Anybody else notice these issues with the F2007?

[Spinodontosauru]

Where to start...
Power. The Ferrari 248 F1 reportedly churned out 785bhp by the end of the 2006 season. At the end of 2006, engine development was frozen, supposedly (I say this because development in the reliability department certainly seems to occur still), but the engines are still largely the same even today. The primary difference between them I guess is to do with the rev limit, 19000rpm was universal in 2007, whilst in 2006 they had none and many revved to ~20000rpm.
So, I've just bought the F2007 and.... 666bhp? What. Even GP2 cars have 612bhp... Where did the 119bhp go? And did I just see only 6 whatevers of torque? ._.

Now in the description, PD make some ridiculous errors.
"Louis Hamilton" , its LEWIS.
"It was his [Kimi Raikkonen] debut year". All right then.
And no mention of the actual characteristics of the car (like how it was so dominant on the high speed tracks such as Spa, but was inferior to the Mclaren on tracks like Monaco) or the flat floor thing they tried at the begining of the season?

Also, what on earth is up with the gear change time, F1 cars change gears faster than you can blink your eye (ten times faster, I belive), yet in game it shifts about as fast as a tuned RX-7? It should be like it is here.

And then, why on earth have they prevented you from using it in regular races online? It is stupid, what is the point of charging 12.5 million for an underpowered car that you can almost never use anyway?

Finaly, is there anyway to change your username? I seem to have managed to miss an 's' of of the end of mine...

 

[NFSCARBON1]

The F1 cars are the same as normal cars. Regular Oil changes and running in will increase the power. The description is possibly one of the worst in GT5.
As to not being able to use it in regualar races it has been covered many time us before on this site.

You can't change your username unless you are a Premium member. If the mods are feeling particularly kind they may do it for you, but that is very unlikely.

 

[deep_sky]

"And then, why on earth have they prevented you from using it in regular races online? It is stupid, what is the point of charging 12.5 million for an underpowered car that you can almost never use anyway?"

Kaz tweeted that Ferrari don't allow it. So PD obviously have to respect that.

There are plenty of mistakes with the descriptions, but as per the credits, they appear to have been done by a Japanese car magazine, so there are plenty of translation errors, amongst other inaccuracies.

 

[Scotracer]

With an oil change the F2007 goes to 712BHP...which is still about 45BHP too low.

 

[Obsidian-2]

I have two F2007's, they are both at 720 hp in the car selection screen and 721 hp once you actually select the car. Similar mileage on both, around 500 miles so I think it has peaked.

I love the car, for me it's one of the best in the game. I'm not bothered at all over a few description errors ... I'd rather drive it than read about it any day.

I do the Ferrari F1 seasonals quite a lot, earning over $500K a pop. Oh I manually shift and sometimes it's hard to keep up without hitting the rev limiter, especially 1 through 3 ... I think it shifts plenty fast enough.

 

[Enzo309]

Where to start...
Power. The Ferrari 248 F1 reportedly churned out 785bhp by the end of the 2006 season. At the end of 2006, engine development was frozen, supposedly (I say this because development in the reliability department certainly seems to occur still), but the engines are still largely the same even today. The primary difference between them I guess is to do with the rev limit, 19000rpm was universal in 2007, whilst in 2006 they had none and many revved to ~20000rpm.
So, I've just bought the F2007 and.... 666bhp? What. Even GP2 cars have 612bhp... Where did the 119bhp go? And did I just see only 6 whatevers of torque? ._.

Now in the description, PD make some ridiculous errors.
"Louis Hamilton" , its LEWIS.
"It was his [Kimi Raikkonen] debut year".

All right then.
And no mention of the actual characteristics of the car (like how it was so
dominant on the high speed tracks such as Spa, but was inferior to the Mclaren on tracks like Monaco) or the flat floor thing they tried at the begining of the season?

Also, what on earth is up with the gear change time, F1 cars change gears faster than you can blink
your eye (ten times faster, I belive), yet in game it
shifts about as fast as a tuned RX-7? It should be like it is here.

And then, why on earth have they prevented you from using it in regular races online? It is stupid, what is the point of charging 12.5 million for an underpowered car that you can almost never use anyway?

Finaly, is there anyway to change your username? I seem to have managed to miss an 's' of of the end of mine...

There's different kinds of regulations from 2006 onwards

Its not underpowered and you have to break in the engine first , after you do 500 kms you'll realize your wrong and you have a lot more wrong points too because the latest gp2 car's for 2011 produces 580 hp , your figures are not correct for the engines.

