Anyone else feel ripped off?

[Swagger897]

Ok, this is the last post I'm going to pick apart from you. I've got much better things to do than argue with a teenager who apparently has no idea how things work in the real world.

I'm an auto technician in real life, so believe me when I tell you there are issues that don't appear on a short test drive. If every problem happened on a test drive no manufacturer would ever sell enough cars to stay in business. Also, new cars aren't always based on their previous counterparts so you can throw that one out the window as well. (no pun intended)

Um duh.... That's how everything works with normal wear and tear. Nothing is perfect, no matter how much money, how much testing, or knowledge you have, something will go wrong eventually

 

[gibo155]

Unless we give pd a kick up there rear end and complain they will continue to make half arsed games

Hopefully all this bad feedback will get there attention and make pd realise that we there customers are not all that impressed with there attempt at gt6. If there clever they will take note of what we want and what we think will improve the gt series, as after all its us the gamers that pay there wages at then end of the day by buying there product. And if it doesnt improve less and less fans will return to the gt franchise and it will just dwindle and die

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Am i the only one actually pleased with gt6?

Yeah the course maker, endurance races, and the KY tuning thing i still cannot find are missing. But i mean they may add those into the game.

I like GT6 and am so far pretty pleased with it.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Reading this makes me so happy that I don't take games very seriously. Games are designed to be fun, and if you're going to sit there and complain... Well, is that really what you call fun?

And usually if someone says what I just said, more complaining will arise from someone saying (in dramatic over reactive tone), "But HOW can we have fun when the game is SO FLAAAWED" as if the whole world is doomed (when really it's because the Nissan 3F9SG9K39KK5 (referring to chassis name) has been modelled two millimeters out from the real thing).

I've only had two issues that I can actually say disappoint me, but I'm not complaining about it like it's the end of the world. I mean, not being able to roll my Daihatsu Midget, or my user BGM sometimes not working in races is irritating, but I do what seems to be a long forgotten method of simply getting over it.

*waits a minute or two*

"But HOW can we get over it when the game is SO FLAAAWED!!!?"

I'm not feeling ripped off about GT6, I'm happy with my purchase. Graphics are a step up from what I was playing before (PC racing sims), physics feel really cool. And some of the features we have are awesome, and the ones we will get in 2014 even better.

You blow things way out of proportion. A lot of complaints I've seen about this game aren't small issues like a car model being slightly off. And don't assume just because someone is complaining, they aren't enjoying the game. It's not black and white. There are a bunch of issues I have with GT6 that should be fixed already (poor AI, paint chips, terrible clutch model, etc.) but I still have fun playing it.

 

[Skython]

You blow things way out of proportion. A lot of complaints I've seen about this game aren't small issues like a car model being slightly off. And don't assume just because someone is complaining, they aren't enjoying the game. It's not black and white. There are a bunch of issues I have with GT6 that should be fixed already (poor AI, paint chips, terrible clutch model, etc.) but I still have fun playing it.

Yeah, those were my intentions, I wasn't being serious with those examples, they were meant to be ridiculous. I stand corrected on your other points about enjoyment vs complaints.

 

[Kobooi]

Tornado and jimipitbull [..] both of you have a bad reputation of trolling. If you guys want to continue to go at each other, take it to private messages.

Tornado is part of the minority that can string two sentences together (and I don't count myself in that group because English isn't my native language) and get his point across in a clear and logical way, whether you agree with that point or not. Trolling is the last thing he would do in my opinion. So don't shut him up.

 

[Tornado]

Tornado and jimipitbull, you both should move along if you're only going to flame people and steer this thread so far off topic the thread gets locked. Neither one of you have anything productive or good to say and both of you have a bad reputation of trolling. If you guys want to continue to go at each other, take it to private messages.

I'm also warning you both right now, any more posts that aren't productive to the thread topic will get reported.

I like how you think you're a moderator. It's the funniest thing I've seen all day.


Doubly so since you're trying to start something when I've been agreeing with most of what you've said in this thread and even parroting some of it; plus threatening me after you just finished browbeating someone into submission for not subscribing to your particular sect of horrible analogies. But go ahead and report me for commenting on someone's posting habits after someone else broached the subject. See how unscathed you come out.






Anyway, now that the measuring contest is hopefully over...

You missed the entire point didn't you?

This was the original post that you took so much issue with:

That way, the AI will drive even slower, making the races even closer.

Now look at what you've said since:

The Ai will make you think you can win with a slower car but you will fall short of the win and then when you go faster so do they up to the point that they hit the best times they are going to get.

