An Audi gets booted...let the games begin!

Discussion in 'The Rumble Strip' started by 95GTIVR6, Jun 19, 2008.

  1. 95GTIVR6

    95GTIVR6 Premium

    *There are about 5 more posts I need to update when I get the chance!

    I got this from MotiveMags "The Car Lounge" Thread. Its about 50 pages long but I've brought you the best parts and basically what it is all about! Just thought I would share!

    The whole thread can be seen here: VWVORTEX

    Post 1:
    As I told myself I'd never live in a HOA community here I am. After a year here they forced upon us that we had to pay for parking passes to park outside. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ There's over 700 homes.

    Gee, I wounder why they did that?

    So you have to display your pass or you get booted, by an outsider company not associated with the HOA, they just won the contract. As the schmucks drive though they look for the obvious outsiders looking to park (visitors) and boot them, and milk the cows. "That will be $140 Sir to remove the boot."

    Well, it's just a long day @ work, your mind is busy, you park and don't put your pass on your rear view. They throw 2 boots on you, a large display sticker, phone # and $140 removal fee. I've parked in the same spot for 3 months, always displayed, they know the car, a extensively modified Audi parked in the same spot for 3 months with a displayed pass. It's a no brainier I have a pass.

    Gee, I wounder why the pass isn't a permanent sticker?

    Now, why wouldn't I always keep the pass hanging from my rearveiw? Being in the top 10 auto theft capitals in the country, I'm not comfortable DISPLAYING where I live when the community is displayed in the largest characters on the pass.

    The plastered WARNING sticker on the window mentions you will be pentilzed to the fullest of law if you remove or damage the boots. So I called the cops.........only one.....but she said I can not damage the the boots, however nothing illegal about removing them.

    You know the case, if you don't pay up evenly you'll get towed,so.......

    I'm just going to get some f-ing dollys, install them and push the freaking Audi right into the garage you bsaterds. Give them a call to come get their num nut boots..........................and the Audi is undergoing a semi-rebuild....I don't need them off...they won't bother me keeping them on....I don't need to drive it.....a waiting game means nothing.

    I own my home, they can not come on the individual property unless I grant permission, and they can not tow it as it'll be in the garage.


    Currently outside with 2 boots on it, it'll just look like this again with boots on it, same spot.

    Post 2:

    Over 4,000 hits in less then a day, think we're onto something. To answer some on the questions:

    -My HOA is over $1,500 a year

    -There is no STREETparking per-say, every spot is a stripped parking spot just like retail parking. There is no congestion each side of the street parking, aka, narrowing down a street.

    -The HOA is not associated with the parking Nazis, however may and not sure, be able to place fines on top for giving problems.

    I do have one problem, I need a raditator in the next 5 hours to get to work tomorrow in my Jetta (since I wouldn't be driving the Audi). The radiator I just order showed up broken. If not I'll either have to cough up the $140 or call the cops and have it removed and the Nazis can try filing against me.

    If I can get a radiator here soon, the dollies are right down the street and the next picture you'll see will be an Audi in a garage with boots.

    Post 3:

    I HAVE A RADIATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    So I called the cops again, and also conformed it with the police supervisor. Unless damage is done to the unit, the matter is civil. I told them about the dollies, there is nothing illegal about it, once again civil.

    So the phone call is going to go something like this:

    -Yes, you booted my car, come down and get your boots if you want them.

    -Sir, that's going to be $140 to remove them

    -Oh, I don't need them removed

    -Sir, after 72 hours you vehicle will be towed

    -Oh, I don't know how your going to do that with it in my garage

    -Sir, uhhhhhhh, what Sir???????????????

    Post 4:
    CHOPPED: Pics of Audi on Dollys
    EDIT: I figured I'd add some text so I'm not leaving everyone hanging. So here's the deal, as much as I'd like, and easy as it would be to remove the boots with my professional angle grinder it is against the law. It's not that I respect the law or generally even care about it , (I respect laws of humanity, not dumping oil, animals, etc, and therefor), but breaking the law is just going to turn nightmare. Not that I wouldn't, it's cutting them off isn't worth ~$1,500 or whatever amount they toss. They also photograph your car (with plate) during the citation, so I'm more then just a piece of paper floating around in someones citation book.

    The boot company is left in the dark , they don't know wtf is going on, haven't told them squat. Remember, I don't need to drive the Audi, as a matter of fact I was supposed to be putting her on blocks the day it got booted for work and keeping it that way.

