Anybody else ever surprised by a car's performance?

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I was fiddling around today (having beaten the game entire, I tend to "fiddle" quite a bit).. Figured I'd try to come up with something similar to KITT (ye olde Knight Rider Trans Am). Seeing as how there's no Pontiacs in the game, I used a black Camaro SS. From certain angles on the replay, it does look rather like KITT, especially if you put black wheels on it.

Anyway, since KITT is a high performance vehicle, I souped it up to the max. 741hp, all the bells & whistles. I was toying around with it in Arcade Mode, and picked an "Easy" race at Tokyo. Just to get some pretty replays and such. I temporarily forgot that the game picks your opponents based on the performance of the car you're using, so imagine my surprise when I see myself lined up against a full grid of race cars, including the R390 and 787B. And imagine my surprise when I actually BEAT them. Driving like a maniac to stay a nose in front of that 787B, but still... I've never beaten that car with anything except the Indy cars, and once or twice with my own 787B. And now a frikkin' Camaro of all things.. hehe.

Made for one helluva replay, though.. which of course, I forgot to save. I'll have to try again tomorrow.. hehe.

Anybody else ever do something like this? Soup up a car for ****s and grins and have it perform beyond your expectations?
 
Jedi2016
I was fiddling around today (having beaten the game entire, I tend to "fiddle" quite a bit).. Figured I'd try to come up with something similar to KITT (ye olde Knight Rider Trans Am). Seeing as how there's no Pontiacs in the game, I used a black Camaro SS. From certain angles on the replay, it does look rather like KITT, especially if you put black wheels on it.

Anyway, since KITT is a high performance vehicle, I souped it up to the max. 741hp, all the bells & whistles. I was toying around with it in Arcade Mode, and picked an "Easy" race at Tokyo. Just to get some pretty replays and such. I temporarily forgot that the game picks your opponents based on the performance of the car you're using, so imagine my surprise when I see myself lined up against a full grid of race cars, including the R390 and 787B. And imagine my surprise when I actually BEAT them. Driving like a maniac to stay a nose in front of that 787B, but still... I've never beaten that car with anything except the Indy cars, and once or twice with my own 787B. And now a frikkin' Camaro of all things.. hehe.

Made for one helluva replay, though.. which of course, I forgot to save. I'll have to try again tomorrow.. hehe.

Anybody else ever do something like this? Soup up a car for ****s and grins and have it perform beyond your expectations?
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Yeah my maxed out 2000 Cobra R beat some of the Japanese race cars.
 
RX-7_FC_DrIfteR
oh yes the power of tuning your car :dunce:
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Even you should be able to see the difference between 'tuning your car' and getting a live-axle, front-engined street car to beat a purpose-built Le Mans winning racing prototype...

:dunce: yourself.
 
Jedi2016
I was fiddling around today (having beaten the game entire, I tend to "fiddle" quite a bit).. Figured I'd try to come up with something similar to KITT (ye olde Knight Rider Trans Am). Seeing as how there's no Pontiacs in the game, I used a black Camaro SS. From certain angles on the replay, it does look rather like KITT, especially if you put black wheels on it.

Anyway, since KITT is a high performance vehicle, I souped it up to the max. 741hp, all the bells & whistles. I was toying around with it in Arcade Mode, and picked an "Easy" race at Tokyo. Just to get some pretty replays and such. I temporarily forgot that the game picks your opponents based on the performance of the car you're using, so imagine my surprise when I see myself lined up against a full grid of race cars, including the R390 and 787B. And imagine my surprise when I actually BEAT them. Driving like a maniac to stay a nose in front of that 787B, but still... I've never beaten that car with anything except the Indy cars, and once or twice with my own 787B. And now a frikkin' Camaro of all things.. hehe.

Made for one helluva replay, though.. which of course, I forgot to save. I'll have to try again tomorrow.. hehe.

Anybody else ever do something like this? Soup up a car for ****s and grins and have it perform beyond your expectations?
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BTW - those aren't Indy cars in GT3. They are Formula 1 cars, please get your ramblings straight.
 
I was under the impression that the F-cars were from both Indy and F1. The particular cars in question, the F090/S and F094/S seem to physically resemble Indy cars more than they do F1 cars.

Neon_Duke: Thank you.. that was exactly the point I was trying to make.

After playing the game for three years, I think I know what tuning a car generally does. I was only pointing out that this particular car surprised me, in performing beyond what I had anticipated.
 
They are all F1 cars

F686M - Mansell's 1986 Williams
F687S - Senna's 1987 Lotus
F688S/P002 - Senna's 1988 McLaren
F090S - Senna's 1990 McLaren
F094H - Hill's 1994 Williams
F094S/P001 - Senna's 1994 Williams
 
daan
They are all F1 cars

F686M - Mansell's 1986 Williams
F687S - Senna's 1987 Lotus
F688S/P002 - Senna's 1988 McLaren
F090S - Senna's 1990 McLaren
F094H - Hill's 1994 Williams
F094S/P001 - Senna's 1994 Williams
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Thank you for digging this up, I was just starting to look for it.

