America - The Official Thread

[meganinja]

Ironically, that's a part of his debate strategy & belief; to make you frustrated, so you resort to off-topic attacks. He uses that to then frame the other side as evidence they are weak & incapable.

no no, i would not be annoyed and left, quite opposite, i would use his debate strategy against him on this case if he tried to use adhonien or other simmila things

The guy dog-whistled hate & asinine ideas like God & white people were at risk of extinction.

here is the problem: to some right-learning persons, they think they trully are at life risk, even before meet kirk
also, they think that most-left learning talking points are "asinine ideas", while not necessaly advocating or suppoting for minorities deaths or violence agnaist minorites or something like that, they belive that there should have other priorities that should be done before focus on left talking points
and amongg those peoples, it includes non-white right wings as well, remember, Trump won largely among latinos last year, even with them willgly knowing about his anti-immigrant rethoric

so, i ask you this question: Do you think that those people will feel less threatened when they discover that someone that share their ideas withh was shoot to death due it? Do you think that they will see as indication that their ideas was wrong or will see as a confirmation of anyhing they feared was correct?

its not about empaty with the one that died, its about being smart to undestand that some things are not working, and that double down on them is only causing even more harm and trouble

BEST case scenario, you shut him down - it would never air and nobody would ever know.

depending of how debate went, i am sure it would go somehow on social media, i already had saw some videos of people debunking him before and again, his death was show by multiple angles like was a super bowl play highlight, even in slow mo to the point i think i wont even be able to sleep right tonight

 

[McLaren]

here is the problem: to some right-learning persons, they think they trully are at life risk, even before meet kirk

Then, they are morons.

also, they think that most-left learning talking points are "asinine ideas", while not necessaly advocating or suppoting for minorities deaths or violence agnaist minorites or something like that, they belive that there should have other priorities that should be done before focus on left talking points

Priorities such as what? America first? Lol, they voted for an administration still giving money to Israel & has enacted trade policies that will significantly hurt America than prioritize its success. Food, gas, groceries are all up, but there's no brown folks around? 'Murica, amirite?

and amongg those peoples, it includes non-white right wings as well, remember, Trump won largely among latinos last year, even with them willgly knowing about his anti-immigrant rethoric

They were warned beforehand, now it's past the point of anymore discussion with them; they voted for it, they're now dealing with it.

so, i ask you this question: Do you think that those people will feel less threatened when they discover that someone that share their ideas withh was shoot to death due it? Do you think that they will see as indication that their ideas was wrong or will see as a confirmation of anyhing they feared was correct?

Those people were never going to change their mind to begin with. Rational thought doesn't exist in a cult. They think Kirk was killed for simply expressing "opinions", "opinions" that consisted of spouting off absolute diatribe that had zero benefit to society.

its not about empaty with the one that died, its about being smart to undestand that some things are not working, and that double down on them is only causing even more harm and trouble

The left side of America has already been there & done that. Gun violence needs to be addressed, yet conservatives consistently double down 2A must not be infringed. As has been shared in the thread, Kirk ironically died as someone who thought gun deaths were an acceptable trade-off to have 2A rights, and he ended up dead in a state where all you need is a background check, open carry is legal, & 18 year olds can purchase rifles, but you gotta be 21 to buy a handgun.

 

[TexRex]

was

The most beautiful god damn word in the English language.

Edit: The bitch's shooting was a false flag?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Who would have thought that a lot of people I follow on Instagram are supporters of this guy. Maybe it't time to clean house.

Edit: Am I the only one seeing similarities here to Nazi Germany? Left = Jews. This time nothing to do with religion but political views.

 

[Darla Starch]

Edit: Am I the only one seeing similarities here to Nazi Germany? Left = Jews. This time nothing to do with religion but political views.

Not the only one, had that come to mind around the first attempt on Donny last year

Kinda related but vibes rn:

 

[05XR8]

The most beautiful god damn word in the English language.