    The HOA doesn't know it's gone , however, someone I'm somewhat cool with before this went down I convinced to get on the board and is on there now saw the Audi on dollies and did call me about it. he going to rat me out?

    So I called the HOA Community manger, and keep in mind this is not actually the HOA booting cars but a contractor...errrrr......wait a minute........Hitler didn't do any of the killing himself......not responsible......some one else did it....she's off the hook....oh wait, no, and, ....duh..duh...duh...I have a private meeting not only with her but the whole HOA board , who for all I know, know nothing about the dollies.

    -Blake Edwards, it's come to our attention you've some how managed to place your Audi in the garage, why did you do that?

    -I had to vacuum the carpet.

    Post 5:

    So my boy pulls into the complex and past The Spot Of Their Misfortune.

    -Yo Blake

    -What's up?

    -Where you car was, there's now 3 APS (Arizona Parking Solutions) patrol cars, and a 4th, a rent-a-cop standing in what was your booted spot.

    -Yeah, what are the doing?

    -Standing around, just standing in the spot, looking around.


    -One looks like a manager, supervisor, or someone important writing on a clip board, they do NOT look happy.

    -(Me Laughing)

    -Yeah man, they look pissed, some guy is slacks and a polo shirt jotting stuff down on a clip board.

    -Sweet, time to go for a walk

    As I go to the mail box to get mail I didn't have, The Head Schmuck is getting into his car, *cough, *cough, where I was, backed out and left. The other car is ready to take off, has lights on, engine running, put car in gear. I get my phantom mail and he sees me, walk past back, he kills the lights and motor, and just stays there as I walk by with out incident. I almost approuched them and asked, " You guys want to come get your boots?"

    Going to bed.

    Post 6:

    So I called them, a long conversion, so I'll try to remember it in order :


    -HEY! ARE YOU DOING! (Happy!)

    -Uh... (surprised)...I'm doing alright...pause.....pause....pause....

    -Yeah! I'm doing alright too!!!!

    -What can we do for you?

    -Yeah, I'm down here @ the Villaigo @ Tempe, you guys want to come get your boots?

    -Yes, I can be there shorlty.

    -Alright, I won't be home till later.

    -Sure, there will some one else working, what kind of car?

    -An Audi

    -Oh.........pause.....pause.......where is your car?

    -It's here, you guys want to come get your boots? the boots are in your trunk?


    -So they are on the set of wheels in the trunk?


    -So you stole them?


    -So they are not on your wheels?

    -Yes, they are on my wheels?

    -Where are your wheels?

    -On the car

    -Where is your car?

    -I moved it

    -YEAH! I saw the picture you sent me, it's in your garage!

    -Yeah, there's somethings floating around on the internet, however I didn't send that. So you want to come get your boots?

    -Well, I'm sure your going to need to drive your Audi.


    -So you moved your car?


    -Had did you move it?

    - I've been working out

    -(He busts up laughing!!!)))))))))))))))))))))Ah, come on man, how did you move it?

    -Well, I saw it booted, ran down and picked up some Creatine, been taking it for 3 days, that's stuff works great!

    -(Laughing again) So, how did you move it?

    -I have my ways

    -Come on man, how did you move it?

    -I have my ways

    -Oh, come on, how did you get it in your garage, I've checked out that Audi before(<---------), I know you couldn't of pushed it.

    -Don't worry, I havn't touched the locks.

    -That's good.

    -I'll be home around 7:30 P.M., you can give me call me then.

    It's 3:30 P.M., tune Kiddies!

    Post 7:

    So 7:30 P.M. rolls around and they call me to see if I'm home, tell them I'm in traffic, got home @ 7:45 and they showed up.

    4 APS Patrol cars and the Sheriff pull up to my open garage, 5 APS officers and the head Schmuck.

    (The before happening occurred over 2 hours .)

    -Hello, you guys want your boots?

    -Yes, that will be $140 to remove them.

    -Naaaaaa, you can take them though.

    -Your in possession of private property.

    -You can take them, I'm not holding them.

    -(The APS officers look at the Sheriff, the Sheriff looks back, and nods.) There's nothing I can do, he's not holding your property with out permission, he's allowing you to take them.

    -Well, his car is on private property, we do not operate on private property.

    -(Me again) The entire complex is on private property, I'm granting you permission to entire my premises to remove your boots, do you want them?

    -You have stolen our property.

