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Obelisk
Can you please back this up with peer-reviewed proofs if you're going to call it the truth? Burden of proof sits on the person making the claim.

Here, while we're at it:
This article (click on this line of text) cites a study, which states there's no evidence for video games causing violence.
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Well okay. I rest my case. See my family tells me stuff about that too. And they don't even watch the news half the time. So how do my grandparents and other family members know so much about political lingo and daily news when they don't watch or research it half the time? Anyways I'll read that article you posted. Thanks.

@MatskiMonk yeah, he probably will be in a rage
 
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Chris30
I didn't say it happens to most people, but some get addicted to video games and movies so much that they actually shoot people in real life. Idk, it's a bunch of mess and confusion. Whoever shot Charlie will probably be put behind bars for a long time. I don't care if a couple folks pooed my post. I'm speaking the truth.
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Does the media make people unstable or do unstable people seek out certain types of media? Take Catcher in the Rye for instance, it has been tied to several shootings including John Lennon and Reagan. It is also one of the best selling books over the last century.

I'd imagine since the days of cave drawings media has been used as a scapegoat, correlation didn't equal causation than and it doesn't now.
 
Chris30
I didn't say it happens to most people, but some get addicted to video games and movies so much that they actually shoot people in real life. Idk, it's a bunch of mess and confusion. Whoever shot Charlie will probably be put behind bars for a long time. I don't care if a couple folks pooed my post. I'm speaking the truth.
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Are you? What do you know of the person that shot Charlie Kirk? Nothing? Probably nothing right? Is that "speaking the truth"?

No, it's assumption. And it's a rather poor one at that. Next time you want to speak the truth, consider whether you know the truth.
 
TexHill
What happened was totally consistent with being shot with a 30-06.

The round that hit Kennedy struck his skull, which shattered upon impact.

Kirk was hit in the soft tissue of the neck, and I have yet to see an image of the exit wound.

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I guess without knowing the type of round used, it could go a number of different ways. I used 180gr with ballistic tips and the exit wound on a decent sized whitetail is sizeable, which makes tracking easier.

I just think if Kirk has been hit in the spine like was reporting, it would've done far more damage than what we saw. That's what leaves me questioning it. This is especially true if what the media is pushing is accurate. They make it seem like the dude is just some pissed off guy who did this out of rage and hate. So let's say he just took his dad's old rifle and bought a cheap scope then bought some rounds at Cabela's. They'd likely be 165 or 180 gr rounds made for hunting antelope, mule deer, or elk (most common game in Utah). Using a game round it seems like there would be a major exit would since those ballistic tips rapidly expand.
 
MatskiMonk
Bolsonaro convicted... Sentenced to 27 years in prison.

www.bbc.co.uk

Jair Bolsonaro sentenced to 27 years in prison for plotting Brazil coup

The former president has been found guilty of trying to mount coup to cling to power after he lost the election.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Trump will be pissed.
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not just trump, the entire local/regional right will be pissed
it has the potential to make january 6h and 8th look minor vs the poop that will hit the fan, not mention the sacntions that trump wwill send to us

opposition on congress will gridlock it for weeks at best or for months at wrst trying to make bolsonaro eligible so someone else on more modearated right tooks over
 
Northstar
Take Catcher in the Rye for instance, it has been tied to several shootings including John Lennon and Reagan.
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That Catcher in the Rye is to blame for the assassination attempt on Reagan is absurd. It's actually Jodie Foster's fault.

Edit: Tangentially, Catcher is also just not a good book.
 
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TexHill
What happened was totally consistent with being shot with a 30-06.
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the video totally shows why he had bleedout rather quicky
even if his head has not exploded, it is likely that its inside were pretty much was and it looks he was instantly dead, with death news delayed only to not cause panic in the campus

CodeRedR51
Small correction, the two shot are still in critical condition.
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may both kids escape from it, may God also have mercy of their families as well
the shooter it seems that ended on its own life so may his famly no suffer the consequencies of his acts

Scaff
It's not one lovely homogeneous group, and certainly have differing views and interpretations, which you seem to want to deny in order to not accept the fact that evangelicals have a different reason for supporting Israel.
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bro do you even know what big-tent even is? you is the one that constantly denying of what i am saying, the data i showed about % of protestant was from pew, the same pollester that you were talking about earlier before

for the last time, i had said that the motivations are religious, what i dont agree with and see as taking things out of context (by accident or by bad faih) is the part about destrucion of israel, its quite oopposite, they mostly see, independly of denoomiaion, jesus coming to rescue israel and jewish people from final persecution, as mentioned is even teached this way on various denominations, also like AP mentioned, the support for israel is shifting from new-testament based argument than a old-testamen based argument, its not just about the end of history anymore

also its funny that you are thowing some uk stuffs and using it a absolutly truth while you keep deniying everythin i sent you about here and usa beacuse dont fit your vision of reality, quite ironic

Childe Roland
Does it change much on the point I tried to express?
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yes, the distance to shoot is cut in more than half

Childe Roland
Do you think this sounds like an easy shot for a sloppy weirdo? Because the portrait of the killer they are trying to sell on that article of the NYP sounds like that.