Edit: The bitch's shooting was a false flag?

Was he screaming, “I’m a Democrat!” while being apprehended? Asking for a friend.

Close enough.

 

[TexRex]

If Kash Patel is so incompetent how do you explain this?

 

[meganinja]

Priorities such as what? America first? Lol, they voted for an administration still giving money to Israel & has enacted trade policies that will significantly hurt America than prioritize its success.

First of all, most of ,republicans independently of race, tend to mostly support Israel due religious reasons, so due its base being so pro-Israel, he ends up motivated to support it, he could give 99% of GDP to Israel in defense weapons and they wouldnt bother beacuse its part of their own faith that Israel MUST be protected and really wants Trump to do it

religion asides, the trade polices were also part of the reason they voted for Trump twice, they wanted someone that was tough ith the other coountries and was pro-protecionism, specially those on rust belt (he pratically sweept the rust belt beacuse of it)
that is how trump won 2016 on the first place, people were mad that their jobs were moving away to mexico/canada/asia and politticans in goverment wasnt even offering a alternative for it, Trump not only was promicing a alternative, but he also promised the jobs back even if the way to get those back was hard

They were warned beforehand, now it's past the point of anymore discussion with them; they voted for it, they're now dealing with it.

do you would vote on someone that would provide full public healthcare, but willingly knowning he would ban all cars and car-related content from the country, specially McLarens and racing, day one?

Those people were never going to change their mind to begin with. Rational thought doesn't exist in a cult. They think Kirk was killed for simply expressing "opinions", "opinions" that consisted of spouting off absolute diatribe that had zero benefit to society.

funny you tell me that, beacuse is very same thing right-wingers talk about the left
they say that left wingets are morally too much corupted, that they are part of a death-cult (or infected by a mind-virus) and tthat that all left-wing opinions give zero benefit to society, quite opposite, they belive that left-wing thinking will bring the downfall of everyhing of society they want to protect dearly

Left = Jews

funnly you mention it beacuse left nowadays tend to be very anti-semite while most mainstream right-wing nowadays not only support israel, but is winning the anti-anti-semiism rethoric for theyselfes

that asides, its more like first civil war with the people that wanted be part of crown (and ended up going live in canada) vs the people that wanted free theyselfes from the crown (and ended up doing the united states) than WW2, speciall since both sides are hutting each other for disageements

Who would have thought that a lot of people I follow on Instagram are supporters of this guy. Maybe it't time to clean house.

you do you, but i also feel that social media bubbles is part of problem, i think we should be insentiving to hear oppositing ideas all the time on social media
but, i am aware that all social medias would go under a week after it due all division that is going on nowadays lol

The bitch's shooting was a false flag?

i knew someone would bring this idea up eventually up lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[TexRex]

i knew someone would bring this idea up eventually up lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo

Not sure you left a long enough trail.

 

[meganinja]

Not sure you left a long enough trail.

you can belive you want, but assume that "it happened with my political opponent so should be fake as hell" is stupid a lot to think at in myy opiion
first of all, why Trump would like to kill a close ally and someone had had defended him even at on his worst moment post 2021 loss?

 

[CodeRedR51]

i think we should be insentiving to hear oppositing ideas all the time on social media

Not when it makes you completely disgusted.

 

[meganinja]

Not when it makes you completely disgusted.

i am aware that all social medias would go under a week after it due all division that is going on nowadays lol

it was wishful thinking, bubbles and echo chambbers on social media happen exactly beacuse most people tend to prefer people that agree with them

 

[CodeRedR51]

it was wishful thinking, bubbles and echo chambbers on social media happen exactly beacuse most people tend to prefer people that agree with them

I prefer to keep politics out of my feeds.

 

[meganinja]

I prefer to keep politics out of my feeds.

me too, to be honest

 

[TexRex]

you can belive you want, but assume that "it happened with my political opponent so should be fake as hell" is stupid a lot to think at in myy opiion
first of all, why Trump would like to kill a close ally and someone had had defended him even at on his worst moment post 2021 loss?

