America - The Official Thread

[Nessy]

as i told early today, instead of put water on the fire, peoople are putting 100% destilated alchool on it, the fire is getting out and out of control and i cannot see this ending in something good, more and more i feel that a civil war is ineviable

If there is ever a civil war, it will be because of Trump and the right wing Republicans, no one else.

 

[Scaff]

i have transgender friends and i had dated one myself in the past, i am aware of the issues beacuse i saw them myself
i think we should get better on the debates about it and this why i feel that killing people we dont agree with it only exageratess the problem beacuse it more than likey will create a pushback

That pushback is already harming and killing trans-people, you seem to be backwards in the direction of pushback here.

remember, the actual anti-trangender wave started beacuse someone decided to do justice with their own hands shooting a church, if she has not decided to do it, i am sure the usual hate would be the same, but i doubt people would doing stupid memes about it or be debating the corelation between transgendeers and shootings like krik did before die

Well that's a messed up rewritting of history, "the actual anti-trangender wave started" stretchs back far, far further that that.

First of all, most of ,republicans independently of race, tend to mostly support Israel due religious reasons, so due its base being so pro-Israel, he ends up motivated to support it, he could give 99% of GDP to Israel in defense weapons and they wouldnt bother beacuse its part of their own faith that Israel MUST be protected and really wants Trump to do it

A very basic (and fundamentally flawed) understanding of the support, evangelical Christians don't support Israel because they support Jews, they support Israel because its existence is needed for the second coming of Christ, which they believe will result in the destruction of Israel!

‘This war is prophetically significant’: why US evangelical Christians support Israel

One strand of evangelical theology holds that the return of Jews to the region starts the clock ticking on a seven-year armageddon, after which Jesus Christ will return

www.theguardian.com

 

[TexRex]

lol. lmao.

 

[meganinja]

Well that's a messed up rewritting of history, "the actual anti-trangender wave started" stretchs back far, far further that that.

its not rewriting, what i mean that the minneapolis shooting re-ignineted the anti-trangender debate, specially associating them with shootings overall a thing that i never heaed before the shooting be a thing

A very basic (and fundamentally flawed) understanding of the support, evangelical Christians don't support Israel because they support Jews, they support Israel because its existence is needed for the second coming of Christ, which they believe will result in the destruction of Israel!

I am from a Christian family with part of family living in the US bible belt, what you are saying is totally misguided and not trully undestanding of the reason people belive
yes, its existence is indeed needed, but not the total destruction of Israel, that is not correct and is a misinterpretation
Its often teached since children that one of reasons for the second coming is exactly to protect Israel and its people from its total destruction at the "final war" known as Armageddon, when its profetized that all the armies of the world, by control of a evil figure will try put those armies around Israel and try seize its control, even maneging to control part of region for some time before the war

its also teached that after the victory on the war, Jesus will rule over israel and the rest of world while both jewish people and christians overall will come together as one people, and live with him during those 1000 years before the ressuection of the dead souls and the final judgement

another thing that is often said and preached around protestant circles, which reinforces the support for israel, is that people should pray for the well being of Israel and jewish people beacuse God orders us to, even some assuming that if not done so, it would bring a curse upon us beacuse they are God´s choosen people, and that general majority hate/dislke for Israel with a desire for its destruction is considered a signal of the coming of those profetic times, for some (due the palestian war) this final hate towards Israel already happening

 

[McLaren]

not even close, in fact, if you had not told me earlier today that it happened i would not even know this happened, that is how much the right and social media overall cared about it, they just ingored or were indiference mostly

Yeah, they didn't care about it at all.

Late Sunday night, Trump Jr. shared an image on social media of a hammer and a pair of underwear with the words “Got my Paul Pelosi Halloween costume ready.” Trump Jr. wrote: “The Internet remains undefeated.” (Sidebar: I’m not going to share a link to Trump Jr.’s post. You can find it on the internet if you so choose.)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/31/politics/donald-trump-jr-paul-pelosi-reaction

If there was a telling recent moment when it comes to how ugly our political discourse has become, it might well have been the brutal 2022 hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul.