They did not "Let me win" they did make the race appear closer than it would have otherwise. As I said a few times already they went faster as I got a faster car and I was not able to win until I turned a time better than they turned on their best race

Throwing up a few posts showing how much the AI slow down to make the races close when you use a slow car (and I never said they always do so enough to let you win) doesn't really do much to rebut me saying that when you use a slower car they will compensate by slowing down more.

 

[Azure Flare]

I feel like my $60 was well spent, even if it is mostly an update of GT5. Still, lots more is planned for future updates, and whatever may come along that might be added as DLC.

So...

 

[iSpotCars]

Why should I feel ripped off? Everything is better about this game compared to GT5, and it will last me for years. The physics, and constant addition of content are a another bonus. So really, the answer is

NO!

 

[Tenacious D]

No T D let's not start all over again. Not this time. People can judge AI by their own. Post the video if you found something interesting. If you do so you at least you are trying to backup your statement with FACTS instead of the usual futile wall of text.

I agree that this is futile, because if someone is determined to not like something, nothing can touch it. Kind of like trying to convince someone that spinach won't kill them.

However, after doing some more racing in Arcade yesterday, before I succumbed to some awful sicky thing, I found the same slow bots in some races, though it depends on the mood of the bots, and seems to have something to do with the choice of car, and how modded it is.

So, never mind, hate the bots and the game all you want. Forgive us for not feeling as ripped off as you do.

No, I don't.

I don't have the game at all

Well, well. So basically, you're just here to argue and stir up trouble? How unlike you.

 

[Imari]

Well, well. So basically, you're just here to argue and stir up trouble? How unlike you.

🤬 you. I see you're another one of the "if you haven't paid $60, you're not entitled to an opinion" brigade.

I haven't put my two cents in on physics or anything else that requires hands-on, because I'm not qualified. However, I don't see any reason AI can't be judged from videos. If anything, it's better judged from videos because you can watch the AI closely instead of trying to drive at the same time.

So either you can sit in the back taking cheap shots at me for daring to say what I think of the current state of the game, or you can provide some examples of the game being good.

As I wrote in another thread when somebody asked me a similar question without being an asshole about it:

I'm getting tempted, but I'd far rather wait too long to buy it than not long enough. After the GT5 fiasco, I want to be blown away when I put GT6 in for the first time and have it revitalise my faith in the series. The state GT6 is in now, I suspect I'd intellectually tear it to pieces before I ever got around to enjoying what's good about it. Deep down I want to love Gran Turismo, so I'm avoiding any chance that it will disappoint me.

 

[tpark103]

Not yet I'm still having a great time. Still feel challenged when I want to be and if I don't want a challenge, I just go crazy and use a high PP car.

It's too easy to have fun on GT. You're in control of it. As a user you have so many options.

 

[Ritterkreuz]

I got the game for Christmas, so technically it was free for me. That said in my opinion the Series hit a high with GT 4 and has been on a downward slide ever since. it's main focus seems to be collecting cars now. Until I start reading better reviews this will most likely be my last GT game, and I've been playing the series for 15 years now.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

That's the thing. Pretty much none! But if you bought a dodgy car and didn't test it first, something tells me you haven't thought your purchase through very well. Good thing GT6 is just a game and didn't cost a lot of money.

Now I know you can't test a game before buying. But if you had looked into GT5 and noticed it was flawed (which admittedly, it was), you would have waited for GT6 reviews and all that before buying. It's like pre-ordering a car (before it's released) from a manufacturer who's last generation of that car would burst into violent flame whenever you turned the ignition. Sounds like a bad idea to me.

Of course one should always test drive a car but that doesn't mean you will learn much about the car. I have bought 3 over the years which had issues the same day I bought them, all three were fine during test drive. One of them had a bad alternator which I found out that night when I went to the drive in movie and the car barely started when the movie was over, I did make it home though. Another had a faulty fuel pump which failed on the drive home fromt eh dealership and had to be towed and another had an electrical system issue that shorted out about 3 hours after I bought the car and caused to to stall while driving down the road, fortunately I have a lot of electrical knowledge and had some wire in the car so I was able to patch it up and drive it home. That was the first on many such issues with that car but in test drive they all seemed just fine.

I bought GT5, played it, was disappointed with it but bought Gt6 anyway, knowing full well that some features would not be there, some may never be there but also that i would at the very least enjoy playing it through the holidays and it has exceeded my expectations.

 

[Tenacious D]

As a somewhat related aside, seeing this:

On every single post that is even vaguely pro-GT (no matter how detached from reality or hypocritical the post in question happens to be) gets more and more amusing the more it pops up.

So? Now you have a problem with me supporting posters I agree with?? You really will grinch anything positive about Gran Turismo. I suppose the usual grumpers liking the negative posts is cool though.

