Another dealer refusing to sell eBay car

[CodeRedR51]

This is making the rounds today, so I thought I would post it here too. Guy in Alaska bid on and won an auction on eBay for a 2009 Nissan GT-R Sunday night. Winning bid was $55,100 USD and a "no reserve" listing. Guy emails the dealer on Sunday night to put a deposit down on the car, and did not receive a response. He called them Monday morning and was told "we're not selling the car to you for that price". They want $59,000 USD for the car, and have it listed on their website for $62,000.

So here we go, yet another dealer trying to avoid selling a car for less than they want, even though they entered into a legally binding contract by selling the car on eBay. This dealer even threatened to sue the Motor Authority website for posting about the ordeal on the internet. Little do they know the author of the article is actually a lawyer!

Original Thread at my350Z.com

Autoblog Article

Motor Authority Article

This has also been posted on Motor Trend's website. 👍

 

[Zenith]

🤬 really hit the fan on this story! $4,000 probably isn't that much for the dealer, they probably want him to pay the whole 59K as to not feel embarrassed for their mistake. Hilarious how they're now plastered on an auto magazine for breaking the rules.

 

[samie57]

That sucks for the guy. Greedy Dealers!

 

[homeforsummer]

Heh, I write for the network that runs Motor Authority and I didn't realise the dealership had threatened to sue! Wasn't really paying attention to the story and assumed it was just a storm in a teacup.

Doesn't sound like the dealership has much ground to stand on...

 

[Cowboys965]

I would be mad, but wow a Nissan GTR, nice

 

[JCE]

$62k for a pre-owned GT-R is a good deal unless the mileage was very high.

Definitely feel for the buyer.

 

[CAM]

Well aren't they required by law to give it to him now, if he pays? There was no reserve, it's kind of the dealer's problem now.

 

[Moot]

Has there ever been a case of ebay auction "legal contract" ever been enforced by law?
Daily millions of things never get sold or paid for, even though these are supposedly legal contracts.
I think everyone knows it's more trouble to take it to court than to just resell your item , or look to purchase what you want elsewhere.
Making a deal happen leaves you open to spiteful vengeful action.
If the court ordered the GTR to be handed over the dealer might decide to take a dump in the fuel filler or something to leave his mark on the car to make things even.
I wouldn't want to have the car.

 

[Cowboys965]

Has there ever been a case of ebay auction "legal contract" ever been enforced by law?
Daily millions of things never get sold or paid for, even though these are supposedly legal contracts.
I think everyone knows it's more trouble to take it to court than to just resell your item , or look to purchase what you want elsewhere.
Making a deal happen leaves you open to spiteful vengeful action.
If the court ordered the GTR to be handed over the dealer might decide to take a dump in the fuel filler or something to leave his mark on the car to make things even.
I wouldn't want to have the car.

That wouldn't be good

 

[CAM]

If the court ordered the GTR to be handed over the dealer might decide to take a dump in the fuel filler or something to leave his mark on the car to make things even.

Don't you think someone in the legal system would find it a little fishy that a car just purchased from a dealer that didn't want to sell it had problems? After your posts in the London Riot thread last night, I'm beginning to wonder if you think before you post.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Don't you think someone in the legal system would find it a little fishy that a car just purchased from a dealer that didn't want to sell it had problems? After your posts in the London Riot thread last night, I'm beginning to wonder if you think before you post.

+1

Anyway, Motortrend posted an update and the owner of the dealership is going to allow the sale. I guess they got tired of the internet hounding them so much.

Guess the purchaser is currently talking to a lawyer, so we'll see what happens here.

 

[Moot]

Don't you think someone in the legal system would find it a little fishy that a car just purchased from a dealer that didn't want to sell it had problems? After your posts in the London Riot thread last night, I'm beginning to wonder if you think before you post.

Do I have to think before I post sir?
Why do you presume the owner would know about the "problem".
I'm suggesting, whatever it may be, the dealer might do something to spite the new owner.
Which is why people give advise to never complain about food in cafes/restaurants and get a replacement. If you must complain, you leave, preferably with a partial refund. I have heard lots of stories, even about people who don't complain.
Anyway this dealer will be incredibly peeved to have been taken to court and to have lost etc. He will be fuming angry. The odds are something could happen from it.
The additional aspect may be so what if he gets found out? It will be worth it just to get back at the owner. He won't be thinking rationally. Getting even is a powerful force.
..........