Currently in GT5 the f2007 is even faster than the F10 and at the same time it is ridicolously easy
for an F1 car.

Aerodynamic regulation wise when a 2007 f1 car gets out of slip stream it slows an awful lot more and it's much slower than a 2009 f1 car getting out of slip stream.

But in GT5 they both do the same because the game isn't really as complex as in reality but otherwise the f2007 is faster.

 

[shigllgetcha]

Finaly, is there anyway to change your username? I seem to have managed to miss an 's' of of the end of mine...

You have one post, just make another username

 

[TCSdisable]

The Reason is Simple, PD is not FIA

The car power was free in Non F1 race

 

[zippy_the_cat]

F2007 is the best high-speed runner in the game, period. Puts the FGT and X2010 in the shade for sheer driving pleasure, and doesn't have the force-feedback issues of the F10. The F10 would be a worthy choice too -- great handling, different than the F2007's -- but I worry about the shimmy/grinding reducing the life of my wheel.

 

[Sander 001]

Where to start...
Power. The Ferrari 248 F1 reportedly churned out 785bhp by the end of the 2006 season. At the end of 2006, engine development was frozen, supposedly (I say this because development in the reliability department certainly seems to occur still), but the engines are still largely the same even today. The primary difference between them I guess is to do with the rev limit, 19000rpm was universal in 2007, whilst in 2006 they had none and many revved to ~20000rpm.
So, I've just bought the F2007 and.... 666bhp? What. Even GP2 cars have 612bhp... Where did the 119bhp go? And did I just see only 6 whatevers of torque? ._.

Now in the description, PD make some ridiculous errors.
"Louis Hamilton" , its LEWIS.
"It was his [Kimi Raikkonen] debut year". All right then.
And no mention of the actual characteristics of the car (like how it was so dominant on the high speed tracks such as Spa, but was inferior to the Mclaren on tracks like Monaco) or the flat floor thing they tried at the begining of the season?

Also, what on earth is up with the gear change time, F1 cars change gears faster than you can blink your eye (ten times faster, I belive), yet in game it shifts about as fast as a tuned RX-7? It should be like it is here.

And then, why on earth have they prevented you from using it in regular races online? It is stupid, what is the point of charging 12.5 million for an underpowered car that you can almost never use anyway?

Finaly, is there anyway to change your username? I seem to have managed to miss an 's' of of the end of mine...

I'm hungry for swiss cheese after this post; there are so many holes in it:
-Nowhere does it say it was Raikkonen's debut year and nor does it ever spell it "Louis".
-Even casual F1 fans know that HP figures are top secret and/or are intentionally misconstrued. Those "reports" are entirely speculative. Even still, small changes to regs can have a significant effect on power.

I'll stop, I'm hungry now.

 

[Midnight Snacks]

I'm hungry for swiss cheese after this post; there are so many holes in it:
-Nowhere does it say it was Raikkonen's debut year and nor does it ever spell it "Louis".
-Even casual F1 fans know that HP figures are top secret and/or are intentionally misconstrued. Those "reports" are entirely speculative. Even still, small changes to regs can have a significant effect on power.

I'll stop, I'm hungry now.

It says "Louis" and it does talk about Kimi's debut year, silly.

 

[TBR 427]

Maybe they just looked at Louis' helmet after one of the many crashes he's caused?
Or maybe it's because he's bloody foolish, as evidenced by this year's Melbourne and Monaco antics off-track.

As for the Raikonen bit, I'm assuming they missed the "...for Ferrari" at the end, as he did win for them in his debut year for them (I think).

 

[SuperCobraJet]

-Even casual F1 fans know that HP figures are top secret and/or are intentionally misconstrued.

Which is the case in many racing classes.

The NASCAR Cup cars in the game are listed at 824hp and will go up to 846hp or so.

By the math, it is believed they are pushing the 900hp mark in unrestricted trim.

They may even be hitting that at times.

Pretty incredible for a 355ci, OHV, pushrod, naturally aspirated V-8 with about 9500 rpm redline and a 500 mile longevity.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Exactly this. Noone knows how much bhp F1 cars are pushing. PD probably did the maths and worked out from their knowledge of the car what kind of bhp would give representative lap times... just like all the teams do for each other's cars.