    -No, I called the Tempe Police, would you like the badge #? I've not only talked with 2 officers, but this was run by the Super Attendant, there is nothing illegal unless I damage the boots.

    -(Sheriff nods)

    -(Head schmuck)I am going to prosecute (gets on the phone, babbles away and away, a second in command starts taking pictures)

    -He starts asking for my info, "Are you the home owner?"

    -I could be

    So he calls the local Tempe Town cops, officer shows up, APS gets to
    him first, then the officer approaches me after hearing their story. I inform him, also inform of the phone call I've made requesting legalities from the Tempe Police Dept. He scratches his head, and says, well, "I going to have to call this one in." I inform head Schmuck and the Tempe officer I have a meeting with the HOA President and HOA board on Tuesday to have this resolved. The officer informs me he's like the badge # later, and mentions it will show grounds I had no intention to steal the boots, and it was also good you informed the APS I had the boots.

    -(Head Schmuck) You going to be there?


    -Good, because I'll be there too.

    -(Officer)So as this is not a theft my Supervisor has informed me to place this under Other Theft, in which it will go to City Prosecutors or get dropped, call this # on Monday 16th to see what happens. The APS Manager/Owner/Head Schmuck says he OWNS the parking passes and ALL passes associated with this address have now been revoked, if he sees your car you will be towed.

    -(Another APS officer) Hey man, I have this ticket for you, I've put down that you are refusing to pay, I just need your signature.

    I read it, above my signature it says, " Acceptance for services."

    -Sorry man, I not going to sign it, you haven't offered me a service.

    -Oh man, we are just going to bill HOA.


    -But you won't get a bill


    -(Officcr to APS Schmuck) So, he's not holding your boots against will, do you want them back?

    -Yes (they pull them off and go)

    Officer gives me the Case # Info Card, tells me to call in Monday.

    -So I won't need that badge #, I've already called in Tempe Police Headquarters and we have you on record calling in. Any questions?


    -Let me tell you something, they are pissed, really pissed off, I don't know if you talked trash about his wife but he is angry! I mean, the guy is about to explode, and some thing about a picture you sent him.

    -Oh, I didn't send that

    -You didn't send that?

    -No, it floating around on the Internet, someone else did that.

    -So this is on the Internet.


    -Any questions for me?

    -No, thanx for everything


    So this can go many ways, 1 through City Prosecutor's or 2 through HOA and fines. I have won round one. I'm going to post not only a couple pics and the head Schmuck and possibly an alley for me sticking it to the man:

    So I've thinking this over and maybe decided to go with it, I will not hold any one to this however if this really goes the distance and I loose I am possibly setting up a Paypal Donation Fight The Power Fund, $5, $10, $20 what ever you want. I will not send IMs asking and of the sort. I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING NOW. If this doesn't go City Prosecutors Monday, I also have Tuesday with the HOA board to see what happens.

    This is just an idea, and if you'd seriously like to contribute (upon seeing documentation, etc of the sort), along with your comments place a to tell me you'd be in favor. Once again, I'm not going to hold you to it, but if it comes down to it, I could be out some serious coin.


    Post 8:

    At first I must very very thank the Vortex Community for their support! I think this is fantastic, and I maybe bring this to a news station to you, it may even hit the papers.

    To answer some questions I remembered: I did try to resolve this before said movement of Audi. I explained I've been in the same spot for 3 months, with a pass, also the pass is in plain sight! if they'd like to come view it, however, "Sir, if you pass is not hanging from your rear view, that's $140!" They wouldn't budge, didn't care, just give me $140.

    The *cough, *cough, boot enforcement rules where put into place 1 year AFTER I've moved in. Upon receiving a letter we now have TO PAY TO PARK ON OUR OWN DAM PROPERTY I called and E-mailed immediately of my disgust. Keep in mind all conversions where kept civil, no yelling, no cursing, etc. of the sort.

    Concerning the incident the other night some thing I forgot to mention. Once the Head Schmuck and Mini Schmucks left, the officer approached me, " I don't know if you where talking trash about his wife, but he is pissed, I mean really, really pissed......." All information had to be relayed through the Tempe Police or Sheriff as the Police said, "I can't let this guy near you or his going to do something, it's getting way to steamy, this is going to be a problem if it talks face to face, and the way this guy is I can't let him near you." -I smiled.