Do you understand that the Reichstag fire, the event that the bitch in the screenshot was comparing to Kirk's shooting, was a false flag? Taking that into consideration, do you think it's more likely that I was claiming the shooting was a false flag or that I was mocking the bitch in the screenshot implying as much, even if that wasn't their intent?

 

[meganinja]

Do you understand that the Reichstag fire, the event that the bitch in the screenshot was comparing to Kirk's shooting, was a false flag? Taking that into consideration, do you think it's more likely that I was claiming the shooting was a false flag or that I was mocking the bitch in the screenshot implying as much, even if that wasn't their intent?

Yes,and this why i assumed you was implying that, specially since it was the same reaction some had last year Trump assacination attempt, they started claming it was a false flag for some random reason

but, if you dont meant it, i apoligize for mistoonding it and not saw the irony and the sacasm, i tend to not detect irony easyly, i guess is due my autism

 

[McLaren]

First of all, most of ,republicans independently of race, tend to mostly support Israel due religious reasons, so due its base being so pro-Israel, he ends up motivated to support it, he could give 99% of GDP to Israel in defense weapons and they wouldnt bother beacuse its part of their own faith that Israel MUST be protected and really wants Trump to do it

That's pre-current Administration. There is a large number of Republicans not happy money keeps going to Israel.

religion asides, the trade polices were also part of the reason they voted for Trump twice, they wanted someone that was tough ith the other coountries and was pro-protecionism, specially those on rust belt (he pratically sweept the rust belt beacuse of it)
that is how trump won 2016 on the first place, people were mad that their jobs were moving away to mexico/canada/asia and politticans in goverment wasnt even offering a alternative for it, Trump not only was promicing a alternative, but he also promised the jobs back even if the way to get those back was hard

And they're all morons for it.

do you would vote on someone that would provide full public healthcare, but willingly knowning he would ban all cars and car-related content from the country, specially McLarens and racing, day one?

If you're going to conjure up a theoretical, come up with something actually realistic.

funny you tell me that, beacuse is very same thing right-wingers talk about the left
they say that left wingets are morally too much corupted, that they are part of a death-cult (or infected by a mind-virus) and tthat that all left-wing opinions give zero benefit to society, quite opposite, they belive that left-wing thinking will bring the downfall of everyhing of society they want to protect dearly

That's called projection, the right is infamous for it. "The left likes child groomers!" - Republican Party is currently considering the release of the Epstein files a hostile act.

funnly you mention it beacuse left nowadays tend to be very anti-semite while most mainstream right-wing nowadays not only support israel, but is winning the anti-anti-semiism rethoric for theyselfes

1: Being anti-Israel/IDF is not antisemitism.
2: The right has "Jewish Space Lasers" & literal ******* Nazis who believe Jews are the downfall of the world.

The only reason right-wingers have a deep vested interest in Israel is b/c it is the birthplace of Christianity & religious right-wingers believe Israel is vital to their end time/Rapture.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The only reason right-wingers have a deep vested interest in Israel is b/c it is the birthplace of Christianity & religious right-wingers believe Israel is vital to their end time/Rapture.

And because Israelis kill all the Muslims they wish they had the pretext to.

 

[dylansan]

Gavin Newsom wants to "continue the work" of Charlie Kirk, while failing to describe the actual ideas he put forth to be "tested".

Ideas like, Jewish people control “not just the colleges; it’s the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it.”

Ideas like, MLK was "awful" and "not a good person."

Ideas like "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

Ideas like, stoning of gay people is "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters".

I'm not surprised Newsom wasn't specific about the "work" he wanted to continue.

 

[TexRex]

Yes,and this why i assumed you was implying that

I didn't imply anything. I literally just asked a question. Do you understand how questions work?