And come on, you do some thinking rather than just have a go at me please. If you have limited skills of thought it's not my fault it's probably your parents.

 

[Robin]

Has there ever been a case of ebay auction "legal contract" ever been enforced by law?
Daily millions of things never get sold or paid for, even though these are supposedly legal contracts.

I think its all price relative, most are not willing to fight over a couple of bucks in the day to day sales and PayPal with usually refund most issues. However when its this amount of dosh it matters.

Also most sellers on ebay are pretty untraceable whereas in this case its a big auto dealership that can't suddenly disappear off the map!

I'm glad the guys going to get the car now but I'm worried what the dealer might do to it out of spite before handing it over...

 

[CAM]

Do I have to think before I post sir?

It's recommended, so you don't sound ignorant, yes.

Why do you presume the owner would know about the "problem".

Because if they didn't, then it would have been pointless for the dealer to cause said problem to the car because they'd get no satisfaction in sabotaging the purchase.

The additional aspect may be so what if he gets found out? It will be worth it just to get back at the owner. He won't be thinking rationally. Getting even is a powerful force.

Having to pay additional fines and face the law for not following a jury's decision is what will happen if he gets found out, along with having to repair the car probably.

And come on, you do some thinking rather than just have a go at me please. If you have limited skills of thought it's not my fault it's probably your parents.

If the best you can do is insult my parents because my logic has no gaping holes, unlike yours, then you probably have the limited skill set. Not me. Reported.

 

[Moot]

I said IF you have limited skills. I don't know if you do. But you gave a sign of it which I interpreted. Just as you view my posts in a certain way. (in an insulting way to me)
And I am factually correct to give some blame to your parents IF your intelligence is lacking. See thread on genetics and intelligence.
I won't report you this time, lucky you.
Edit: changed my mind I have reported you. Unlucky.

 

[gogatrs]

I've had something not been paid for on eBay before. :/
There is absolutely nothing you can do.
eBay can't just take the guys money.
They simply give you back your money from the insertion free and that's that.

 

[McLaren]

This guy nearly shot himself in the foot when he started posting links to FB pages that centered around vandalizing/slandering/etc. the dealership on other forums.

He needs to just keep hush-hush now. If the dealer is going to consider a lawsuit for slandering, you can bet they'll start digging through his threads.

What I can't believe is that this is over $4,000. The dealer should still see that as a good deal & this guy shouldn't be raising this much fuss over that amount since it's now took a turn of them counter-suing him.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I've had something not been paid for on eBay before. :/
There is absolutely nothing you can do.
eBay can't just take the guys money.
They simply give you back your money from the insertion free and that's that.

Different situation here.

What I can't believe is that this is over $4,000. The dealer should still see that as a good deal & this guy shouldn't be raising this much fuss over that amount since it's now took a turn of them counter-suing him.

He's going over that right now with a lawyer and plans on contacting the dealership tomorrow.

 

[Moot]

I've had something not been paid for on eBay before. :/
There is absolutely nothing you can do.
eBay can't just take the guys money.
They simply give you back your money from the insertion free and that's that.

And never send a cancellation request if you're the seller. If you do this, ebay asks the buyer do you wish to cancel? If they say no, the transaction will end but you will get no refund. Also they can still leave negative feedback. It's just trouble.
Always go through the unpaid item process.

This guy nearly shot himself in the foot when he started posting links to FB pages that centered around vandalizing/slandering/etc. the dealership on other forums.

He needs to just keep hush-hush now. If the dealer is going to consider a lawsuit for slandering, you can bet they'll start digging through his threads.

If he has already done that it is too late for him.
Even if he deletes his posts.

 

[McLaren]

He's going over that right now with a lawyer and plans on contacting the dealership tomorrow.

Is he, or is he making more posts on his other forum about what he plans to do if the dealer even damages the car in any way?

