that has embraced the principles of socialism deeper than in the decades prior, even if not embracing the name.
Only reason they are embracing it is cause of the "free" money.

I went from emptying shop trash cans weighed down by dip spit mixed with metal shavings to airline pilot, all on socialism. I'm pretty satisfied.
No, YOU earned it. I'm pretty sure you can't just hop in a plane and fly off. ;)
 
No, YOU earned it. I'm pretty sure you can't just hop in a plane and fly off. ;)
Earning it would've been impossible without about $80,000 worth of access to opportunity, almost all of which was public money. It's only possible to earn things if you can afford the opportunity.
 
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Earning it would've been impossible without about $80,000 worth of access to opportunity, almost all of which was public money. It's only possible to earn things if you can afford the opportunity.
Sounds like a waste of time then.
$80K of school debt and no disrespect, unemployed if I'm correct.
 
Let’s start with this: The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors has had it with the bogus Cyber Ninja election audit and is openly defying the latest subpoena from the state senate.

“It is now August of 2021,” Board of Supervisors Chairman Jack Sellers (R) wrote in a letter to the Senate on Monday. “The election of November 2020 is over. If you haven’t figured out that the election in Maricopa County was free, fair, and accurate yet, I’m not sure you ever will.

“The Board has real work to do and little time to entertain this adventure in never-never land. Please finish whatever it is that you are doing and release whatever it is you are going to release.”

Republican State Senator Wendy Rogers responded this way:


She is apparently quite serious about the “solitary confinement” thing.

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This is, of course, weapons-grade nutbaggery. But maybe we need to take it seriously, because something genuinely odd (and disturbing) is happening on the right.

Ideas that would have been unthinkable just moments ago are now being normalized and, if anything, the drift toward authoritarianism seems to be accelerating. This includes the explicit embrace of the idea of an American dictator — an American Caesar. Literally and seriously. (This is not a parody.)

As I’ve mentioned before, the publication that unironically calls itself American Greatness likes to think of itself as the “intellectual” home for MAGAWorld.

Despite its dalliance with raw racism, and a fetish for sedition, American Greatness’s roster of contributors includes such right-wing luminaries as Victor David Hanson, Seb Gorka, David Harsanyi, Conrad Black, Roger Kimball, Mark Bauerlein, Josh Hammer, Ned Ryun, Dennis Prager, and Salena Zito.

It recently published an endorsement of military coups by a retired military guy with close ties to TrumpWorld.

But now its fetish for coups has morphed into a yearning for even more robust measures. “To survive today’s leftist threat,” argues author Christopher Roach, “we need to be committed to acquiring and using power in the service of a counterrevolution.”

This new “Great America” agenda means that we should be more like Portugal.

In an article titled, “The Salazar Option,” the magazine celebrates the decades-long reign of Portugal’s fascist-adjacent dictator António de Oliveira Salazar.

Roach is not the first American conservative who has had a fascination with the Portuguese dictator. When a mediocre biography, Salazar: The Dictator Who Refused to Die, was published, Joshua Tait recalls, the book “about the man at the heart of an alleged ‘dictatorship without a dictator’” was “enthusiastically covered in The American Conservative and First Things.”

William F. Buckley Jr. once republished one of Salazar’s speeches in National Review, but the continuing hagiography of the dictator was too much for some of his successors at the magazine. In a piece headlined “Airbrushing Brutality, One Falsehood at a Time” earlier this year, a National Review writer noted that the dictator “was not a ‘model’ leader, despite the claims of a bizarre effort to whitewash his history.”
The Polícia de Vigilância e de Defesa do Estado (PVDE), established on the model of the Gestapo and later reorganized into the PIDE, terrorized the citizenry of Portugal for the entire duration of Salazar’s reign.…
One can’t really discuss the Salazar regime in this respect without mentioning the hellscape of Tarrafal, a prison camp built in the Portuguese colony of Cape Verde in 1936 to hold the dissidents who defied Salazar. Thirty-two people died in Tarrafal, which had a reputation for particularly depraved forms of torture.
As Tait notes, Salazar’s regime, known as the Estado Novo, which was overthrown in in 1974, was a grim failure. Over time it “deteriorated into a bloated state characterized by inefficiency, nepotism, repression, and poor education. Internal critics condemned it. Commissions compiled massive public grievances and were summarily buried.”

But desperate times require desperate historical revisionism. Roach sets the mood this way:
The forces of the aggressive, secular Left are not going to let any of us retreat into our own enclaves. They will hunt down every last private club, pizza shop, and bakery out of mere spite. They will steal your kids and destroy your life.
For anyone opposed to society’s fast-changing rules, you can expect the Branch Davidian treatment.
The alternative? Roach looks back with nostalgia at the 1926 coup that overthrew Portugal’s First Republic and replaced it with Estado Novo.

But it is precisely its authoritarian brutality that appeals most strongly to American Greatness. For Roach, the repression is precisely the point:
[The] Estado Novo and its supporters did not treat its enemies with kid gloves. They were not limited by self-defeating notions of “principle.” Hostile and revolutionary elements—whether domestic Communists, fascist syndicalists, internal political factions, or international high finance—were treated as equal potential dangers. The common good and the survival and flourishing of the nation were the lodestars of the government.
The New Right’s passion for actual dictatorship is even more explicit in a recent production from the Claremont Institute. As [Jonathan V. Last] noted yesterday, you should definitely bookmark this piece from Damon Linker, “The intellectual right contemplates an 'American Caesar’.”

