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MisterWaffles
It’s pretty tragic for his kids and wife who were there. Would have been nice if they were spared not having to see that.
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Charlie Kirk, founder and president of the conservative organization Turning Point USA, suggested in a recent episode of The Charlie Kirk Show that children should watch public executions.
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He wanted it, they got it.
 
MisterWaffles
But the world’s a better place without his voice in the public consciousness.
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you get that he is now a martyr and that lot of people, specially young people that were with him already, will be more inspired right?
"you can kill the man, but cant kill the idea" s...t like that...
McLaren
He wanted it, they got it.
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more and more i feel that people are helpless...

i just hope you dont complain about the enventual inevitable push back to this call and celebration of violence
instead of use the moment to cool down tention and think "maybe we are takingg political discouse too far" all i see is people from both sides adding fuel to the aleady big fre

as i mention before i just pray it doesnt up in a civil war or a world war
 
meganinja
instead of use the moment to cool down tention and think "maybe we are takingg political discouse too far" all i see is people from both sides adding fuel to the aleady big fre
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You can't "cool down tensions" with people who have no desire to be rational.

The cult upset about people being anything but devastated over Kirk are the same people who were anything but devastated over the 2 Democratic lawmakers. Half mast for a political influencer but not a State Representative? No thanks, I have no desire to be cordial with those people.
 
meganinja
you get that he is now a martyr and that lot of people, specially young people that were with him already, will be more inspired right?
"you can kill the man, but cant kill the idea" s...t like that...

more and more i feel that people are helpless...

i just hope you dont complain about the enventual inevitable push back to this call and celebration of violence
instead of use the moment to cool down tention and think "maybe we are takingg political discouse too far" all i see is people from both sides adding fuel to the aleady big fre

as i mention before i just pray it doesnt up in a civil war or a world war
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I sincerely do not understand your thinking here. The right has caused the violence. They are the main perpetrators of the violence, by a huge, huge margin. They have been committing violence of this magnitude, and worse, every day that I can remember.

I fully understand your hatred of violence, but this man absolutely reaped what he sowed. He deserved a lot worse than what he got.
 
McLaren
people who have no desire to be rational
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last thing that bro was doing was litteraly "if you disagree with me, lets debate it"

Aphelion
The right has caused the violence. They are the main perpetrators of the violence, by a huge, huge margin.
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there has difference about talking about acts and doing acts of violence
does he called for violence? and no, i am not talking about deny victims, misinfo or or some BS right-wing talking point to win clicks on intenet does he called to shoot or used violence on democrats?

another thing that i feel that is causing this violence is the fear mongoring of both sides, left with violence agnaist imigrants/gays/minorities overall and right agnaist faith/self-defence/accountability of goverment

i assumed that "they gonna take your guns away and throw you in the prision" was just a tallkng point of the right, but this rethoric is increasigly done by the left too, but repacing arms and goverment accontabilty with minority rights, the talking points sometimes get too simillar, even the comparasions with literature, right uses 1984 or some variant, left uses The Handmaid's Tale or some variant
 
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It’s fine guys, just a single person died. Not a whole school or anything like that. Happens daily, even hourly. I’m sure the shooter had a mental illness, which means there’s nothing that could be done about it. Thoughts and prayers work great I hear in cases like this. Let’s not make a big deal.

Now, how about ‘em Epstein files?
 
meganinja
there has difference about talking about acts and doing acts of violence
does he called for violence? and no, i am not talking about deny victims, misinfo or or some BS right-wing talking point to win clicks on intenet does he called to shoot or used violence on democrats?
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I mean, I know for certainty that he, and most of his base of supporters, would happily have me and most of my friends killed (they talk about it openly), so yes, I think the man has called for violence.
 
meganinja
last thing that bro was doing was litteraly "if you disagree with me, lets debate it"
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Guy was literally being asked how many transgender mass shooters there's been, and then how many mass shootings there's been overall (assumingly trying to illustrate that they make up a tiny fraction of mass shooters, yet are being vilified like they are the most dangerous ones). To which Kirk was then attempting to deflect by asking how many of the mass shootings were gang violence, so he could handwave away as many shootings as possible where transgenders weren't the shooters. That's not rational discussion, that's purposefully misconstruing information. And he was doing it to college kids b/c it was easier to brow beat & overwhelm them as they are rarely as politically savy as he was. Being that was his event, it also meant he could film & edit any discourse as he saw fit.

That was his entire political discourse, to push his partisan agenda. It was pointless to have a discussion with him b/c once the conversation was over, he would start his whole charade with the next person hoping they're innocent & underinformed.
 