Soon after the attack on the then-82-year-old man, misinformation flowed about Paul Pelosi and the attacker, David DePape. But it wasn’t just right-wing influencers leading the charge; it was also the likes of then-former President Donald Trump, Elon Musk and a coterie of prominent Republicans.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/16/politics/mike-lee-political-violence-claims-analysis

Nearly three years ago, a man violently attacked then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband in the Democrat’s Bay Area home. Paul Pelosi was nearly killed in the assault, but that didn’t stop a variety of Republican voices — including members of Congress — from taking turns downplaying, mocking and trading in disinformation about the violence, even as he lay in a hospital bed.

Donald Trump’s reaction was especially ugly, as the then-former president embraced a bonkers conspiracy theory about the attack, which he continued to joke about as recently as last fall.

Maddow Blog | Dem senator confronts Mike Lee over his ‘cruel’ response to Minnesota lawmaker shootings

"I wanted him to know how much pain that caused me and the other people in my state," Democratic Sen. Tina Smith said, referring to Republican Sen. Mike Lee.

www.yahoo.com

Remind me again how we should be feeling sorry for this stain on society as he sits just a few years calling for the release of a man who hit an old man in the head with a hammer b/c of political differences.

 

[Tornado]

not even close, in fact, if you had not told me earlier today that it happened i would not even know this happened, that is how much the right and social media overall cared about it, they just ingored or were indiference mostly
meanwhile, each time i try check the news about it on social media, i get 10 different posts of people bragging about the fact he is dead

in fact, in this very threat we have some of it, what leads me to

you aware that he is going become a maytr? not just it, as i mentioned before, it gives people reasons to belive that the left is hunting them, something trump really captalized before and after his assacinaion attempt "the only thing between the left and you guys is me, this why they are hunting me down"
Trump even mentioned the impact of his death during the national speech "Today, beacuse of this heynous act, Charlie´s voice became bigger and grander than ever before", he is aware that many people will get curious about him and even like some things he had talked or wrote before, not mentioning the fans he had that will likely be even more emotionally attached with him

also there even more risk of copycats that started with Luigi and likely will will continue with Kirk´s killer as well, now that worked twice, things will even get worst about it while on the part of the right, there has even citations that it was akin to act of war, that it wont be the last attack on the right and that people should be ready for more, while calling the goverment to do something

as i told early today, instead of put water on the fire, peoople are putting 100% destilated alchool on it, the fire is getting out and out of control and i cannot see this ending in something good, more and more i feel that a civil war is ineviable

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't a right wing troll yourself, who only keeps both sidesing political violence because you want people to normalize the current government's intended status quo where fascists become increasingly embedded into every aspect of the federal government while the opposition sends strongly worded letters and rolls over. I'll instead just hope you're naive to the point of foolishness when I say the following to you:

There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country. It's a widely celebrated aspect of American culture by a sizeable portion of the political spectrum. It would be better for everyone if there was a realization that the ones who talk that big game about needing guns for the protection from a tyrannical government are not, in fact, the only ones in this country who have guns. This is probably a particularly important truth when it comes to the outspoken loudmouth grifters who think they can openly advocate violence against whatever group they have decided they deem an "other" not worthy of rights, acting like they are immune to any consequences because they are the tastemakers when it comes to crafting policy; when they are actually just some random jagoff civilian. I'm sure Charlie Kirk woke up yesterday thinking much more about how he could twist himself into knots the following day to blame Harris voters for 9/11 while doing one of his fireside chats with Alex Jones listeners than he thought how awesome it would be to be shot in the throat and die horribly because that meant people who listened to him anyway would think he was right all along.