The subhead puts it into context: “Jan. 6 was a badly planned rehearsal for the real deal.”
n late May, [Michael] Anton set aside nearly two hours on his Claremont Institute podcast ("The Stakes") for an erudite, wide-ranging discussion with self-described monarchist Curtis Yarvin about why the United States needs an "American Caesar" to seize control of the federal government, and precisely how such a would-be dictator could accomplish the task …

The trick, for Yarvin, is for the would-be American Caesar to exercise emergency powers from day one. How? Caesar should run for president promising to do precisely this, and then announce the national emergency in his inaugural address, encouraging every state government to do the same. Taking advantages of "ambiguities" in the Constitution, he will immediately act to federalize the national guard around the country and welcome backup from sympathetic members of the police (who will wear armbands to signal their support for Caesar).
When federal agencies refuse to go along, Yarvin suggests, Caesar (whom he now begins referring to as "Trump") will use a "Trump app" to communicate directly with his 80 million supporters on their smart phones, using notifications to tell them that "this agency isn't following my instructions," which will prompt them to rally at the proper building, with the crowd "steered around by a joystick by Trump himself," forming a "human barricade around every federal building, supporting Trump's lawful authority." Where maybe 20,000 people stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, millions responding to the Trump app would be much more effective — a modern-day version of the paramilitary groups that ensured Lincoln's safety during the hard-fought, dangerous 1860 campaign for president that preceded the Civil War (and the president's subsequent suspension of habeas corpus and shuttering of hundreds of newspapers).
When Anton asks how Trump-Caesar should respond to Harvard, The New York Times, and the rest of the theocratic oligarchy blaring air-raid sirens about the imposition of dictatorship, Yarvin indicates that it would be essential to "smash it" with one blow. To suggest that Caesar should be required to deal with "someone else's department of reality is manifestly absurd." Going on, Yarvin explains that "when Caesar crosses the Rubicon, he doesn't sit around getting his feet wet, fishing. He marches straight across the Rubicon" and uses "all force available." Once that happens, the whole world can be "remade."
The podcast concludes with Anton quoting another Claremont writer (Angelo Codevilla) on how Trump dropped "the leadership of the deplorables," which is waiting to be picked up by someone "who will make Trump seem moderate." Yarvin responds approvingly with a quote by Serbian dictator and indicted genocidal war criminal Slobodan Milošević, who said the goal should be that "no one will dare to beat you anymore."
And, almost as if on cue:
Tucker Carlson will deliver a speech, appropriately titled “The World According to Tucker Carlson,” this coming Saturday at MCC Feszt, a far-right conference in Budapest that is backed by Hungary’s authoritarian prime minister, Viktor Orban.
Exit take:

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Anywho...

My point stands, he wasted his time and money.

I did something similar but don't owe.

I also don't have a problem doing other jobs that pay less/more than what I went to school for.

I get he likes flying. He's the definition of socialism IMO.

He can't find work he wants to do so he complains that the government won't support him cause China started biological war that no one will admit. But I'm the dumb one working paying taxes that'll never pay off the government debt so he sit at home.
 
I'm not sure I comprehend the take here.

Keef has spent quite a significant amount of time training to be a pilot. I've read his posts on his journey for what has to be a couple years now. He was clearly a casualty of the pandemic, but given the effort he's already put in to be a pilot, I don't blame him for wanting to return to being one considering how much training/money goes into that career. It's only a "waste of time and money" if he decides to give it up for, let's be realistic, what would likely be retail/fast food since it's the most widely, underpaid job opportunity around.

And if it was public money that paid for his education, the reaction should be to absolutely support finding him work as a pilot. Otherwise, it truly is a waste of time and money.
 
I'm not sure I comprehend the take here.

Keef has spent quite a significant amount of time training to be a pilot. I've read his posts on his journey for what has to be a couple years now. He was clearly a casualty of the pandemic, but given the effort he's already put in to be a pilot, I don't blame him for wanting to return to being one considering how much training/money goes into that career. It's only a "waste of time and money" if he decides to give it up for, let's be realistic, what would likely be retail/fast food since it's the most widely, underpaid job opportunity around.

And if it was public money that paid for his education, the reaction should be to absolutely support finding him work as a pilot. Otherwise, it truly is a waste of time and money.
If he can fly a plane he can drive a truck.
He can work instead of sitting at home.

Not retail or food pays very good, hours similar.

Edit:Free training with a sign on bonus.

There's a shortage of drivers...

Edit 2: Hell there are job shortages everywhere.
Do SOMETHING instead of wasting tax dollars cause you can.
 
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He can't find work he wants to do so he complains that the government won't support him cause China started biological war that no one will admit. But I'm the dumb one working paying taxes that'll never pay off the government debt so he sit at home.
Amazing. In just two sentences you see the shift from condescension to blame and conspiracy, finally landing on victimhood. I don't imagine there exists a more perfect distillation of modern American conservatism.
 
If he can fly a plane he can drive a truck.
He can work instead of sitting at home.

Not retail or food pays very good, hours similar.

Edit:Free training with a sign on bonus.

There's a shortage of drivers...

Edit 2: Hell there are job shortages everywhere.
Do SOMETHING instead of wasting tax dollars cause you can.
So anyone who has been on unemployment and is searching for a new job they are qualified for (or a proper fit) should immediately take whatever job they can due to a shortage in that field?
 
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