Being anti-Israel/IDF is not antisemitism.

I agree with you broadly, but some still find a way to make it antisemitic. For example, the Israeli embassy or any of the Israeli consulates are appropriate venues at which to protest the actions of the Israeli government as they are effectively government satellites. A random Jewish temple or restaurant, however, is not appropriate.

 

[Abyss1]

Gavin Newsom wants to "continue the work" of Charlie Kirk, while failing to describe the actual ideas he put forth to be "tested".

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Ideas like, Jewish people control “not just the colleges; it’s the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it.”

Ideas like, MLK was "awful" and "not a good person."

Ideas like "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

Ideas like, stoning of gay people is "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters".

I'm not surprised Newsom wasn't specific about the "work" he wanted to continue.

Californian here…not a fan of his
Gavin’s a pretty crappy politician, got recalled and used to and probably still is in the pockets with oil companies. Kept his winery open in Napa during Covid and told other wineries they had to close. I think he said at one point he respected Regan and Nixons politics because the way were both Californian representatives

Also he’s Pelosi’s grand nephews, so there may be some nepotism with how he got to be governor

 

[meganinja]

That's pre-current Administration. There is a large number of Republicans not happy money keeps going to Israel.

nope, still 71% of republicans still support it by a recent poll and that tends to be historical average levels
numbers are only falling down due independents and democrats that tend to be that not religious

If you're going to conjure up a theoretical, come up with something actually realistic.

its grouned on reality, there has some people that straight want to ban gas-powered cars

That's called projection, the right is infamous for it.

the right also says the left does projection even queote a marx phrase about "Accuse Them of What You Are Doing" or somethingg like that

The right has "Jewish Space Lasers" & literal ******* Nazis who believe Jews are the downfall of the world

Those exist, but are a small bubble, kinda like there has crazy left wingers that openly defend russia from invade ukranie, they are just a crazy minority

but some still find a way to make it antisemitic. For example, the Israeli embassy or any of the Israeli consulates are appropriate venues at which to speak protest the actions of the Israeli government as they are effectively government satellites. A random Jewish temple or restaurant, however, is not appropriate.

that is what i mean with anti-semitism, people straight are attacking jews for no other reason when they arent even in Israel in the first place, i totally undestand protest netanyahu, but i dont see reasoning why attack someone random on street just bbeacuse he is jewish or use a kippah

Do you understand how questions work?

yes, surely, but i had not noticied it was a ironic/sacastic question

Newsom wants to "continue the work" of Charlie Kirk

he is trying to win points with the independents, just it, Zohran Mamdani also said something simillar early today as well
even if was empty, i feel that this type of discorse better than something inflamatory, specially if republicans would have a field day with it just like they are with all inflamatory cuts of people talking on debate shows

also i feel that the last thing we need now is more calls for deaths or say that someone´s death was deserved, again stuffs like that can influence confirmation bias of some people negivally

 

[McLaren]

nope, still 71% of republicans still support it by a recent poll and that tends to be historical average levels
numbers are only falling down due independents and democrats that tend to be that not religious

That 30% is exactly who I'm referring to.

its grouned on reality, there has some people that straight want to ban gas-powered cars

At the benefit of socialized medicine? No.

the right also says the left does projection even queote a marx phrase about "Accuse Them of What You Are Doing" or somethingg like that

If the right are claiming others are quoting a Marxist phrase that goes, "Accuse them of what you are doing", you're literally confirming what I said that the right projects.

Those exist, but are a small bubble, kinda like there has crazy left wingers that openly defend russia from invade ukranie, they are just a crazy minority

A crazy minority that currently occupies positions in Congress and other offices in government. Don't "both sides" ******** here.

 

[Tornado]

Ironically, that's a part of his debate strategy & belief; to make you frustrated, so you resort to off-topic attacks

Tactic didn't work out so great for him this time though.