Let me really aggravate you. My experience is very much in harmony with HBR-Roadhogs, and contrary to eSZee's cute little gif, if you do as he suggests, you really can find some enjoyable challenges in the game. The typical bot checking aside. I know it causes some of you guys no end of ulcers to suggest that he's right, that the wide range of cars with a whole gamut of PP ratings and all the mod options is its own difficulty leveling. But it's true. You guys act like if that little difficulty setting was there, the bots would suddenly become humanlike or something.

But to me, they're already much more humanlike. I'll growl in outrage when some bot tags me in a turn and often spins me out, but then I watch the replay and think, "Ya know, I've seen this very thing in real life races..." I've caught a glimpse in a replay of bots duking it out and gone back to watch the contest because it's surprisingly like what I'd expect from real live humins.

Now, I know that it's not cool around here with a certain crowd to like this game, and you're only cool when you slag on it. Well, I think that kind of cool is lame, and I see no point and no joy in being negative over something all the time. The only thing I think you've ever been positive about is wanting a Livery Editor, lifelike damage and sounds, and bots that act like people. Good luck on that last one, because I haven't found a game yet that was anything to cheer about.

Look at our two avvies. Now, I like your avvies, but yours seem to invariably involve someone wanting to get into a scrap. Mine revolves around racing. It seems like your only reason for being here is to be the board nanny, ruler-slapping wrists and schooling people. Maybe it's just me, but the reason I join boards is to celebrate the subject of the board. But, hey, free universe and all that.

🤬 you. I see you're another one of the "if you haven't paid $60, you're not entitled to an opinion" brigade.

Something went completely over your head. Look at the thread subject. It isn't the "Do the bots suck to you too?" thread. You obviously voted with your wallet. How in the world can you feel ripped off when you spent NO MONEY on this game??

There are plenty of grouch threads, but it seems like all you do is buzz into every one of them, whether they apply to you or not. Why so negative, every chance you get? This planet baffles me...

To create the proper "grid" PD needs to create the proper categories and put the proper cars in each category. FIA GT1, 2 and 3. American Lemans, LMP, Touring Cars, Super/Hyper Cars and sports cars.

Now this is something I can sink my teeth into. GNARG!

I think this has been unnecessarily lacking in Gran Turismo, especially GT5 with its wealth of cars. I haven't checked, but surely there are 16 cars in Super GT 500 class to have a full field without duplicates. And if there aren't, there are the base models which can have random colors applied to them. I'm aware of the shortage of NASCAR cars, and I guess NASCAR has some sort of stipulation against fantasy liveries or base model cars, or we'd be seeing them, but they need to lobby the ruling body if this is the case. But PD needs to better work on their race builds, because some of the cars which appear in some of these races is just silly.

And tracks too. They're doing a better job in GT6, but in GT5, I recall an American racing "series" of all of three races, and out of the tracks selected, the only American course they used was Indianapolis. And I believe they had four American race courses available. They need to make their racing series more apropos to the real world namesakes, and figure out how many tracks are suited to them. Some of the fantasy tracks would work in almost anything.

 

[HKS racer]

I agree that this is futile, because if someone is determined to not like something, nothing can touch it. Kind of like trying to convince someone that spinach won't kill them.

I can prove you wrong with this thread. A.I.'s Moments of Brilliance - Post them here! I'd like to see more vido there, I appreciate GT6 when user can have a good battle with. The thing is there are only 3 video, so before buying the game I want to rughly know the percentage of competitive races compared to the boring ones. You know I still boot GT5 once in awhile because Arcade Mode + Secret Menu is fun.

However, after doing some more racing in Arcade yesterday, before I succumbed to some awful sicky thing, I found the same slow bots in some races, though it depends on the mood of the bots, and seems to have something to do with the choice of car, and how modded it is.

Ok that's something, at least you are trying to describe what the game do instead of name calling other users.

So, never mind, hate the bots and the game all you want. Forgive us for not feeling as ripped off as you do.

Feel free.

 

[TwentyValve]

i didn't read any of this thread so bare with me.
after playing Forza 5 i feel absolutely great about my purchase of GT6.
Forza took all the great things about it and dumbed it down.
GT improved on many of the right areas.

 

[eSZee]

i didn't read any of this thread so bare with me.
after playing Forza 5 i feel absolutely great about my purchase of GT6.
Forza took all the great things about it and dumbed it down.
GT improved on many of the right areas.

I'll agree with that.
As for "dumbing" things down, GT did the same thing, didn't it? he game has been made to be accessible to by newcomers to the series.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I'll agree with that.
As for "dumbing" things down, GT did the same thing, didn't it? he game has been made to be accessible to by newcomers to the series.