 

[meganinja]

i dont like the crude humor of south park but that is too much
people exagerate on those calls

Remind me again how we should be feeling sorry for this stain on society as he sits just a few years calling for the release of a man who hit an old man in the head with a hammer b/c of political differences.

first of all the thing I meant that i dont knew was the killing of the 2 democrats few months ago, those you linked were about the hammer situation 3 years ago, trump wasnt even on white house, it was under biden adiminstation... also, he hasnt not died and is thankfuy still alive, unlike kirk, so it is different weights, it is more comparrable to trump attempt that people from all sides makes jokes about it to this day

do i agree with the jokes that people done with the hammer situation? no i dont
do it jusify kill someone another?

 

[McLaren]

first of all the thing I meant that i dont knew was the killing of the 2 democrats few months ago, those you linked were about the hammer situation 3 years ago, trump wasnt even on white house, it was under biden adiminstation... also, he hasnt not died and is thankfuy still alive, unlike kirk, so it is different weights, it is more comparrable to trump attempt that people from all sides makes jokes about it to this day

I show they went gaga over it, mocking it over a year later, and all you can resort to is, "Well, it's uh, different b/c Paul lived. And uh, Trump wasn't President". Like it matters beyond the fact they relentlessly mocked an old man being nearly beaten to death when you claimed they didn't care enough to.

You've shifted the goal posts and proven that dead douche would've definitely made a fool out of you in a debate.

 

[TexRex]

i dont like the crude humor of south park but that is too much
people exagerate on those calls

That's nice.

first of all the thing I meant that i dont knew was the killing of the 2 democrats few months ago, those you linked were about the hammer situation 3 years ago, trump wasnt even on white house, it was under biden adiminstation... also, he hasnt not died and is thankfuy still alive, unlike kirk, so it is different weights, it is more comparrable to trump attempt that people from all sides makes jokes about it to this day

do i agree with the jokes that people done with the hammer situation? no i dont
do it jusify kill someone another?

Do you reject the idea that callous responses to heinous acts may inform the responses to heinous acts perpetrated against the bitch what responded so callously?

 

[meganinja]

who only keeps both sidesing political violence because you want people to normalize the current government's intended status quo where fascists become increasingly embedded into every aspect of the federal government

if wasnt clear for what i said before, i also dont like the actual goverment, and i see various issues with them
i just prefer not have a political side myself and form my own opinions, i use the term centrist sometimes but even nowadays this terrm is banalized by what you mentioned as trolls

It would be better for everyone if there was a realization that the ones who talk that big game about needing guns for the protection from a tyrannical government are not, in fact, the only ones in this country who have guns.

i respectfuly disagree, let me ask you a question; what makes you think that they wouldnt double down in use those arms they have back to you if now they, finally, after all this time waiting, they finally have a reason to use it? THAT is what worries me about, the inevitable backlash of the situation
as i mentioned, those people think they are under persecution as much you you think that you are under persecution, do you think they will just curl and bendover with the fear of being next kirk or that they will desire to awnser some way politically or even violently?

the biggest problem is that we are embbbed from survival instincts and it makes us do dumb things, if we feel threatened we humans are capable to do the stupiest things for survival

 

[meganinja]

Do you reject the idea that callous responses to heinous acts may inform the responses to heinous acts perpetrated against the bitch what responded so callously?

your quesstion was confused but from what i got, no i dont agree that act stupid justify acting violent with someone, independelty of political side
someone had told that, the best way we critizise someone is debating or ridicualize him and show how absourd this person is, i guess that even if dont like their style of humor, the south park team is a exemple on one of those nails good on the latter part of this phrase

 

[TexRex]

your quesstion was confused but from what i got, no i dont agree that act stupid justify acting violent with someone, independelty of political side
someone had told that, the best way we critizise someone is debating or ridicualize him and show how absourd this person is, i guess that even if dont like their style of humor, the south park team is a exemple on one of those nails good on the latter part of this phrase

I think you need to read what I asked again because this is not a coherent response to it.

 

[meganinja]

I think you need to read what I asked again because this is not a coherent response to it.

as i told i honestly felt confused with the question, can you elaborated a bit?

 

[TexRex]

as i told i honestly felt confused with the question, can you elaborated a bit?