The description certainly is a stinker but I guess you can forgive them if some things have been translated phonetically. Mis-spelling 'Lewis' as 'Louis' is probably nothing compared to how we would manage if we had to translate into Japanese

 

[will-i-am]

They probally spelled it wrong so they dont have to pay Hamilton. Ferrari probally dont want to be seen getting beat so thats why you can only race one make with the F1. They beat each other. Who knows but im sure it has to do with money and pride!!


I think im going to buy one today. I keep hitting 20 mil!!!

 

[Sander 001]

It says "Louis" and it does talk about Kimi's debut year, silly.

I know there are many bootlegging PS3 games these days, but I have an unmodified PS3 and a legit copy of GT5.
It says "Lewis Hamilton" and there's no mention of it being Raikkonen's debut year at Ferrari or otherwise.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I know there are many bootlegging PS3 games these days, but I have an unmodified PS3 and a legit copy of GT5.
It says "Lewis Hamilton" and there's no mention of it being Raikkonen's debut year at Ferrari or otherwise.

Are you serious?

I definitely don't have a bootleg and I definitely have the dodgy F1 2007 description.

More here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=166112

Tut tut, all those people running bootleg copies of GT5 online. With the new updates. However are they managing it?

 

[Obsidian-2]

I just checked the descriptions for both of my F2007's ... no errors, "Lewis" is spelled correctly and there is no mention of Kimi Raikkonen's debut year at all. OP must have a hacked version of the game, LOL.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I just checked the descriptions for both of my F2007's ... no errors, "Lewis" is spelled correctly and there is no mention of Kimi Raikkonen's debut year at all. OP must have a hacked version of the game, LOL.

Which region are you in?

 

[will-i-am]

Bought it last night. It says Massa and Kimi are the drivers and LEWIS and alonso are at mclaren. No mention of debut year. Lewis is spelled right.

The 2007 is easier to drive to me that the f10. I could not get it to spin it spots i could spin in the f10.

 

[sesselpupser]

The biggest problem I have with the F2007 is that it seems to handle more like an F1 car with traction control on. Maybe I didn't have it set up properly, but it kept spinning on the long right hander between the hairpin and Spoon Corner at Suzuka. Maybe it was the bargeboard scraping the floor due to too much downforce (though I don't think there is a such thing when you're talking about an F1 car) and the springs being too soft, but whatever it is, I've never seen an F1 car take such a gentle corner at anything but full throttle. Traction control set to 5 allowed me to take it flat out. Also my driving really isn't up to F1 car standards anyway, so TCS is fine.

But even so, F1 cars aren't supposed to spin while flat out on a corner like that, I'm sure if I looked I could find supporting evidence on a certain popular social video site.

 

[will-i-am]

Ill try suzuka with it. Since i got it, ive only done tokyo twice and indy three time. I have left it stock so far. Does it spin at all going flat out at the right hander after the long straight? In the f10 you have to barley turn, if not itll start to slide with to much input.

 

[sesselpupser]

Well, I think I increased the downforce to the highest settings and put racing softs on it, so it wasn't stock. I don't recall having many other problems with it, though, I expect the camber of the section I mentioned had something to do with it. Strange that too much downforce would make it spin, but it's possible it made it bottom out, similar to what happened to Sergio Perez at Monaco this year I think but less severe.

Short answer: I can't remember.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

The most annoying thing is, they got the shifting speed right in GT5P.



And I believe they changed the seating position (in cockpit view) as well. It's higher and more 'forward' in GT5. Personally the GT5 view is easier for me to use, but I think the one in Prologue is more realistic (below).

 

[Vagabond]

Just about everything to do with the F1 cars is wrong...

The total mass is wrong.
The power is too low.
The torque curve is wrong.
The suspension is wrong.
The tyre physics is wrong - specifically, the tyre grip vs downforce balance is wrong. The longitudinal to latitudinal grip ratio is wrong. The slip angle and slip curve shape is wrong.
The gear ratios are wrong.
Downforce vs drag balance is wrong.

Just as well the physics for everything else is good. F1s are a huge disappointment.

 

[Cauchy]

Just about everything to do with the F1 cars is wrong...


The power is too low.
The torque curve is wrong.
The suspension is wrong.
The tyre physics is wrong - specifically, the tyre grip vs downforce balance is wrong. The longitudinal to latitudinal grip ratio is wrong. The slip angle and slip curve shape is wrong.
The gear ratios are wrong.
Downforce vs drag balance is wrong.