    To EDIT: And answer the question, no I didn't talk ish or mention his wife, or even know whether he's married. However, he was so un-professional and handled the situation so poorly his actions will be heavily noted before the HOA board and recommend to be removed and/or replaced. Also a edit, as there are ~1500-2000 residence I may ALSO start a APS Removal Petition in which I may go over HOA and directly straight to D.R. HORTON HOMES and see what kind of pull there in Homeowners vs HOA. I can only guess, but I can't see a single person in favor of: Immobilizing A Vehicle Until Compliance
    I will not have a problem with signatures, however what can be done with them is another story. End Edit

    So, I've asked ther for Vortex member via IM if he's able to pull down the picture he has sent, and am waiting for a reply. And concerning fellow Vortexers, thank you for restraint till this been resolved and after words, and I agree: THOU SHALT OPEN THY FLOODGATES TO HENCE FORTH A BIBLICAL FORCE OF SEEN NO OTHER OF P-CHOP IN FELLOW GLEE IN THOUGT LEGENDARY THREADICICS

    I think the Audi in different locations of the world would be fantastic! And Head Schmuck, well, that's going to be fun.

    What's the magic word the day kids! Uhn-Uhn! CAN YOU SAY LOOP-HOLE? SAY IT WITH ME KIDS!

    Post 9:

    I've been 100% forward, the rule(s), the parking, the paying to park on the property, APS, EVERYTHING done AFTER 1 year + residency. I do not agree in any way, ANYBODY, resident, guest, or not:

    "Being Held Immobilized Till Payment Has Been Brought Forth At The Parking Enforcements Convince To Travel Back To Said Property To Release Private Property!"


    How the hell does an OUTSIDER get to BUY ALL parking spaces on the property and have the right to tell me,"YOU CAN NO LONGER PARK ANY WHERE ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, EXCEPT IN YOUR GARAGE, OR YOUR VEHICLE WILL BE TOWED, AND THAT INCLUDES ALL YOUR VEHICLES!" And that is a quote! This will be a 1 large focal point in my HOA meeting, I have so many topics, words, and disgust however will keep my cool.

    Another update, said Vortexer has removed @ my request the picture sent to APS. Whether or not they have printed it or not, don't know.

    The Tempe Police called today, Sunday 15th, wanted to know my license plate on said Audi. Told them, they did ask any other questions or release any other information, don't know whether that's good or not .

    EDIT*-Even thought my previous calls to conform I was with in all rights of the law, the incident the other night was written a Other Theft, or along the lines of Suspicion of Theft.
    The officer informed me,"My Captain/Superier/Cheif has had me issue this, to be looked into futher, pending, and written up as said forth, however he has informed me NOT to place you under arrest at this time." -End EDIT*

    Tomorrow, Monday June 16th, I will be working till 9:05 P.M. and will not be home till after work @ 9:30P.M. I will find out whether I will be prosecuted via phone call to receive information about my case from work sometime in the afternoon and will post once I've come home. If I have not posted by 10:30 P.M. Arizona Time Monday, June 16th I have been arrested.

    Post 10:

    I just got back from Guantanamo Bay and BOY HAVE THEY SPRUCED THAT PLACE UP!

    Well, MORE SUSPENSE!, the law officer has YET to file the case or have a detective look into it. I've called Tempe Police twice today to determine the outcome, waiting for an officer to snatch me from work (as yes, they wanted to know where), and left a message with the case officer to call back (6:00P.M.) to inform me of an outcome. Quote from the filer,"Sir, typically it takes a week." Man, the suspense, round #2 is the important one.

    So......round #2 is in the air, round #3 starts tomorrow, Tuesday, June 17th @ 6:30 in a PRIVATE HOA President meeting with the entire HOA board, in which Head Schmuck maybe attending. In which the many following arguments will follow.

    Intentions of securing my modified Audi from theft and the elements under the rights of the law.

    ONE MENTION IN THE PREVIOUS 2 HOUR INCIDENT WHICH WILL WEIGHT HEAVILY IN MY FAVOR: I even told them, " You guys are more then welcome to keep the boots on, you don't have to take them, you can take your boots and keep them on till the meeting." Bou-ya-ca

    I think that would sit nicely with law enforcement.

    I also, NEVER mentioned I wasn't going to pay, ever! When they said "It'll be $140 dollars to remove them.", I said "You can take your boots, or leave them on..... " NOT, "No, I'm not going to pay, you can take your boots......

