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So the New York Post posted a photo of the alleged rifle.

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That's a .30-06 made by Mauser (likely a 12 since they're saying it was imported), not a .30 Mauser. The scope is mounted horribly as well.

Also, why does it look like it was found in the box that it came in? Unless law enforcement put it in the box, but that seems rather haphazard, given that it's a key piece of evidence for a trial. You'd think they would, I don't know, handle it better than just a cardboard box. Also, who the hell imports a .30-06? It's an American caliber.

Now I deer hunt with a .30-06 (Winchester) occasionally. The fact that the bullet didn't blow the back of Kirk's neck out is a bit bewildering because it sure as hell blows a hole in a deer. Also, it was the caliber Teddy Roosevelt used while hunting big game in Africa, so it packs one hell of a punch. It's also the firearm used for big woodland game like moose and elk.

Once again, this doesn't add up very well. Also, how did no one see him walking through the school with that? It's 40+ inches long.
The Facts: a sniper got just ONE clean shot from 200 yds, hit his target with surgical precision and vanished in thin air.

According to the NY post, this hitman decided to lay his gun on the woods loaded with bullets engraved with transgender ideology just to give the FBI some hints.

Sure, makes total sense.
 
The Facts: a sniper got just ONE clean shot from 200 yds, hit his target with surgical precision and vanished in thin air.

According to the NY post, this hitman decided to lay his gun on the woods loaded with bullets engraved with transgender ideology just to give the FBI some hints.

Sure, makes total sense.
With the current people in charge of the FBI, someone could have walked up to him and performed the execution and they’d blame it on someone else. Nothing is too far fetched with the current government.
 
This is more of a common problem, people watching bad movies and playing shooting/violent games to cause them to go on shooting sprees killing innocent people. Even teens do it at times when they get triggered. Really sad and just disturbing to the world.
Hasn’t this been debunked several times? If you wanna clutch your pearls about something, I’d suggest focusing on the actual problem: far too easy access to firearms.
 
This is more of a common problem, people watching bad movies and playing shooting/violent games to cause them to go on shooting sprees killing innocent people. Even teens do it at times when they get triggered. Really sad and just disturbing to the world.
Yup, I'm 100% sure that Charlie Kirk was shot because someone saw a bad movie and played some video games. [/s]
 
Protestant ones when I clearly and repeatedly stated i was talking about Evangelicals
evangelicals are part of protetantism, in fact, the evangelical denominations (Baptists, Pentecostal Presbiterian and non denomial) are the largest part of US Protestantism
since you are not from US, I assume you are confusing with church of england or lutheran church that are often said as protestant churches, split in data from evangelicals, but that isnt the case here
most of protetanism in US isnt splt in sects like mormons or ortothox, the dominations are part of a big-tent group and often interact with each other (and why its easy to move the politically), its mostly the same here on Brazil as well (as big part of our protestanism overall came from US 100 years+ ago)

Russian drones were shot down in Poland, and Article 4 was invoked by NATO
this happened on the day/night before, on the 9th, was well covered by the media until the morning before the shooting

I've been reading some threads in the AI circles, and people have been analyzing the video of Kirk being shot. Apparently, his ring changes fingers:
next time people will go full 9/11 and say that the bullet was (somehow) a hologram and that never hit him in the first placee, ignoring the multiple videos from various angles fimled by his fanbase


Trey Parker of South Park fame attended that school, and what did South Park do recently? Poked fun at Charlie Kirk.
the comments on the post someone posted here yesterday calling for his episode being deleted had been filled with pushback with people saying he liked the episode and even used as profile pic so i dont think that it would be associated or as a way to hide any sort of revange

NASA announced that we found some compelling evidence of life on Mars
not exactly, they said they found a rock that may show ancient biosigatture
it is known for years now that mars may had life akin to earth for sometime before its ozone layer litterraly being throw into outter space, so isnt not of that big deal, just even more indications that this theory is true



The Facts: a sniper got just ONE clean shot from 200 yds, hit his target with surgical precision and vanished in thin air.

execpt that it was not a single shot but multiple were hearred and seen by videos, and that wasnt from 200 years as someone had pointed fe mins ago?