Do you understand that Charlie Kirk made light of the brutal attack on Paul Pelosi?

A simple yes or no is all that's necessary so that I may rule out what has you confused. I'm likely to disregard anything else unless it's actually relevant.

 

[meganinja]

Do you understand that Charlie Kirk made light of the brutal attack on Paul Pelosi?

made light in the sense he acted positivly to the attack? yes i saw the video that was posted on the thread
but, i dont see it as a reason to shoot him or if makes his death justifieable, you could say that "he reaped what he sew" but for me, violence only breeds more violence, so to me is not a option someone should do

like i mentioned on my first response to your question, I feel that has better ways to deal with right-wing commentadors, is doing what south park had done, ridicualizing them and showing their absourdity
even if they use "shock/dark humor" (that i tend too not like), from the episodes i saw (

Spoiler: recent episode spoiler

including the recent episode they imply trump was suing everyone, even jesus

) always handled the situation of talk with current evens with top notch

this why for exemple, no one, outside of the very fringe right wing, takes alex jones seriously anymore, beacuse he was ridcularized into oblivion by even inside some right-wing circles, so much that the first thing i remember when i see his face, i remember the montages joking his theories or the podcast cut where he tells that he is dumb and idiot before people start laughing at him

 

[Tornado]

i respectfuly disagree, let me ask you a question; what makes you think that they wouldnt double down in use those arms they have back to you if now they, finally, after all this time waiting, they finally have a reason to use it?

Because right wing grifters want to grift stupid people for personal gain by turning those stupid people against vulnerable people. Far fewer of them would be willing to do so if they actually had to face the things they are advocating themselves. We know this for a fact because saw it when we saw Josh Hawley running like a scared little bitch on camera away from the insurrectionists Trump sicced on Congress after he posed to be photographed cheering them on just a couple hours earlier when he went in the Capitol.


In the meantime, there not only not being any consequences for these assholes doing what they are doing but actively being encouraged to do it objectively makes things worse for everyone.

as i mentioned, those people think they are under persecution as much you you think that you are under persecution, do you think they will just curl and bendover with the fear of being next kirk or that they will desire to awnser some way politically or even violently?

They already do act violently, as they have been encouraged to do by their fearless leader. This has been pointed out to you countless times in the past page of this thread alone. What you're actively campaigning for here, whether you believe it not it or not, is for the status quo to remain. Right wing loonies can murder protestors, shoot up gay night clubs, attempt to kidnap state governors, assassinate politicians and try to overthrow the government; and all of these things will be at various times be joked about, downplayed and celebrated by the Republicans in US government. But if anyone does anything against a private citizen who has spent years spreading hatred and advocating putative actions against entire swaths of the population essentially because they aren't white and straight enough and god damn no, that's a bridge too far. It's the same argument for how there's been 30 years of school shootings and mall shootings and clock tower shootings and club shootings and casino shootings and nothing can be done, but a transgender person shoots someone and now the second amendment needs to be amended.


Put another way, here's your political advocacy in 140 characters or less:

as i told i honestly felt confused with the question, can you elaborated a bit?

Don't start none, won't be none.

 

[TexRex]

but, i dont see it as a reason to shoot him or if makes his death justifieable, you could say that "he reaped what he sew" but for me, violence only breeds more violence, so to me is not a option someone should do

Did you fall on your head?

 

[Tornado]

I didn't catch this at first:

as i mentioned, those people think they are under persecution as much you you think that you are under persecution

You absolutely do not get to both sides this part. The difference between what the dumb poor white straight redneck living in Kentucky believes is happening to him because assholes like Trump and Charlie Kirk have told him is happening over and over and over again in order to enrich themselves at his expense and the guy who Trump's 30 billion dollar secret police masquerading as border patrol abducted off the street, threw in an internment camp and deported to some random country in the span of a week because he wasn't white believes is happening to him is that one is actually happening.