    I also did NOT sign the APS receipt where it was marked -Customer Refused To Pay. Oh, no, I'm not refusing to pay, not going to say I'm going to pay you or not pay you. Bou-ya-ca

    So, the entry into the thread states:

    As I told myself I'd never live in a HOA community here I am

    And I see alot of post of HOA this, HOA that, the owner new about HOAs, he has a choice to live there: Well, not exactly, this gets a little deeper then that and this gets a little juicy concerning how I got here, so.....

    I moved to Phoenix DURING the housing explosion, and not familiar with the city and knew nothing wanted to get my bearings before I bought a house. So that meant renting, this was a HUGE HUGE PROBLEM! It took 3 months looking every single week driving here to find one complex that had NOT been sold or turned into condos or town homes. Legislation was in the works because there was no where to live! They where trying to ban Condo conversions.I mean, if you wanted to buy no problem, over 75% of the offices where turned into sales offices, or the entire complex was being renovated. When we finally found one after 3 months (almost couldn't even move here) there was a second problem. You could only have 1 car per resident at the last few complexes, I was just about screwed. So one last try and another week, I ended up finding a place before throwing in the towel, they did however charge me for every parking space per month per car, but, I got to live here, then.........

    Dear Mr Blake Edwards

    We are happy to inform you the D&G Enterprises has purshed the property. As you are currently a resident you have your first choice of purchasing your current unit or any other unit on the property, if not, get the hell out because we no longer rent AND THAT WILL BE $350,000 FOR A CONVERSION WITH A $350 MONTHLY HOA FEE.......DUDE! I had no where to live! And all the houses taken off the market for flips, ugh! The Phoenix market was HOT! GLOWING! Houses where going for the gold! You would see a posting and it would be sold asap, the prices where un-touchable. Your talking about where people where camping in there cars for days for a housing development to go up for sale because they needed a home. I mean, there was no where to live. If I was married possibly I could of afforded one of those mortgages but dam, just short of moving into a incredibly poor neighbor hood (still expensive) my Realtor told me about the Villaigo, he personally knew the Sale Manager, had even done work on her homes.


    Not a house, still expensive, a $1,500 Mortgage, but alot cheaper then the red hot houses on the Phoenix market. Sales manager "Blake, if you can do a 14 day escrow I have an amazing deal for you." Well, that's just say she was their best and my deal got her fired . Nothing illegal, it's that the market was so hot she could of gotten alot more. So, that's why I live in an HOA .


    And yes, they wanted $350,000 for the 1960 apartment turned condo.

    Stay tuned kiddies, round #3 happens tomorrow and will be updated Tuesday, 17th around 8:00P.M. Arizona Time, it's going to get juicy tomorrow .

    *Edit: I did call the HOA President today personally, actually seems pretty cool and where laughing a bit, so we'll see what happens.

    Post 11:

    So I just came from the HOA meeting, and Head Schmuck was waiting outside with what may have been a lawyer. He was loading a CD into a lap top, which probably contained all pictures of the night and possibly even the pic sent to APS by other said Vortexer.

    So I sat down and told my story in private, went pretty well, they appeared to be shocked once told them this little guy is trying to prosecute, also detailing his unprofessionalism. Something interesting they said caught my attention:

    "Well, where thinking about splitting the Parking Fine with you, HOA would pay half and you would pay the other half."

    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!! Uh..........wait, this has to be paid no matter what? (Not that I wasn't going to pay) But under what obligations is it determined that this has to be paid and the HOA is responsible? Why, how, who the hell says this has to be paid? Uhn?

    I told them if they absoluty came to the conclusion I had to pay I would pay it, and everything had been done to secure my vehicle (in which even the HOA board members knew the car) and prevent it from being towed, it's saftey and securing it from the elements till said HOA meeting.

    They asked if they was anything else they should know about, and coughed it up as they would probably see, is about a un-known poster sending a picture to APS. They all put their pens down and hands on their foreheads.

    I was cut short and only got 5 minutes of speak time

    Every APS issue was meet with:

    - Well, you have to take that up with APS, errr........
    - I think the ethics of permitting disabling a vehicle.....what if some one has to go to work in the morning, they would be fired!
    -Well, you have to take that up with APS...
    -Wait, you guys are the one that hired them....
    -We are out of time

    Which I do not know if they where hired, whether they are on contract, I don't know whether they own the parking spaces, I was out of time...

    The conclusion:

    Ugh.....we will make out decision and you should receive notification in the mail in a week. Ughh....