So is is it possible? Sure, but the probability seems low.
never say never, to me is more plaussibe someone that knew very well of campus used it on its advantage than some random killler hired too kill him for russia
 
This is more of a common problem, people watching bad movies and playing shooting/violent games to cause them to go on shooting sprees killing innocent people. Even teens do it at times when they get triggered. Really sad and just disturbing to the world.
I've watched "bad" movies since I were 4 and have been playing violent/shooting games of various ilk for the same duration of time, and yet I have not murdered, maimed or injured a single person in my 37+ years of existing in this world. The first shooting game I ever played was Duck Hunt, and yet here I am, not murdering ducks all day, every day. Odd, that.

Can we not perpetuate categorically false sentiments because something needs to be scapegoated?
 
Congress people are discovering what it's like to be a school kid in NRA's America.
I’d say to be a person living in America. Except we can’t hide from going to our jobs or going to school. There is no private security protection either.
 
this happened on the day/night before, on the 9th, was well covered by the media until the morning before the shooting
It happened while Americans were sleeping for the most part; we woke up to the news of it happening. I got up at 5 am Eastern time, and details were just coming in. It dominated the news cycle yesterday until the killing occured.
next time people will go full 9/11 and say that the bullet was (somehow) a hologram and that never hit him in the first placee, ignoring the multiple videos from various angles fimled by his fanbase
The primary video that's circulating around has some inconsistencies in it; I don't think we should accept it at face value. Just like we should accept Trump's message from the White House, which was clearly AI. It points to something being hidden or changed. I've seen only a handful of videos from the shooting, and they're disappearing pretty quickly whenever they show up. The primary video, the one that has the filming inconsistencies, is being left alone for the most part. That doesn't strike you as weird?
the comments on the post someone posted here yesterday calling for his episode being deleted had been filled with pushback with people saying he liked the episode and even used as profile pic so i dont think that it would be associated or as a way to hide any sort of revange
I'm looking at the big picture. The White House clearly doesn't like South Park, and if they can deliver some kind of psychological blow to the creator while also pushing chaos, I don't think it's too far outside the realm of possibilities. It's loose, I agree, but they're puzzle pieces that fit together.
not exactly, they said they found a rock that may show ancient biosigatture
it is known for years now that mars may had life akin to earth for sometime before its ozone layer litterraly being throw into outter space, so isnt not of that big deal, just even more indications that this theory is true
It's a huge deal. It's probably some of the best evidence we've been told about potential ancient life on Mars. If anyone were able to prove life existed outside of Earth, then they've just completely disproven all major religions. That's the kind of thing people would want to keep quiet or deflect from. Religions run on money and control, get rid of that and their scheme falls falt and they can't milk money.
never say never, to me is more plaussibe someone that knew very well of campus used it on its advantage than some random killler hired too kill him for russia
Given the evidence, I'm having a difficult time believing it was simply someone just walking onto campus. Utah has been pushing campus safety for years now and has ramped up how they provide security. I find it hard to believe someone could sneak a long gun onto campus without being caught. A pistol? Absolutely not a problem. An AR? They're most conceelable. But a full-on bolt-action rifle? That's a stretch. Yes, it's legal to open carry in Utah and on campus, but that doesn't mean you're going to be able to freely do it without causing alarm.

The fact that it was an imported gun, reportedly at first from an odd caliber, then changed to a more popular caliber, that had alleged pro-trans messaging on the bullet is just strange. Also, I'm still going back to the scope, it's improperly installed and I'm still not sure how someone shoots like that. It's like what would happen if you had a bunch of dumbasses try to set something up. The whole thing reeks of misdirection and covering something up. Was it the Russians? No idea. Was it a false flag? No idea. All I'm saying is that what's being presented isn't adding up and that things should be questioned here. The US government and the Trump administration are one of the most, if not the most, corrupt administrations we've had in the US. Nothing should be off the table with what they would do, especially since Republicans are increasingly just doing whatever they feel like with zero repercussions.
 