I don't care about the wholly fabricated fears of people who think they are being persecuted against because they are a white Christian male and grifters keep telling them they are an endangered species. I care about the tangible fears of people who are actually being harmed right now because of the things Charlie Kirk (among others) advocated for and the Trump administration (amongst other Republican politicians) gives validity to.

 

[TexRex]

I hate to be that guy but we shouldn't be accepting the official narrative about cause of death without a full toxicology report.

 

[Tornado]

That's true maybe Charlie Kirk was vaxxed.

 

[meganinja]

is for the status quo to remain. Right wing loonies can murder protestors, shoot up gay night clubs, attempt to kidnap people, assassinate politicians and try to overthrow the government

no? I dont? I just said that violence is not the response, i mean the way that Gandhi freed india from brit empire pacefully or how various people in civil rights moviment acted peacefuly to end color segregation
also, I am not aware of those happening on last 6 months or so, some of those event I vague remember happening isolatedly 3/4 years ago during biden adiminstration, but i am not aware of those happening right now in a way that justify shooting others or use violence

about "shooting protestors" i assume is about Kyle Rittenhouse? or is a recent case that happened recently that i am not aware of?

Put another way, here's your political advocacy in 140 characters or less:

but that is what exactly i meant with not caring/ingnoring vs celebrating
i saw no one in tthe mainstream right-wing celebrating the death of the two democrats the same way people are doing with Kirk, and the reckoning part is the part mentioned as a eventual consequency we will have from today and the celebrations about it

do the right was right in not call the death of 2 democrats? no it wasnt
does justify and celebrate someone else´s death? hell no it doesnt

the left has this thing that annoyes me so much of trying to justify its mistakes using right-wing mistakes expecting that those misakes will fix problems, when make things worse beacuse it makes the right-wing response harder, two wrongs dont make a thing correct

do not get to both sides this part

please stop using this type of bad-faith phrases that you likely learned from some random echo chamber, terms like this are used to disqualify arguments, and to me is the left-wing equivalent of the right-wing argumentation of use someone sexuality/condition/nationality to disqualify his ideas, its annoying and counter-productive...

The difference between what the dumb poor white straight redneck living in Kentucky believes is happening to him because assholes like Trump and Charlie Kirk have told him is happening over and over and over again

...that said, you are wrong on this, kirk dont went down to kentucky and started tricked people like hypnosis, quite opposite, on Brazil we refer this moviment sometimes as "talk with the base/target public", it is often used by left-wing parties here sometimes too, they already knew the grivances of those people and used those grieveances to promote their mensages using it

"why you are poor and jobless? beacuse those pesky democrats hate you to the point they stole your job, sent it the fartest place possible to make you the most poor possible so they can make you forever slave of them"

like mentioned earlier, the 2007-2008 crisis caused a huge loss of work on various regions of USA, work started going to other places, specially asia, while alongside a wave of latin american migrants went to USA due this crisis seeking a better life, without nobody to represent them, this empty political hole was a recepie for diaster that democrats had not handled and ended up with the advent of trump and right-wing media

I don't care about the wholly fabricated fears of people who think they are being persecuted against because they are a white Christian male and grifters keep telling them they are an endangered species. I care about the tangible fears of people who are actually being harmed right now because of the things Charlie Kirk (among others) advocated for and the Trump administration (amongst other Republican politicians) gives validity to.

here is the another thing, not every person that learns center-to-right is a white man, for exemple, Trump won more votes from womans vs 2021 and in total, 47% votes of latinos and 15% votes of blacks voted for him (both up vs 2016/2021)

meanwhile polls indicates that the biggest public kamala appelled to was basically the white/black college graduated woman that wins 200k a year, it shows how democrats were out of touch with those of low income outside of afro-americans, but you know who maneged to undestand them? Kirk and Trump campeagin, again

Those people have true fears and griveances as well, they may not be the same as you or the s**t right-winger commentary says, but they are worried if they will be able to eat tomorrow, if their kids will have new shoes for school, if he will be able to pay morgage so on and on, and feel that the left is not able to give those to them

while you dont undestand the grivieanes of this part of society, you wont be able to win them and them will get more intrested to people like charlie kirk, specially if you act arrogant upon them

Did you fall on your head?

no, im just not used to your way of talking

I hate to be that guy but we shouldn't be accepting the official narrative about cause of death without a full toxicology report.

what you mean? do you think he was posioned or something like that?
i unfortinally saw one of the front videos and the feeling i have is tha he died at place, dude bleed out quickly like i never had saw beforre on my life ,t he shoot hit right on his neck vains

 

[Carpocalypse]

Didn't Kirk literally push for laws to allow open carry on collage grounds, where the incident apparently took place?