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McLaren
He did, multiple times. He still continued to preach his controversial views. Events like the very one today were his preference because debating college students make for easy debate & views; it is a routine event for right wing influencers.
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Charlie Kirk used relentless bad faith discussion points masquerading as "dialogue" to gain clout and influence. There was nothing close to an honest effort to engage opposing viewpoints...he was the worst kind of troll. Every second the USA doesn't have his poison lingering around, the better off we'll all be.
 
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PaMu1337

Charlie Kirk has just been shot
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And nothing of value was lost.

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Aphelion
I know for certainty that he, and most of his base of supporters, would happily have me and most of my friends killed (they talk about it openly), so yes, I think the man has called for violence.
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this goes EXACTY what i meant about the fearmongoring part

its the same style of talking points when someone on the right uses some random left-learning politic talking about social media to imply they want censor and hunt down them. there has a clear difference between talk about meming "there has only two genders im right bros lmao" or "i am in favor of deport illegal immigrants"and "everyone lets beat gays and mexicans on street and **** them"

i am sure that could have some stupid dumb 10% that take the memes too much litterally but it happens to both esides, as we saw today since i am sure the shooter probally had some griveances with him politically
McLaren
Guy was literally being asked how many transgender mass shooters there's been, and then how many mass shootings there's been overall (assumingly trying to illustrate that they make up a tiny fraction of mass shooters, yet are being vilified like they are the most dangerous ones). To which Kirk was then attempting to deflect by asking how many of the mass shootings were gang violence, so he could handwave away as many shootings as possible where transgenders weren't the shooters. That's not rational discussion, that's purposefully misconstruing information. And he was doing it to college kids b/c it was easier to brow beat & overwhelm them as they are rarely as politically savy as he was. Being that was his event, it also meant he could film & edit any discourse as he saw fit.

That was his entire political discourse, to push his partisan agenda. It was pointless to have a discussion with him b/c once the conversation was over, he would start his whole charade with the next person hoping they're innocent & underinformed.
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i am not on college anymore, but i am sure if i was still on college age as once was, i would think his argumentation totally idiot and wouldnt be convicing by him
if I was part of debate, i would use his gang violence argument to imply that transgenders werent the biggest shooters, it would be a epic "own" moment that certainly someone would record it even if they were right wingers, since there has so many cameras to the point we saw his killing from multiple angles like if was a big play on a sports event even in fing slow mo

Savolainen83
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i wouldnt be happy with trump distracing himself away from NATO issues if was me
 
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CodeRedR51
The worst part about Kirk being shot today is that all the news is on him, and nobody cares about the continued plague in this country with school shootings. Yet another one will slip under the radar.
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that is sad too, another thing is the debate of mental issues in us and another countries should also be also not related to it, for shootings teyselfes just gun control wont be enough to deal with with shooters, since people in other countries do the same bad things with knifes or even run overs with cars (i heared it is increasling becoming common in asia unfortunately)

i hate when media overal only care about mental health when someone famous ends its own life or when shooting or some type of school violence happens, like if we had no isssues until something REALLY BAD happens
 
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meganinja
everyone lets beat gays and mexicans on street and **** them
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But... this is literally what they say! Openly! Particularly when it comes to trans people.

I understand you're probably not a trans person, so you probably haven't been subjected to this kind of rhetoric, but I have had my life directly and overtly threatened, in public, because of people like Charlie Kirk.
 
Aphelion
But... this is literally what they say! Openly! Particularly when it comes to trans people.

I understand you're probably not a trans person, so you probably haven't been subjected to this kind of rhetoric, but I have had my life directly and overtly threatened, in public, because of people like Charlie Kirk.
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I have a friend who used to be a coworker that is trans, and she has been openly scared for her life since Trump took office.
 
meganinja
i am not on college anymore, but i am sure if i was still on college age as once was, i would think his argumentation totally idiot and wouldnt be convicing by him
if I was part of debate, i would use his gang violence argument to imply that transgenders werent the biggest shooters, it would be a epic "own" moment that certainly someone would record it even if they were right wingers, since there has so many cameras to the point we saw his killing from multiple angles like if was a big play on a sports event even in fing slow mo
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I mean, props to you if you can hold your own against Kirk's nonsense, but it definitely wouldn't be as straight forward as that. Kirk, like all political influencers, would definitely have a way to twist & turn your point into a whole new direction. Probably even start gish galloping on you.
 