Hmmm
“I think it’s meant to instill fear in people. I mean, if somebody just wanted Charlie Kirk to be gone, it would have been easier to meet him at the movie theater or a restaurant,” he said. “This, I think, was a statement by some deranged person, most likely, and we can’t let that person win.”
Yeah, a deranged government.

We’ll, anyway
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., grew emotional while speaking to reporters Thursday and echoed that sentiment.

“That’s what these folks try to do, they try to scare you into inaction,” he said. “And I think that that’s the last thing that Charlie would want, is for people to be quiet, whether you agree with him or not.”
I’m sure Ghandi, Martin Luther King, John F Kennedy and Malcolm X, among others, wouldn’t want people to be quiet whether you agree with them or not.
 
execpt that it was not a single shot but multiple were hearred and seen by videos, and that wasnt from 200 years as someone had pointed fe mins ago?
Ok I´ll correct myself. 142 yards seems to be the right distance.
Does it change much on the point I tried to express?

Do you think this sounds like an easy shot for a sloppy weirdo? Because the portrait of the killer they are trying to sell on that article of the NYP sounds like that.

About the number of shots, can you give some valid sources?
All I read so far talks about just one shot.


 
It happened while Americans were sleeping for the most part; we woke up to the news of it happening. I got up at 5 am Eastern time, and details were just coming in. It dominated the news cycle yesterday until the killing occured.

The primary video that's circulating around has some inconsistencies in it; I don't think we should accept it at face value. Just like we should accept Trump's message from the White House, which was clearly AI. It points to something being hidden or changed. I've seen only a handful of videos from the shooting, and they're disappearing pretty quickly whenever they show up. The primary video, the one that has the filming inconsistencies, is being left alone for the most part. That doesn't strike you as weird?

I'm looking at the big picture. The White House clearly doesn't like South Park, and if they can deliver some kind of psychological blow to the creator while also pushing chaos, I don't think it's too far outside the realm of possibilities. It's loose, I agree, but they're puzzle pieces that fit together.

It's a huge deal. It's probably some of the best evidence we've been told about potential ancient life on Mars. If anyone were able to prove life existed outside of Earth, then they've just completely disproven all major religions. That's the kind of thing people would want to keep quiet or deflect from. Religions run on money and control, get rid of that and their scheme falls falt and they can't milk money.

Given the evidence, I'm having a difficult time believing it was simply someone just walking onto campus. Utah has been pushing campus safety for years now and has ramped up how they provide security. I find it hard to believe someone could sneak a long gun onto campus without being caught. A pistol? Absolutely not a problem. An AR? They're most conceelable. But a full-on bolt-action rifle? That's a stretch. Yes, it's legal to open carry in Utah and on campus, but that doesn't mean you're going to be able to freely do it without causing alarm.

The fact that it was an imported gun, reportedly at first from an odd caliber, then changed to a more popular caliber, that had alleged pro-trans messaging on the bullet is just strange. Also, I'm still going back to the scope, it's improperly installed and I'm still not sure how someone shoots like that. It's like what would happen if you had a bunch of dumbasses try to set something up. The whole thing reeks of misdirection and covering something up. Was it the Russians? No idea. Was it a false flag? No idea. All I'm saying is that what's being presented isn't adding up and that things should be questioned here. The US government and the Trump administration are one of the most, if not the most, corrupt administrations we've had in the US. Nothing should be off the table with what they would do, especially since Republicans are increasingly just doing whatever they feel like with zero repercussions.

Stupid question, not into firearms: why would they use a different gun as prop and not just the actual gun he was shot with? What would they win with that?
 
evangelicals are part of protetantism, in fact, the evangelical denominations (Baptists, Pentecostal Presbiterian and non denomial) are the largest part of US Protestantism
since you are not from US, I assume you are confusing with church of england or lutheran church that are often said as protestant churches, split in data from evangelicals, but that isnt the case here
most of protetanism in US isnt splt in sects like mormons or ortothox, the dominations are part of a big-tent group and often interact with each other (and why its easy to move the politically), its mostly the same here on Brazil as well (as big part of our protestanism overall came from US 100 years+ ago)
You think it's any different in the UK, Oh dear.