And yes...it matters. Formula one is the top end of motorsport. Indy cars aren't even close, though sadly they are the best my fellow American's can do with open wheel cars.
 
I was a bit surprised that running the board challenge a while back that the Spoon S2000 Race Car, max tuned, can actually beat up on the GT500 cars. On the varied-elevation Apricot Hill no less. It doesn't have the torque of the Supras, nor the high-end power of the NSXs, but it can be made to beat them with only 355hp.

I was also surprised at the last challenge driving the S4 on dirt. I didn't expect it to be very good, since it was a heavy street car without downforce adjustment. But sure enough, it was quite fun.

Lastly, using the weakest of the F1's (the F090/S), I was happy to win the FGT series with it. I still like how it handles more than any of the others.
 
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Jedi2016
I was toying around with it in Arcade Mode, and picked an "Easy" race at Tokyo.
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You guys shouldn't be too surprised. Any car you pick SHOULD be able to beat any AI on Easy. I think I read on these forums before that the AI doesn't go full throttle on easy.

I beat Cote D'azur on Hard with the same SS Camaro with Super Slicks and TCS/AYC off, now THAT was a b1tch.
 
Civicbus
You guys shouldn't be too surprised. Any car you pick SHOULD be able to beat any AI on Easy. I think I read on these forums before that the AI doesn't go full throttle on easy.

I beat Cote D'azur on Hard with the same SS Camaro with Super Slicks and TCS/AYC off, now THAT was a b1tch.
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Also running a SIM car with your tuning and mods (slight to full) on it against the AI in easy or normal mode in arcade is like shooting frogs in a barrel, even in hard mode 9 times out of 10 you will still win.
 
Well I once beat an R390, Toyota GT1 and a Mazda 787B on Deep forest raceway in a stcok Oreca Viper in a Hard Mode arcade race.
 
kensei
Also running a SIM car with your tuning and mods (slight to full) on it against the AI in easy or normal mode in arcade is like shooting frogs in a barrel, even in hard mode 9 times out of 10 you will still win.
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yep, exactly. Easy or hard, I was just making a point that it's all relatively easy til you race pro mode.
 
Hey Jedi, do you remember what rims you put on that Camaro to make it look like KITT? I would have thought a black Corvette Z06 would look close to the Trans Am in a race also (if only you could get that Corvette Grand Sport in black, it already has the black rims, and the wedge shape is perfect!)
 
daan
They are all F1 cars

F686M - Mansell's 1986 Williams
F687S - Senna's 1987 Lotus
F688S/P002 - Senna's 1988 McLaren
F090S - Senna's 1990 McLaren
F094H - Hill's 1994 Williams
F094S/P001 - Senna's 1994 Williams
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the sad day in f1 racing was when aerton senna dies while racing the fo90s mclaren i watch it all on tv when i was living in england

i grew up watching the f1 races since i was a little boy and senna was the best driver until he died . he died because they changed the cars traction control and it locked up on him so he spun doing about 180 and nailed a wall and he died on the way 2 the hospital

senna and nigel mansell where the 2 top drivers back then and they where competing for top rank at the time but mansell decided 2 quit after he died cause there wasnt any competition any more plus he lost a friend so he came over here to america and tried indy car and test drove around a couple off tracks and set new records on all the oval tracks this was 10 years ago or more but hes retierd now.

just thought ud like a little history on f1 drivers like senna and mansell


p.s. damon hills father was also a f1 driver back in the 70s i think both mansell and hill where british drivers senna was italian
 
sgtstix
the sad day in f1 racing was when aerton senna dies while racing the fo90s mclaren i watch it all on tv when i was living in england

i grew up watching the f1 races since i was a little boy and senna was the best driver until he died . he died because they changed the cars traction control and it locked up on him so he spun doing about 180 and nailed a wall and he died on the way 2 the hospital

senna and nigel mansell where the 2 top drivers back then and they where competing for top rank at the time but mansell decided 2 quit after he died cause there wasnt any competition any more plus he lost a friend so he came over here to america and tried indy car and test drove around a couple off tracks and set new records on all the oval tracks this was 10 years ago or more but hes retierd now.

just thought ud like a little history on f1 drivers like senna and mansell


p.s. damon hills father was also a f1 driver back in the 70s i think both mansell and hill where british drivers senna was italian
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Did you see the race when Mansells rear tire blew on the straight whilst he was trying to over take Senna to win the Championship? Now that was driving, how he didn't spin and smash it up in the wall we'll never know. Shame that the GT series doesn't take into account things like that. It would be a good test of reaction time.
 
sgtstix
the sad day in f1 racing was when aerton senna dies while racing the fo90s mclaren i watch it all on tv when i was living in england

i grew up watching the f1 races since i was a little boy and senna was the best driver until he died . he died because they changed the cars traction control and it locked up on him so he spun doing about 180 and nailed a wall and he died on the way 2 the hospital

senna and nigel mansell where the 2 top drivers back then and they where competing for top rank at the time but mansell decided 2 quit after he died cause there wasnt any competition any more plus he lost a friend so he came over here to america and tried indy car and test drove around a couple off tracks and set new records on all the oval tracks this was 10 years ago or more but hes retierd now.

just thought ud like a little history on f1 drivers like senna and mansell


p.s. damon hills father was also a f1 driver back in the 70s i think both mansell and hill where british drivers senna was italian
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I've never read as much bollocks in my life!