Aphelion
I understand you're probably not a trans person, so you probably haven't been subjected to this kind of rhetoric
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i have transgender friends and i had dated one myself in the past, i am aware of the issues beacuse i saw them myself
i think we should get better on the debates about it and this why i feel that killing people we dont agree with it only exageratess the problem beacuse it more than likey will create a pushback

remember, the actual anti-trangender wave started beacuse someone decided to do justice with their own hands shooting a church, if she has not decided to do it, i am sure the usual hate would be the same, but i doubt people would doing stupid memes about it or be debating the corelation between transgendeers and shootings like krik did before die

Carbonox
When literally the first thing I learned about this bozo was this
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i am sure that putin wont stop attack other countries beacuse a right winger suffered a political death bro, in this case i think he may double down knowingg people on usa forgot about it and will focus on other tthings

also again, he is a maytir now, so wharever he talked may had growth even relevancy for good for to evil

McLaren
Probably even start gish galloping on you.
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if he used adhominen it woould mean i would had won the debate, so i would feel satisfied independltly what others may think

McLaren
props to you if you can hold your own against Kirk's nonsense
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i am sure others may hold on their own without having to resort to violence as well
 
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meganinja
i am sure that putin wont stop attack other countries beacuse a right winger suffered a political death bro, in this case i think he may double down knowingg people on usa forgot about it and will focus on other tthings
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I doubt anyone's expecting anything different.

On principle, the only place Putin's cucks belong to is still 6 feet under.
 
Carbonox
On principle, the only place Putin's cucks belong to is still 6 feet under.
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even you killed eveyone influential that agreed somehow with putin or would agree slighttly with him, less known people would agree with him in a way or another, or other influential people would come out

this is another reason that violence isnt the awnser beacuse sometimes violence is a stupid decision per se, if even hitler ending his own life hasnt killed the idea of nazism and anti-semitism, imagine putin and russia

it would only end if you killed putin and even there has the chance of someone else would take over his desires
 
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meganinja
if he used adhominen it woould mean i would had won the debate, so i would feel satisfied independltly what others may think
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Ironically, that's a part of his debate strategy & belief; to make you frustrated, so you resort to off-topic attacks. He uses that to then frame the other side as evidence they are weak & incapable.

i am sure others may hold on their own without having to resort to violence as well
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Doesn't matter to him. You're not used for views & clout if you don't react the way he wants, so you are "forgotten" whilst he just repeats his nonsense to his audience and onto the next person.

However, someone didn't resort to violence over his nonsensical debate tactics. The guy dog-whistled hate & asinine ideas like God & white people were at risk of extinction. Clearly, someone today snapped & had enough of him. Whilst one may not condone it, Kirk's actions & statements over the last 10 years have made it incredibly easy to also feel no empathy towards him. Which, by his standards, is just how he'd like it b/c empathy is "a new & damaging idea" he didn't like. Works for me.
 
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McLaren
Ironically, that's a part of his debate strategy & belief; to make you frustrated, so you resort to off-topic attacks. He uses that to then frame the other side as evidence they are weak & incapable.


Doesn't matter to him. You're not used for views & clout if you don't react the way he wants, so you are "forgotten" whilst he just repeats his nonsense to his audience and onto the next person.

However, someone didn't resort to violence over his nonsensical debate tactics. The guy dog-whistled hate & asinine ideas like God & white people were at risk of extinction. Clearly, someone today snapped & had enough of him. Whilst one may not condone it, Kirk's actions & statements over the last 10 years have made it incredibly easy to also feel no empathy towards him. Which, by his standards, is just how he'd like it b/c empathy is "a new & damaging idea" he didn't like. Works for me.
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There's a 50% chance the White House and Republicans will treat him as a martyr.
 
meganinja
i have transgender friends and i had dated one myself in the past, i am aware of the issues beacuse i saw them myself
i think we should get better on the debates about it and this why i feel that killing people we dont agree with it only exageratess the problem beacuse it more than likey will create a pushback

remember, the actual anti-trangender wave started beacuse someone decided to do justice with their own hands shooting a church, if she has not decided to do it, i am sure the usual hate would be the same, but i doubt people would doing stupid memes about it or be debating the corelation between transgendeers and shootings like krik did before die


i am sure that putin wont stop attack other countries beacuse a right winger suffered a political death bro, in this case i think he may double down knowingg people on usa forgot about it and will focus on other tthings

also again, he is a maytir now, so wharever he talked may had growth even relevancy for good for to evil



if he used adhominen it woould mean i would had won the debate, so i would feel satisfied independltly what others may think



i am sure others may hold on their own without having to resort to violence as well
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Arguing with Kirk is pointless because, as I said, its never in good faith, and there is no "winning" because the whole premise is a construct to further his own ego and clout. BEST case scenario, you shut him down - it would never air and nobody would ever know. There is literally no point in communicating with somebody like that. Like other MAGA stars, Kirk was a clout-chasing melomaniac narcissist - not a principled debater.
 

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