 

[Tornado]

no? I dont? I just said that violence is not the response

Violence is already happening. It's explicitly supported by the top leader of the American government, so long as it's against the right people. You've gone on and on and on about how extremism is unacceptable on both sides but only one side is dictating it as US policy. Only one side is constantly platformed by major media outlets. Only one side constantly acts on it in this country. Only one side completely controls a major social media platform. Only one side controls all three branches of the US government. Telling people to just lay down and take it because the poor white Christians in the southeast and states with more cows than people have been told someone else is to blame for all of their problems and that violence against those people is acceptable is so stupid that it's insulting.

The only thing you've been doing in this thread is telling people who been taking punches for a decade because they've been blamed for everything that's wrong with the country that they will be responsible for things getting worse if they dare punch back.

about "shooting protestors" i assume is about Kyle Rittenhouse? or is a recent case that happened recently that i am not aware of?

I'm not doing research on American politics on your behalf.

i saw no one in tthe mainstream right-wing celebrating the death of the two democrats the same way people are doing with Kirk, and the reckoning part is the part mentioned as a eventual consequency we will have from today and the celebrations about it

I'm not doing research on American politics on your behalf.

do the right was right in not call the death of 2 democrats? no it wasnt
does justify and celebrate someone else´s death? hell no it doesnt

Those aren't the same thing to begin with.

please stop using this type of bad-faith phrases that you likely learned from some random echo chamber, terms like this are used to disqualify arguments, and to me is the left-wing equivalent of the right-wing argumentation of use someone sexuality/condition/nationality to disqualify his ideas, its annoying and counter-productive...

Kiss my ass, how about that? White people in the bible belt aren't being oppressed, no matter what Trump or Charlie Kirk or Alex Jones or the pillow guy or whatever idiot is on Joe Rogan this week tell them. Trans people in the bible belt are. The situations are not remotely comparable no matter how many times you want to reiterate how the real issue is that there is also extremism from people on the left. Your argument disqualified itself as soon as you equated hypothetical astroturfed outrage of straight white people because a bigot was shot against actual persecution of vulnerable people like huge swaths of the country are actively acting to do and in many cases have already done. Assholes like Charlie Kirk are directly responsible for the latter.
If someone decided that they were going to solve that problem violently, I won't advocate it like Charlie Kirk would and did, but I have no real moral hangups with it if the result of it is other assholes like Charlie Kirk might take pause before doing what he spent his entire life doing.

...that said, you are wrong on this,

Cool story go hang out on Twitter if you want to defend a Nazi. I'm no longer giving you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Joey D]

Why is the White House releasing AI videos about this? Because that's definitely AI. Trump might be talking but it's been manipulated. Watch his hands. His fingers disappear through his hands.

 

[Fezzik]

Looks like they've used AI to merge different cuts.
A bit concerning that the leader of the free world can't make a speech that short in one take.

 

[GlamFM]

Why is the White House releasing AI videos about this? Because that's definitely AI. Trump might be talking but it's been manipulated. Watch his hands. His fingers disappear through his hands.

He can't speak like this even with a teleprompter. I think this is 100% AI.

 

[Touring Mars]

Nobody should be killed for expressing their views, however resorting to extremist rhetoric and being a right-wing rabbler rouser was always likely to make someone like Kirk a major target.