I would say yes in some ways and no in others. For example the PP limit that was put on the races limits people from running a hugely over powered car in them. The tire restriction prevents them from running RS tires in every race. The AI is a bit more aggressive but will slow down when you crash. Overall I would say most new comers would find GT6 more challenging than GT5

 

[TwentyValve]

I would say yes in some ways and no in others. For example the PP limit that was put on the races limits people from running a hugely over powered car in them. The tire restriction prevents them from running RS tires in every race. The AI is a bit more aggressive but will slow down when you crash. Overall I would say most new comers would find GT6 more challenging than GT5

id agree with all of that as well. with forza it automatically upgrades a car when you buy it for a specific race. that takes the main thing that GT doesn't have away form the game. you can upgrade it manually but its just a real pain to navigate and figure out what the regulations are for a specific race. and you need to build the car to be competitive.
GT still has a clear system for the races, much easier to build a car for.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

@Tenacious D: So we need to use trial and error to get a decent race from the AI? If so, that's not a sign of good AI to me. I want to spend my time racing, not experimenting until I get a race that's not too easy or too hard. But I'm sure it's all right when it works.

 

[Imari]

Something went completely over your head. Look at the thread subject. It isn't the "Do the bots suck to you too?" thread. You obviously voted with your wallet. How in the world can you feel ripped off when you spent NO MONEY on this game??

Point me to where I said I felt ripped off. I'll give you a hint, I never did.

There was a side topic going on in the thread. I put my two cents in and asked some questions because I was interested to know more about the things people were talking about. I had a good discussion with some of the members in here and learned some new stuff about the AI. I would have been interested to see a video of some good AI from you simply because it's hard to find examples of the AI at their best, but you're too busy taking cheap shots at people to bother with actual discussion.

There are plenty of grouch threads, but it seems like all you do is buzz into every one of them, whether they apply to you or not. Why so negative, every chance you get? This planet baffles me...

And you buzz into every one of them posting flamebait. What's your point?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

@Tenacious D: So we need to use trial and error to get a decent race from the AI? If so, that's not a sign of good AI to me. I want to spend my time racing, not experimenting until I get a race that's not too easy or too hard. But I'm sure it's all right when it works.

Not really, I have managed to do so on the first try more often than not.

Take for example the 550pp Touring Car championship. It recommends ~550PP but will allow you to run a 600PP car. I used a 500PP car and had quite a fight on my hands. In the 600PP TC race I used a 550PP and another good race. This changes on different events but for the most part in the lower level events if you look at the max PP allowed and use a car that is ~100 PP less then you will get some decent races

Edit: another note when using the lower PP car do not use the power limiter to get the PP down to that level as that will give you a stronger car than the PP indicates

 

[Tenacious D]

@Tenacious D: So we need to use trial and error to get a decent race from the AI? If so, that's not a sign of good AI to me. I want to spend my time racing, not experimenting until I get a race that's not too easy or too hard. But I'm sure it's all right when it works.

I think some of you are getting a little carried away with this side of the argument. It's not so technical that you spend all day tinkering. What I do is pick a car that's about 20% below the recommended PP of the race and give it a shot. Sometimes I get blown away, sometimes I smoke the field, but often it fits just right, and if not, I tone something down or pick another car.

I know this is odious to many here, but until PD gives us something of a difficulty dealy, or better online, this is all we have.

And you buzz into every one of them posting flamebait. What's your point?

I think if you poke through my posting history, you'll find a little more variety than that.

 

[toolo4sno]

GT6 as it sits now is barely above Prologue status. While this isn't a new complaint; racing the AI is pointless. They are not even at backmarker pace. Racing humans online is and was my only desire for this game, and luckily some improvements where made there.

Taking advantage of the recent sale and some traded in games; I bought GT6 for around $35. I feel that it was just barely worth it. That and I'm running off of the assumption that we'll be getting some Senna F1 cars (for more $$). If that doesn't materialize I can categorically say that purchasing GT6 was a mistake. Time will tell with further updates. GT5 was updated frequently; so maybe everything will be ok over time.

That said, I need to seriously look into one of the PC alternatives, but the payment method leaves a ton to be desired.

In the interest of full disclosure. Towards the end of my GT5 usage I was using the Ferrari F10 exclusively; so losing that car hurts.

https://www.youtube.com/user/2lo4sno

 

[gtpcaine]

For me the game is totally worth it. I don't play GT for the single player mode, I play it for the online feature only.