But, he's finally getting the car now & a bit lucky at that, as he was getting extremely eager to keep letting private details slip.

http://wot.motortrend.com/gt-r-for-55100-dealer-latest-to-refuse-to-honor-ebay-auction-105645.html

UPDATE: Honda San Marcos owner Randall Ammons returned our request for a comment. Ammons told us that the dealership plans on honoring the agreed upon eBay auction price. Ammons said over the phone, “Bottom line, the person who listed it did so incorrectly; that’s our fault.” Ammons continued, “We spent years getting a great reputation, and a deal’s a deal, we’re going to honor it.” Ammons said they’ve contacted Vang and are currently waiting to hear back from him. While Honda San Marcos’ initial reaction might not have been the best, we applaud Ammons for making things right. Mr. Vang, if you’re reading this, get in contact with them – Godzilla’s waiting!

 

[Moot]

I'm sure something like this must have happened literally thousands of times before on ebay regarding car auctions ending the "wrong" price.
There must be some anecdotal stories over what things have happened. In terms of revenge etc.
I know in the UK someone drove a long way to the other person involved in the transaction to commit vandalism or threat to harm.
There must be plenty of stories also saying "What he didn't know was....." some nasty deed.

There could be a nice GTR with four flat tyres in the next week or so.
There is a guy lives near me who just knives tyres of people that annoy him, ie neighbours. Everybody knows it's him. But there is no evidence. The dealer could pretty much do anything in a way that there is not proper evidence. Even if it's obvious. He also knows the address of the new owner...

Another story about this neighbour, my mothers nice car was found to have moved about 2 meters further down the hill from where it was parked, behind it up the hill was parked this guys car, tow bar facing my mothers, and a big dent and broken numberplate on my mothers car. The paint of my mothers car was on his tow bar, the height of it and size of damage was measured to exactly match the tow bar. The police were called, they got him outside to look. He just says " I don't recall hitting any car, it could have been anyone".
He goes. The police just say to my mother "sorry".
No further action.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Is he, or is he making more posts on his other forum about what he plans to do if the dealer even damages the car in any way?

The only posts I have seen him make were very short and to the point. I haven't seen him make any negative posts against the dealership. All the negativity toward the dealer is coming from the rest of the internet that knows about the story.

Edit:

They were trying to sue him for slander. They are mad because it affected their business. I'm sure they will drop the charges but you must make sure they don't continue to press charges and just drop them. Otherwise he could have a gtr and still be sued. I'm sure that won't happen though. U just have to cover it add because u never know.

The lawyer that the guy is talking to is ^^^ that guy's father.

 

[McLaren]

He's not just posting this on 350Z, though. There's a decent size thread on AZine with him posting things that could have given his case trouble.He posted a Facebook page that was intent on slandering the dealer & then deleted it when everyone asked him, wtf he was doing.

Either way, good for him.

 

[mafia_boy]

Epic domination. Good on the 350Z community for sticking up for this guy.

 

[Pupik]

There could be a nice GTR with four flat tyres in the next week or so.

Spend some time putting a knife through the sidewall of a rather low-profile Run-Flat tire and lets us know how it went.

Take pictures of yourself doing it, it's all the rage, lately.

 

[Moot]

I take it you mean it's impossible?
Are GTR tyres run flats?

Perhaps a snip to the brake pipes with some pliers/cutters would be more suited?

 

[CAM]

If the court ordered the GTR to be handed over the dealer might decide to take a dump in the fuel filler or something to leave his mark on the car to make things even.

Anyway this dealer will be incredibly peeved to have been taken to court and to have lost etc. He will be fuming angry. The odds are something could happen from it.
The additional aspect may be so what if he gets found out? It will be worth it just to get back at the owner. He won't be thinking rationally. Getting even is a powerful force.

There could be a nice GTR with four flat tyres in the next week or so.

Perhaps a snip to the brake pipes with some pliers/cutters would be more suited?

Would you like to reiterate again to us how you think that the GT-R will be sabotaged? I'm sure you can think of a few more reasons .

 

[Moot]

Well I thought of 1 but then it got dismissed because of technical reasons.
A dastardly plan can not exist when it's been done on pupik mythbusters as impossible.

 

[CAM]

I don't know what to say. Pupik mythbusters? He's a pretty smart guy, maybe you should listen to him.

 

[Moot]

I did, that's why I had to provide a new point of vandalism.
My tyre idea got mythbusted.*
I'm not sure how you are reading my posts. Obviously not in the right way.

*But it happens for real according to my neighbours reports. Maybe he has cheap tyres. OR is maybe using hammer and nails and not a knife.
It probably doesnt matter does it? So You needn't worry about it. Your tone concerns me.