 

[meganinja]

At the benefit of socialized medicine? No.

not directly, but a X candidate can promote socialized medicine while also promote a ban on gas-fueled cars, even in non-related points

its was the same with mexicans and trump, while they dont agreed with imigration, they wanted favor the economy, crime control and education, the pools even before the election was point to this

Don't "both sides" ******** here.

im doing both sides beacuse i belive both sides extemism are being very toxic to society right now, as we saw today with the death of someone and the reckless celebration of it without minding the consequencies of such act

while i dont like the right, i also dont like the left beacuse of moments like that, rejoicing in the blood of someone, no matter who is, is something i dont want to do

 

[Tornado]

"The consequences of said act" is that there's one less grifter openly advocating for violent acts to be done against minority groups that are considered by fascists to be easier to get the overall public against. Anything else that comes from someone giving him a half-mile tracheotomy are was already on its way to happening, in no small part due to the kind of thing he was in the middle of doing when it happened.

 

[eran0004]

The most beautiful god damn word in the English language.

Edit: The bitch's shooting was a false flag?

Children shot dead in schools. Conservatives: "It's unfortunate, but a price I'm willing to pay to allow the second amendment to protect all of our other rights. Because freedom."

Conservative shot dead. Conservatives: "Hang on, isn't freedom a liberal idea? Maybe we should lean more into Hitler and his ideas."

 

[Tornado]

Children shot dead in schools. Conservatives: "It's unfortunate, but a price I'm willing to pay to allow the second amendment to protect all of our other rights. Because freedom."

Conservative shot dead. Conservatives: "Hang on, isn't freedom a liberal idea? Maybe we should lean more into Hitler and his ideas."

It's the same thing as it has been in the past week.

"We aren't the only ones who are willing to resort to political violence? We should start regulating guns."

 

[McLaren]

while i dont like the right, i also dont like the left beacuse of moments like that, rejoicing in the blood of someone, no matter who is, is something i dont want to do

Lol, not even remotely close to being the same. Libs are mocking the death of Kirk the way the right mocked the death of the Hartmans & the attack on Paul Pelosi. The difference is right-wing extremism then carries on advocating for ideology of violence. When the Hartmans were attacked, liberals weren't advocating for violence against the right. Meanwhile, people like Laura Loomer are already using the death to claim all liberal groups should be outlawed & Kirk should be avenged (even though the dumb ***** just days ago said Kirk was a traitor to Trump).

 

[meganinja]

mocked the death of the Hartmans & the attack on Paul Pelosi.

not even close, in fact, if you had not told me earlier today that it happened i would not even know this happened, that is how much the right and social media overall cared about it, they just ingored or were indiference mostly
meanwhile, each time i try check the news about it on social media, i get 10 different posts of people bragging about the fact he is dead

in fact, in this very threat we have some of it, what leads me to

"The consequences of said act" is that there's one less grifter openly advocating for violent acts to be done against minority groups that are considered by fascists to be easier to get the overall public against.

you aware that he is going become a maytr? not just it, as i mentioned before, it gives people reasons to belive that the left is hunting them, something trump really captalized before and after his assacinaion attempt "the only thing between the left and you guys is me, this why they are hunting me down"
Trump even mentioned the impact of his death during the national speech "Today, beacuse of this heynous act, Charlie´s voice became bigger and grander than ever before", he is aware that many people will get curious about him and even like some things he had talked or wrote before, not mentioning the fans he had that will likely be even more emotionally attached with him

also there even more risk of copycats that started with Luigi and likely will will continue with Kirk´s killer as well, now that worked twice, things will even get worst about it while on the part of the right, there has even citations that it was akin to act of war, that it wont be the last attack on the right and that people should be ready for more, while calling the goverment to do something

as i told early today, instead of put water on the fire, peoople are putting 100% destilated alchool on it, the fire is getting out and out of control and i cannot see this ending in something good, more and more i feel that a civil war is ineviable