Its the whole reason I discovered GTPlanet, and thanks to the great community it will keep me playing GT for years to come... Plus my wife brought it for me as an early xmas present so it didn't cost me a penny!

 

[XS]

Not at all. On the whole, I'm having more fun so far with GT6 than I ever did with GT5.

 

[MeanElf]

Perhaps not a big surprise to a few around here, but I do not feel ripped off in any way. I enjoyed GT5 and GT6 has been an improvement over its predecessor in so many ways.

There again, as it's on the PS3 I didn't expect to be blown away due to the apparent limitations with coding for the system. I was however seriously impressed with what PD did manage to do, even considering that limitation. So, no - I do not feel ripped off.

Unless we give pd a kick up there rear end and complain they will continue to make half arsed games

Hopefully all this bad feedback will get there attention and make pd realise that we there customers are not all that impressed with there attempt at gt6. If there clever they will take note of what we want and what we think will improve the gt series, as after all its us the gamers that pay there wages at then end of the day by buying there product. And if it doesnt improve less and less fans will return to the gt franchise and it will just dwindle and die

I'm not so sure there has been that much bad feedback - also, I doubt that many fans will actually know what is feasible when building a game. I know from what I've read on this site that quite a few do not have the first idea about what is involved; simply wanting a feature or special something in a game is one part of the process - realising that through to completion is a lot more difficult - now multiply that by the never-ending wishlist that seems to follow most games around nowadays, and you begin to get the picture. You will also never be able to satisfy the diversity of wishes out there.

Seriously though, PD appear to have done quite well to date, so I can't agree that PD's games have been 'half-arsed.'

Sorry to fixate further, but please learn how to spell their - your post started to hurt my head about half way through.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I would say yes in some ways and no in others. For example the PP limit that was put on the races limits people from running a hugely over powered car in them.

Since they're usually significantly higher than the PP levels of the cars in the race; no, not really.

The tire restriction prevents them from running RS tires in every race.

This I'll agree with, mostly - some of the earlier races seem to allow higher grade tires than the AI is running, but there's no easy way to tell.

The AI is a bit more aggressive but will slow down when you crash.

Or when you first pass them. Or when you're in any position other than first. Or it's the last lap.

Overall I would say most new comers would find GT6 more challenging than GT5

Given the massively dumbed-down gold times for licenses as a general guideline, and that awful pop-up-ridden intro race, I doubt it. That there are now more limitations for races makes it easier too; newcomers don't have to trial-and-error forever to find out what's needed for a race series. Sure, they can't take a Veyron to a race typically populated with French hatchbacks again like in GT5, but otherwise, it's all pretty straight-forward, and still disappointingly linear compared to something like GT2 or GT4.

I think some of you are getting a little carried away with this side of the argument. It's not so technical that you spend all day tinkering. What I do is pick a car that's about 20% below the recommended PP of the race and give it a shot. Sometimes I get blown away, sometimes I smoke the field, but often it fits just right, and if not, I tone something down or pick another car.

And that's still an incredibly un-user-friendly way of approaching "difficulty". I tend to go into a race 100 PP down if I don't want it to be a complete cakewalk, but that's me; I've been playing GT's for fifteen years and made a habit of golding licenses ASAP, and tend to run somewhere in the top two to five percent of online players when it comes to leaderboard times in racing games. For someone else, they'll have to find a different level to remain competitive, as will every other person. A difficulty setting and AI that actually changed to reflect that would solve the issue.

I know this is odious to many here, but until PD gives us something of a difficulty dealy, or better online, this is all we have.

And it's pretty poor. Which is why people want an improvement.

I think if you poke through my posting history, you'll find a little more variety than that.

Debatable. Though I'll have to remember your opinion on those who don't own games they criticize...

 

[Skython]

Of course one should always test drive a car but that doesn't mean you will learn much about the car. I have bought 3 over the years which had issues the same day I bought them, all three were fine during test drive. One of them had a bad alternator which I found out that night when I went to the drive in movie and the car barely started when the movie was over, I did make it home though. Another had a faulty fuel pump which failed on the drive home fromt eh dealership and had to be towed and another had an electrical system issue that shorted out about 3 hours after I bought the car and caused to to stall while driving down the road, fortunately I have a lot of electrical knowledge and had some wire in the car so I was able to patch it up and drive it home. That was the first on many such issues with that car but in test drive they all seemed just fine.

I bought GT5, played it, was disappointed with it but bought Gt6 anyway, knowing full well that some features would not be there, some may never be there but also that i would at the very least enjoy playing it through the holidays and it has exceeded my expectations.

And as I responded to LVRacerGT yesterday, I agree about the short test drive thing. You and LVRacerGT are completely right on that front, and there's no denying that.