    Post 12:
    HELLO KIDDIES, MAJOR UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So one of the HOA board members just called me:

    Speaking NOT as an HOA board member:


    HOLLY SHNIKEYS! I can't believe this, in what God's Green Earth's bone in their body do they think they are in the right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    He mentioned that the apparent rage and steamy-ness of Head Schmuck and heated-ness of the second. The scamming man was the not a lawyer but the owner. They DID have the said picture on file below from the other Vortexer, and presented it to the board

    Dear Head Schmuck: There is nothing wrong with the picture nor illegal, it's obvious he's having a little fun with this.

    Head Schmuck: We have revoked his parking pass

    HOA BOARD: You can not do that


    Quote- We are going to review the contract <-------- and if it's in there they (APS) can revoke a pass we are taking it out.

    Head Schmuck: He stole our boots!

    HOA: He did not steal your boots in any way, he moved his car, and he called you and told you about it.


    APS HAS JUST OFFICIALLY GONE BOOT CRAZY IN THE PAST 24 HOURS EITHER IN FRUSTRATION OR RETALIATION! I left work this morning and all these cars had these boots on them, all over the place, I got home and my roomy walked in, "Dude, why do all the cars have boots on them?"

    From this phone call I received from the HOA member, "Yeah, they are trying to find ANYTHING to boot everyone, tags, etc."
    Man, these cars that have displayed tags and they have boots on them, one Tahoe got booted for being on the white line, another guy hd to pay $90 to have the boot removed because his tags are expired!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AND A MAJOR PROBLEM! I can't do anything regarding a petition or have them ousted unless I get the owners involved, and only there signatures count! You can't even vote on issues if you are not the owner. All these units are rental properties for ASU students, no one here owns the units but the rich parents on the East Coast! URG!!!


    So I'm not going to wait a week for the letter, and am going to call the HOA president tomorrow, and the officer has not called back, either way it's going to be a juicy update!

    Post 13:

    Well, it's official, they are out to get everyone. As I left the house to the gym other vehicles where booted. ONE WAS A SHASTA POOLS COMPANY TRUCK! ALL IT DID WAS HAVE ONE TIRE ON THE WHITE LINE! Another SUV was booted too, nothing wrong with it, tags where good, parked straight.

    I'm going to start photographing EVERY booted vehicle I see that is unreasonably booted and post, I also will post a picture of the community so you can relate a picture to the story. I also may start leaving contact information, possibly even this link, to those who have been violated. I may also contact Shasta Pools! I stated days ago I may be getting the media involved, with your guys support and as deep as this is going that will be happening Wednesday, June 18th, 2008 for a Phoenix News Station. Postings of time (Internet viewing, maybe someone can record and post on You-Tube) will be posted if a station bites. We have 3 large networks, I'll pick one and go from there.

    My buddy turned to me as we where walking out to my car (a car APS does not know about) tonight after the second post tonight, to go to the gym, and says,"Man, look @ all these poor people, they all have to suffer because of what your trying to do." Oh, let me tell ya, that sucked! These people are in for a hurting just for a common good. If they haven't coughed up the dough come morning and/or are fighting it I'll show you some injustice via pics.

    I'll have this up hopefully by 12:00 Noon Wednesday June 18th, 2008. Within a couple hours I should have a new network contacted and will post again.


    YSSMAN Premium

    United States
    I'd find it questionable if it would even be worthwhile to live there, but nevertheless, he is a great American just by fighting it. My guess is that the HOA will get the boot, but then again, its hard to say. I really dislike any form of HOA... but that's another thread.
  3. Azuremen

    Azuremen Premium

    United States
    Absolutely entertaining read. I want more, MORE I SAY!

    And the way he is handling it is just genius - he is following all the rules clearly.
  4. opendriver


    Good read, that guy is going to win, I can feel it. Either that or the HOA is going to have to deal with it some more (from all of the other people who were wrongfully booted) and they might do something to the private contractors (the booters)
  5. Max_DC


    Read the whole post, really interesting. Can't wait for another update :)
  6. Tornado


    My uncle lives in an HOA. One year, after he scorched his garden by using weed killer, they sent him a notice because all of his grass was dead. So he spray painted it green.
    Another year, he dumped a dead deer carcass in the woods across the street. After the neighbours started complaining that a dead dog was in there from the smell, he became a hero when he donned his gas mask and went in and bagged it.
    My favorite was when he requested the HOA pull a dead bush out from in front of his home. After they did, they sent him a citation for the 5 foot wide whole in his front lawn right by his driveway. So he filled it with gravel and started parking his car over the top of it so the fluids it was leaking at the time wouldn't run down his driveway.
  7. opendriver



    In case anyone was wondering what the car looked like:

  8. DustDriver

    DustDriver Staff Emeritus

    Very funny to read.
    I can't even imagine something like that happening over here.
  9. FoolKiller

    FoolKiller Premium

    United States
    This ranks up there with the guy getting towed at Starbucks that runs out and jump in his car, because it is illegal to tow a car with a person inside it.