About the number of shots, can you give some valid sources?
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well, it seems that the shooter may had missed barely the shot (usually the aim is the head, it had hit the chest/neck and from what people told me here, it seems that utah is a state that likes huting a lot, so its safe to assume that the shooter may had some hunting experience even for a short period of time

about the shots, initianlly i saw us media live reports, specially NBC/CBS saying it was multiple, but checking again now it seems that they had backtracked to a single one, so i will backtrack on this one
 
MatskiMonk
Wouldn't it be terrible if this was the start of some kind of movement?

Anyway... thoughts and prayers... thoughts and prayers....
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The start?

Off top of my head I recall several recent extreme actions. December 2024 United Healthcare CEO assassination, July 2025 assault by civilians on an Alvarado TX ICE facility, July 2025 Blackstone REIT CEO assassination (remember the one where the media spoke of the NFL offices? Yeah that was a coverup), and now this September 2025 conservative figurehead assassination. After Luigi Tha God did his thing it wasn't for seven more months til another high-level incident happened, and now we've averaged one a month the past three months.

These are just some examples of anti-MAGA-regime actions, anti-corporate-establishment actions, etc. Obviously there have been numerous attacks on both sides, in many places, for many reasons, but attacking things like CEOs, ICE facilities, and conservative leadership paints a political picture.

I'm not sure exactly what movement it is, but it's moving very fast already, and we should all buckle up because it's going to start getting much more violent and much closer to home. We're clearly on the brink of some sort of civil war or revolution. I'll defer to experts on how to solve our current regime conundrum peavefully but I have a bad feeling that is no longer an option.
 
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The shirt is from the Disabled Veterans National Foundation, which focuses on veterans with PTSD, brain injuries, and invisible disabilities. Here's an eBay listing for the shirt.

TMZ, of all places, received a video of a person matching the description near UVU before the shooting. What's odd is that the person has a pretty distinct limp; however, their knee is bending, so the likelihood of the rifle being in their pants seems kind of iffy since the rifle is pretty long.

So we have someone wearing a disabled veterans shirt while also limping and can supposedly hit a long-range shot without too much trouble and knows how to conceal themselves. This suggests former or current military service, and I'm going to guess that we will be told that the shooter is someone who was discharged when the transgender ban happened in May. Those discharged were done so with the code JDK, which is used when an enlisted member is considered a threat to national security, making it hard to get jobs and security clearances.
 
Elon's Grok shows this person of interest as unarmed but three-handed, and also...

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...Nicolas Maduro circa 1999?

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Great work.
 
There's an interesting video doing the rounds that appears to show 0.957 in a bit of a state at a 9/11 event:



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I have no additional notes; it looks straight up and down like a stroke.

The fun part for me is where he looks at his left hand, moves it a bit, looks at his right hand, barely moves it, and then some cogs turn a little bit before the normal service in his ice rink-smooth noggin resumes...
 
Famine
There's an interesting video doing the rounds that appears to show 0.957 in a bit of a state at a 9/11 event:



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I have no additional notes; it looks straight up and down like a stroke.

The fun part for me is where he looks at his left hand, moves it a bit, looks at his right hand, barely moves it, and then some cogs turn a little bit before the normal service in his ice rink-smooth noggin resumes...
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Yeah I noticed he wasn't enunciating his bigly tremendous words as well when talking. Like I wasn't "dude what are you talking about you're prattling" but "dude what are you talking about speak clearly"
 
Videos can be edited. That video isn't a direct post from C-Span's youtube channel or another media's youtube channel.

Edit: A hunting rifle can't fit in a person's pant leg, that's a ridiculous idea. It would add like 6 inches to your waistband. The rifle is literally as long as an average man's entire leg. The butt of the stock is 6 inches tall and like three inches wide. Impossible to conceal in any way.
 
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Since @Joey D has been sharing his wealth of gun knowledge, perhaps you can clarify/confirm if this casing would be one the suspected weapon used?
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To give some background, the WSJ reported that found ammunition was engraved with transgender & anti-fascist ideology. Seems multiple folks are drawing a conclusion that the WSJ mistook "TRN" for transgdender since it's engraved. However, tmk, no picture of the ammunition has been revealed & the folks calling out the WSJ are all referring back to this specific picture. Just asking b/c I'm not that knowledgeable enough about firearms & this feels like folks on the left side of social media are making the same mistake of jumping to a conclusion.
 