There's a lot of sympathetic talk of Kirk being 'open to debate' (with his 'Prove Me Wrong' platform), but to the untrained eye, what Kirk engaged in doesn't look a lot like actual 'debate' to me - rather, he seemed to enjoy the opportunity to shout down his opponents, and didn't seem in any way, shape or form open to persuasion on anything.

It is also hard to feel much empathy for someone who openly decried the very concept of empathy itself - so perhaps his killing might make a few people rethink their trenchant views and behaviours, but what are the chances.

Meanwhile, his killer is still on the loose.

 

[Famine]

Meanwhile, his killer is still on the loose.

Which will make it hard for the Nobel committee to locate him for his award.


About a week back, Kirk was being dragged on social media for his comments while walking around bits of South Korea, commenting on how clean and neat it all was, how things weren't vandalised, and how safe he felt in the cities unlike the USA. Most replies were of a theme of "Yeah, they have the socialism and gun control that you're against."

 

[Scaff]

its not rewriting, what i mean that the minneapolis shooting re-ignineted the anti-trangender debate, specially associating them with shootings overall a thing that i never heaed before the shooting be a thing

You not being aware of it and it not being a thing are two very different things.

The Minneapolis shooting just added to the already substantial anti-trans rhetoric, it didn't start it or reignite it.

I am from a Christian family with part of family living in the US bible belt, what you are saying is totally misguided and not trully undestanding of the reason people belive
yes, its existence is indeed needed, but not the total destruction of Israel, that is not correct and is a misinterpretation
Its often teached since children that one of reasons for the second coming is exactly to protect Israel and its people from its total destruction at the "final war" known as Armageddon, when its profetized that all the armies of the world, by control of a evil figure will try put those armies around Israel and try seize its control, even maneging to control part of region for some time before the war

its also teached that after the victory on the war, Jesus will rule over israel and the rest of world while both jewish people and christians overall will come together as one people, and live with him during those 1000 years before the ressuection of the dead souls and the final judgement

another thing that is often said and preached around protestant circles, which reinforces the support for israel, is that people should pray for the well being of Israel and jewish people beacuse God orders us to, even some assuming that if not done so, it would bring a curse upon us beacuse they are God´s choosen people, and that general majority hate/dislke for Israel with a desire for its destruction is considered a signal of the coming of those profetic times, for some (due the palestian war) this final hate towards Israel already happening

I literally cited evidence of it.

i saw no one in tthe mainstream right-wing celebrating the death of the two democrats the same way people are doing with Kirk

Double standard here.

Cite someone in the mainstream left-wing celebrating before you try this...

 

[meganinja]

I'm not doing research on American politics on your behalf.

you are implying events that are supposed hate events outside of debate scphere to be happening right now, i am just asking for exemples of it

no, i dont to see what happened in 2022 under another goverment, if you are saying that the actual goverment is pushing for hate violence outside the debate space, i want exemples of it on the last 6 months

as far of my knowlldge the only thing is the anti-imigration, but sadly it is also constant since Obama days

Cool story go hang out on Twitter if you want to defend a Nazi. I'm no longer giving you the benefit of the doubt.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

where i said i was defending of what he says his nazi views? my entire point is that they use peoples true concerns to make their view points acceable, just it

that is a HUGE strech

no real moral hangups with it if the result of it is other assholes like Charlie Kirk might take pause before doing what he spent his entire life doing.

so perhaps his killing might make a few people rethink their trenchant views and behaviours

this justification for the murder is even more stupid beacuse everyone is aware that THEY WONT
if anything, they will double down, even worst, now that they have a martyr, they will have someone to show as a exemple of "hate of opinion" and make people get in arms

Which will make it hard for the Nobel committee to locate him for his award.

this comment was so aunecessary man...
i know was sacatic but compare withh nobel, specially in heated split times, is so bad timed...

reignite it

i felt that reiginated beacue the trans shooters thing i never had hearead of it before the minessota shooting
but as you said, not being aware of it and it not being a thing are two very different things

I literally cited evidence of it.

and i awnsered that the article misinterpreted both the bible and the religious view of community and explaned you why