    I'll definitely be watching this.
  10. Jondot


    United Kingdom
    Absolutely hilarious. It's really unfortunate they've gone and booted everyone else in the neighbourhood, though.
  11. T-Squared


    United States
    I know this won't happen in Iowa!:dopey:
  12. opendriver


    People are way to nice there, in a good way (went to Knoxville a few years ago). From the daily show last night, talking about Iowa: "...they are so nice that they were giving away pies at toll booths...."

    You think that all of the trouble this booting has caused that they would just drop the case.
  13. Diablomonkey


    HAHA wow.

    My friend as some wheels that are 18X13 with -25 offset...I wonder if you can get a boot on those??
  14. TopHat


    Huh. They locked the thread. Sucks.
  15. Tornado


    No, its good before the moron members of that forum make that kid end up getting sued.
  16. Omnis

    Omnis Staff Emeritus

    United States
    Can the homeowners all get restraining orders against the company?
  17. Pupik

    Pupik Staff Emeritus

    United States
    I used to live in an HOA. They warned people who parked in the street overnight the first time, and then towed on the second offense in a year's time. One time, I forgot to move my car back in the driveway, since we had a bunch of friends over. So I had to pay $80 to get my car out of an impound lot. At least they were nice enough to keep it all to itself, since every other car was placed door to door, end to end. I guess the HOA and towing companies didn't want to get sued.

    Instead, we'd park the cars half a mile away to the clubhouse, and play pick-up-service for those planning on falling asleep on the floor or couch. The problem is these HOAs suck, they don't enforce the rules you'd like to see kept in check, like neighbors that mow their lawn once every three months, for example. Although the call-ahead gate service and pool area was nice.

    I thought about deducting the eighty dollars from the monthly homeowner's fees, but at the last minute I wimped out and paid the full amount, since they weren't terribly keen on three college students sharing a rented house (which was kind of a no-no) in their community first place.
  18. Moglet

    Moglet Premium

    United Kingdom
    Being British, I have to ask; what does HOA stand for? I've seen it a lot in that thread...
  19. Pupik

    Pupik Staff Emeritus

    United States
    HOA = Home Owner's Association, Homeowner's Association. You see various spellings.

    It basically means they can enforce all sorts of rules and regulations, and fine you for making changes to your house that doesn't look like all the others. Nearly all the homes are alike in size and shape, there's a limit to what colors you can repaint, you can't work on your car in the driveway, no commercial vehicles or boats in the driveway or parked on the street...I could go on and on.

    Usually people volunteer to sit on the "board" they elect a leader to finalize the decisions. It's the first step in local politics for a lot of people, which really puts a neighborhood face on democracy...but sometimes you get nosy people looking at your house, chatting about how so-and-so is planning on getting new windows or a roof repaired, how Mr. Y had 30 cars in front of his house until 4am, and Ms. X lets her dog poo everywhere without cleaning up...if you buddy-up enough, they leave you alone. My neighbor was on the board (since he was retired), but he didn't care since we weren't too loud.

    It has some benefits: Home prices stay level with one another in the market, and it keeps the wackos and college students in check. The entrance is beautifully manicured with exotic plants and flowers, there's a clubhouse, workout rooms, pools, security. No cross-streets going through your neighborhood, there's usually only one or two roads leading into the housing development. Last but not least, the gated and guarded security that calls you and identifies anyone that just wants to drop by. So you get zero solicitors.