It's not one lovely homogeneous group, and certainly have differing views and interpretations, which you seem to want to deny in order to not accept the fact that evangelicals have a different reason for supporting Israel.

Deluded springs to mind.
 
Stupid question, not into firearms: why would they use a different gun as prop and not just the actual gun he was shot with? What would they win with that?
They don't have the gun, and it was just one that was grabbed from an evidence locker to be used to say they had the weapon. At least that was my thinking on it. Also, using whatever gun means the narrative can be spun how it needs to be, like adding that there were pro-trans messages on the bullets. That all sounds like the plot to a corny movie.

The video of the shot hitting Kirk also doesn't align with what a .30-06 would do. The shot that hit JFK was fired from a Carcano Model 38 rifle, which uses a 6.5x52mm round that travels 700m/s with 2,572J of energy, and he was shot from approximately 81m (266ft, 88yds). That round blew his head off. The .30-06 round travels between 760m/s and 890m/s, depending on the round, and delivers 3,820J - 4,116J of energy. Even accounting for the increased distance, the amount of energy was incredibly high.

I've shot living things with a .30-06, while it puts down an animal instantly, it's not exactly the cleanest round.
 
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They don't have the gun, and it was just one that was grabbed from an evidence locker to be used to say they had the weapon. At least that was my thinking on it. Also, using whatever gun means the narrative can be spun how it needs to be, like adding that there were pro-trans messages on the bullets. That all sounds like the plot to a corny movie.

The video of the shot hitting Kirk also doesn't align with what a .30-06 would do. The shot that hit JFK was fired from a Carcano Model 38 rifle, which uses a 6.5x52mm round that travels 700m/s with 2,572J of energy, and he was shot from approximately 81m (266ft, 88yds). That round blew his head off. The .30-06 round travels between 760m/s and 890m/s, depending on the round, and delivers 3,820J - 4,116J of energy. Even accounting for the increased distance, the amount of energy was incredibly high.

I've shot living things with a .30-06, while it puts down an animal instantly, it's not exactly the cleanest round.

What happened was totally consistent with being shot with a 30-06.

The round that hit Kennedy struck his skull, which shattered upon impact.

Kirk was hit in the soft tissue of the neck, and I have yet to see an image of the exit wound.

 
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Do you think this sounds like an easy shot for a sloppy weirdo? Because the portrait of the killer they are trying to sell on that article of the NYP sounds like that.
In fact, yes it does. All the shooting I've done was in the army almost 20 years ago, and given half an hour of practice now I'm still certain I could hit a human sized target with an AK derivative from 150 metres like I did back then. With iron sights. Given any kind of a scope and a bolt action rifle, and a good comfortable firing position, it would be a first shot success and I'm really not much of a crack shot.
 
All I know is, the keystone kops in charge of this manhunt will likely let the killer escape and will instead arrest someone who "fits their narrative" to look like they know what they are doing.
 
Yup, I'm 100% sure that Charlie Kirk was shot because someone saw a bad movie and played some video games. [/s]
I didn't say it happens to most people, but some get addicted to video games and movies so much that they actually shoot people in real life. Idk, it's a bunch of mess and confusion. Whoever shot Charlie will probably be put behind bars for a long time. I don't care if a couple folks pooed my post. I'm speaking the truth.
 
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I didn't say it happens to most people, but some get addicted to video games and movies so much that they actually shoot people in real life. Idk, it's a bunch of mess and confusion. Whoever shot Charlie will probably be put behind bars for a long time. I don't care if a couple folks pooed my post. I'm speaking the truth.
Can you please back this up with peer-reviewed proofs if you're going to call it the truth? Burden of proof sits on the person making the claim.

Here, while we're at it:
This article (click on this line of text) cites a study, which states there's no evidence for video games causing violence.
 
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