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McLaren
Since @Joey D has been sharing his wealth of gun knowledge, perhaps you can clarify/confirm if this casing would be one the suspected weapon used?
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To give some background, the WSJ reported that found ammunition was engraved with transgender & anti-fascist ideology. Seems multiple folks are drawing a conclusion that the WSJ mistook "TRN" for transgdender since it's engraved. However, tmk, no picture of the ammunition has been revealed & the folks calling out the WSJ are all referring back to this specific picture. Just asking b/c I'm not that knowledgeable enough about firearms & this feels like folks on the left side of social media are making the same mistake of jumping to a conclusion.
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That clearly says 9x19. That's a 9mm Luger round.

We're looking for this:

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McLaren
Since @Joey D has been sharing his wealth of gun knowledge, perhaps you can clarify/confirm if this casing would be one the suspected weapon used?
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To give some background, the WSJ reported that found ammunition was engraved with transgender & anti-fascist ideology. Seems multiple folks are drawing a conclusion that the WSJ mistook "TRN" for transgdender since it's engraved. However, tmk, no picture of the ammunition has been revealed & the folks calling out the WSJ are all referring back to this specific picture. Just asking b/c I'm not that knowledgeable enough about firearms & this feels like folks on the left side of social media are making the same mistake of jumping to a conclusion.
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@Keef hit on it.

The TRN headstamp on the round likely refers Turan which is an ammo manufacturer based in Turkey. It's garbage ammo.

Looking at that round, the TRN is for Turan, the 21 is for a manufacturing data of 2021, and the 9x19 is a 9×19mm parabellum round. What's weird is that's typically a pistol round. There are rifles that shoot it, but I can't find a bolt action Mauser that does (doesn't mean there isn't one, I don't know German guns very well).

Tree'd by @Obelisk
 
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Wait why are we talking about 9mm rounds all the sudden? Why the confusion? The FBI themselves described the gun as "high-powered" which does not fit 9mm. The suspected area 150 yards away negates single-shot accuracy of a 9mm. The WSJ and NYT articles are both a bit discredited at this point but they specifically mention 30-06 caliber which is the most common for bolt-action hunting rifles.

There are several other calibers in hunting rifles but 30-06 is the most powerful. It's a big game bullet. .308 is the other common one, probably more common and frankly more appropriate to this task.



Edit: This is my opinion, but anybody who would use a 30-06 cartridge for a job like this either is or acquired the gun from somebody who is an avid game hunter. There's basically no other reason to own or use 30-06 because it's big, powerful, kicks hard, and the rifles themselves tend to be larger and heavier. That tracks with the type of hunting available in Utah. An AR in .308 will take down a deer just as effectively and a lot easier and cheaper.

 
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lol. lmao. I absolutely love that incompetent sycophants were chosen to head federal law enforcement and that they're magnificently bungling the investigation of the death of a bitch they were ideologically aligned with.

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Edit: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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meganinja
it seems that utah is a state that likes huting a lot, so its safe to assume that the shooter may had some hunting experience even for a short period of time
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Not really a safe assumption to make at this point, without any further evidence, that the shooter is actually from Utah. This event was the first of Kirk's college talks since April, the location may simply have presented the first opportunity.

I see Trump infested my beloved Yankee Stadium but is too weak and decrepit to throw a first pitch, even from the grass in front of the mound. I never liked Dubya but that man toed the rubber and threw a strike like a proper President.

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meganinja
for the last time, i had said that the motivations are religious, what i dont agree with and see as taking things out of context (by accident or by bad faih)
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And yet a good percentage of evangelicals disagree with you.

You only have to look at Christians United for Israel, which has 10 million members, and was founded and is led by John Hagee, who is deeply and unapologetically anti-Semitic.

Quotes from him include:

Adolf Hitler was born from a lineage of "accursed, genocidally murderous half-breed Jews"

He claimed that the persecution of Jews throughout history, implicitly including the Holocaust, was due to the Jewish people's disobedience of God.
meganinja
is the part about destrucion of israel, its quite oopposite, they mostly see, independly of denoomiaion, jesus coming to rescue israel and jewish people from final persecution, as mentioned is even teached this way on various denominations, also like AP mentioned, the support for israel is shifting from new-testament based argument than a old-testamen based argument, its not just about the end of history anymore
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So, who goes to heaven during the rapture, Christians or Jews?
 
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