    I should also mention that not all HOAs are gated communities; some are just selected neighborhoods that band together to improve a couple blocks of homes. There's no fees for that (usually), but corporate-style HOAs are becoming much more the trend in America as home construction companies can advertise the virtues of the neighborhood (but usually not the vices). Part of this is because the roadway structure is evolving away from grids, and cities want lasting neighborhoods and sub-divisions that will be preferable and "kept-up" for years to come: Taxing districts, zoning laws, construction regulations created by the city ensure a meat rendering plant is not built right in front of a middle-class neighborhood, or a 20-story office building is not placed right next to a country club, for example...unless citizens approve it.
  20. Small_Fryz

    Small_Fryz Premium

    Awesome stuff, thanks for the heads up too Pupik, as i also had no idea what HOA was..
  21. YSSMAN

    YSSMAN Premium

    United States
    Then you get people like me who are adamantly against the HOA and all that it stands for, which is always fun. Although he is describing what it is like to live in a gated community, more often than not, you'll see HOA setups pop up in otherwise "regular" neighborhoods. Where I used to live, there were quite a few of them, and you'd always hear horror stories about how they would bully neighbors on otherwise small, meaningless infractions -- even if they weren't a part of the HOA.

    Personally speaking, I'd go out of my way in a situation like that to piss them off, just like my friends did. They had a Jeep that they were restoring in the front side yard, and they ended up receiving enough notices from the HOA that they were threatening to take legal action. Added to that was the apparent "issue" of the skate ramp in their backyard, something that had never been a problem before.

    As I recall, they didn't move the Jeep, they just put a tarp over it. As for the skate ramp, they were about to take it down and build a new one, so they ended up burning it instead. And possibly in a drunken fanfare, pieces may have found their way into neighbor's yards.

    Good times, as always.
  22. Omnis

    Omnis Staff Emeritus

    United States
    HOAs are terrible. I'm in a condo assosciation, but that's quite a bit different and we have very easy rules.

    If I had a freestanding house, I couldn't imagine ever ceding authority over it to some stupid association.
  23. Jim Prower

    Jim Prower Premium

    Do these things even have any legal grounds? I mean, it's like they're governments. I'd think private organizations making what are essentially LAWS would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!
  24. Omnis

    Omnis Staff Emeritus

    United States
    It's like extortion, but it's being allowed by the HOA. HOAs are legal because you choose to live under one by moving into the house it controls.

    I'm not sure how it works for the minority when a majority of houses in a neighborhood create an HOA though. I'm sure they're not allowed to force those opposed to the HOA into it. I would sue if that happened to me. :lol:
  25. Tornado


    In addition to what Omnis said, you usually also have to sign an HOA contract if your home falls is part of an HOA. This allows the citations and whatnot to happen legally.
  26. Kid Ish

    Kid Ish

    I had a similar situation happen to me eight years ago, and it was a university involved. Although I really didn't damage the boot, I did take my car home with the boot in the trunk. (The trick is on the older boots, you lift the car off the ground, the leverage for the lock is compromised.)

    Those boots are expensive. I was wanted for grand theft by the city police department. Instead of returning the goods and having someone still press charges, I ended it like this (embarassment works wonders):

    I broke into the security office of the school and left the boot, clean of prints, on the desk of the head of school security. I never heard from him again, even though he wrote a letter to the registrar meant to keep me from graduating. (Didn't happen.)
  27. Joey D

    Joey D Premium

    United States
  28. Sage

    Sage Staff Emeritus

    Yeah, I was just going to say&#8230; 95GTIVR6, you better edit in any updates, because now a bunch of people from Autoblog are going to be depending on you. ;)
  29. lawstud


    Booting someone's wheel without having the right to appeal violates the 14th Amendment right to Due Process:

    the placement of the wheel boot on X's vehicle was unconstitutional because, although the ticketing of illegally parked vehicles which were left unattended was reasonably certain to provide notice of the parking violation, there was neither a pre-deprivation hearing nor a post-deprivation hearing concerning placement of a wheel boot on a citizen's vehicle, and such failure to provide a meaningful opportunity to be heard on the matter amounted to a violation of U.S. Const. amend. XIV. ((265 F. Supp. 2d 995)

    5th Amendment Taking without due process.
    1. state actors _ when people act like the government (perform a public function or jointly participate) they can be held to be the state. - the rent-a-cops are performing a public function that is like the police.
    2. state cannot take your property without just compensation.
    3. temporary physical occupation is a taking requiring compensation

    --if the parking company has exclusive possession of the property suing them for trespass to chattel may not work out. If they own the parking they can protect it with boots.

    If they do not then you should get a lawyer and sue these guys. Most likely in federal court and/or state court.
  30. T-Squared


    United States
    I didn't even know we had toll booths in Iowa...