Just as well the physics for everything else is good. F1s are a huge disappointment.

There is no way you could possibly know if the traction circle of the tires is not right, which it is probably not, without detailed tire data from the teams, as it is a function of tire slip angle. Most race teams don't even bother testing the traction circle of the tires, that I know of. There is no data logger in gt5 that tracks the tires slip angle so I am not sure how you know what the slip angle curve even looks like. Either back this up with hard data or I'm calling bs.

It definitely says Lewis in the description for me.

 

[IceMan PJN]

Aerodynamic regulation wise when a 2007 f1 car gets out of slip stream it slows an awful lot more and it's much slower than a 2009 f1 car getting out of slip stream.

Slipstreaming in F1 is a bit of a tricky deal because of the huge aerodynamics of F1. In a straight slipstreaming is good, but in a corner your actually penalized for following somebody because the "dirty" air that follows the leading car reduces the effectiveness of the trailing car's aerodynamics, meaning it loses downforce and consequently cornering performance. So, I'm not sure whether you're talking about effects of slipsteaming specifically in a straight or in general.

The biggest problem I have with the F2007 is that it seems to handle more like an F1 car with traction control on. Traction control set to 5 allowed me to take it flat out. Also my driving really isn't up to F1 car standards anyway, so TCS is fine.

Traction control was banned in 1994 through 2000 but was back in for 2001 since the FIA feared they couldn't adequately regulate its ban. Traction control was allowed in F1 once again from 2001 through the 2007 season, before being banned once again from 2008 onward. So, the F2007 would have traction control in real life.

 

[Vagabond]

There is no way you could possibly know if the traction circle of the tires is not right, which it is probably not, without detailed tire data from the teams, as it is a function of tire slip angle. Most race teams don't even bother testing the traction circle of the tires, that I know of. There is no data logger in gt5 that tracks the tires slip angle so I am not sure how you know what the slip angle curve even looks like.

Teams may not, tyre companies do however.

Slip angle and slip curve are two different things and are mutually exclusive. The slip angle is the angle from straight at which the tyre has the most lateral grip. For a racing slick its about 2.5-3.5 degrees, a road tyre about 15-20 degrees. The steering force will be at its maximum at the slip angle, the result being a racing tyre will make the steering feel sharp and precise and a road tyre softer and less precise. Force (and obviously grip) bleeds away as the tyre goes beyond its peak slip angle. The rate at which the grip drops away defines a curve called the slip curve, which has different shapes depending on the compound and tyre construction. You can tell what the rough shape of the slip curve is by observing car behaviour as it loses grip... and the GT data logger does record lateral G-force.

 

[Cauchy]

Teams may not, tyre companies do however.

Slip angle and slip curve are two different things and are mutually exclusive. The slip angle is the angle from straight at which the tyre has the most lateral grip. For a racing slick its about 2.5-3.5 degrees, a road tyre about 15-20 degrees. The steering force will be at its maximum at the slip angle, the result being a racing tyre will make the steering feel sharp and precise and a road tyre softer and less precise. Force (and obviously grip) bleeds away as the tyre goes beyond its peak slip angle. The rate at which the grip drops away defines a curve called the slip curve, which has different shapes depending on the compound and tyre construction. You can tell what the rough shape of the slip curve is by observing car behaviour as it loses grip... and the GT data logger does record lateral G-force.

You still have not produced any data supporting your claims.

Due to the nature of the tires and the deformation they under go which is the cause of the slip angle in the first place there is no way you can claim to know what the slip angle of the tire is simply by driving the car. Again simply knowing the lateral acceleration of the car without the slip angle data you cannot not get a true picture of the tire traction ellipse.

The only data for friction circle/ellipse I have found was in a paper by Sakai, which was in a road car with road tires. Taking comprehensive measurements of the tire data, of the lateral and longitudinal forces as a function of slip angle and slip ratio is not easy. It is both costly and time consuming to do, and few facilities are capable of doing so.

 

[Vagabond]

Why do I need exact data to know that the tyre behaviour is wrong? Obviously such data cannot be produced as evidence given GT5's data logging capabilities but that in itself does not disprove my assertion... neither does your assumption that I cannot possibly know such things. The fact that such data is not widely available does not mean it is not available to me. Tyre companies do in fact spend alot of time, money and resources logging such data.

And you are wrong - driving a car on the limit will give you a pretty good idea what the slip angle of the tyres is.