Please explain....

How could Senna die driving a McLaren F090s? The F090s does not exist. It's only a GT3 car. The car he was driving was the Williams Renault FW14.

He dies becasue they changed the traction control? Who knows what happened? The car went off due to it bottoming out on the bumps, probably.

He did not die on the way to hospital. He died at the track. A piece of suspension penetrated his helmet and entered his brain.

Senna died in 1994. Mansell was in Indycars during 1993 & 1994. He also drove for Williams F1 in 1994 replacing Senna after his death for a few races, sharing the car with DC.

And as NQ pointed out, Senna was Brazilian not Italian.

sgtstix
just thought ud like a little history on f1 drivers like senna and mansell
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But your made up history doesn't mean anything.
 
I'd like to concur with daan.

Anyone wishing to learn something about Formula One history please erase all memories of sgtstix's post after the beep.

*beep*
 
daan
The car he was driving was the Williams Renault FW14.
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One correction to make, the Willams Renault Ayrton drove in 1994 was the FW16.

sgtstix
the sad day in f1 racing was when aerton senna dies while racing the fo90s mclaren i watch it all on tv when i was living in england

i grew up watching the f1 races since i was a little boy and senna was the best driver until he died . he died because they changed the cars traction control and it locked up on him so he spun doing about 180 and nailed a wall and he died on the way 2 the hospital

senna and nigel mansell where the 2 top drivers back then and they where competing for top rank at the time but mansell decided 2 quit after he died cause there wasnt any competition any more plus he lost a friend so he came over here to america and tried indy car and test drove around a couple off tracks and set new records on all the oval tracks this was 10 years ago or more but hes retierd now.

just thought ud like a little history on f1 drivers like senna and mansell


p.s. damon hills father was also a f1 driver back in the 70s i think both mansell and hill where british drivers senna was italian
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Ok WOW. Just like Daan and Famine said, you dont know F1 at ALL. Sad thing of all is if it really is true that you've been watching F1 since you were a kid then I wouldnt be bragging about that.

Ayrton didnt spin out in Tamburello, its unknown and highly speculated as to what really caused the wreck. Bottoming out alone, or bottoming out and the steering wheel shaft breaking, leaving him with no control over the car. Either way the end result couldnt have been avoided, noone will survive having a hot piece of metal entering their brain. "well" it could have been avioded if we had todays safety measures back then, or at least a tire barrier next to the wall.

It was actually Alain Prost "the 1993 champion" who said he'd never step foot in a formula 1 car ever again after the death of his friend and greatest rival.


Italian :lol: thats just awful "not being Italian" 93' Brazilian GP :) home crowd swarmed his car after he won, during the cool down lap. They carried him on top of their sholders, truely one of the greatest moments in F1 history "for me at least".

Sgstix, do you have SPEED channel? I suggest that you watch F1 Decade, they just finished the 94' season. Next year during the same week of the Australian GP they will be showing the first race of the 95' season "brazilian GP" You can learn alot from watching these shows, esepecially since the hosts of the show were there in person back then + Steve Matchet was an actual Mechanic for Beneton Ford back then as well so he has a vast technical knowlege, along with Bob Varsha and David Hobbs immense historical knowlege.
 
3rdgenracerX
One correction to make, the Willams Renault Ayrton drove in 1994 was the FW16.
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Oh well. At least I got the important bits right :D
 
Every bit is important when it comes to history....taking the liberty to change one thing, ( while maybe unintentionaly ) is wrong, and erases "small" happenings that could and will change the future.
 
Great Scott!!!!, not a Paradox :lol:

I think the widley regarded reason for the Senna crash was the car bottoming out on a fast turn, removing the downforce created from the aerodynamics under the car, and causing the car to slide off the track and into the wall.
 
DQuaN
Great Scott!!!!, not a Paradox :lol:

I think the widley regarded reason for the Senna crash was the car bottoming out on a fast turn, removing the downforce created from the aerodynamics under the car, and causing the car to slide off the track and into the wall.
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wasn't there something about cold tires form the saftey car period just prior?

I also remember the judge in the case ruling it was his "modified" steering column that failed. Though I always felt that was more the legal defination of what caused the crash, I remember DC saying that the sorta of flex the column had was par for the course...of course all the drama after the incident allowed for many many conspiracy theories and such.
 
Definitely the RUF RGT. With the proper tuning (and believe me, very proper; it took me 3 days to get it driving right), it can outrun and outmaneuver any race car. Plus it look badass.
 

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