Anyone else wish there were a PC version of GT4?

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ps2 emulation will die when ps3 comes out, just like psx emulation died when ps2 came out. if anyone even bothers developing a ps2 emulator, it will be MANY YEARS before it's decently playable on home PCs, not because of speed, just accuracy. even psx emulation leaves a fair bit to be desired, though most games are at least enjoyable. at the moment, pscx2 is the "best" ps2 emu, and it runs part of the 3d engines of 4 similar games, and the 2d menus of another one. don't hold your breath

i want to replace a crashing exchange server with something more free (as in beer) and reliable (as in not microsoft). i'm aware of the mail clients and office suites available. i happen to love OpenOffice.org :) firefox, thunderbird and OOo or staroffice make a GREAT robust and reliable multi-platform app suite
 
sideslider
hey kermit i have a controller called a saitek its close to the ds2 it has dual anolog, big r1 an L1 but the r2, L2 has been moved to the top almost like a super nintendo controller shaped like a ds2,..... alll the buttons are programable and its more versitle than a ds2.....they even make a model that rumbles....its good almost the same feel as a ds2 ...but just not the same thing

take a look
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I have a cheapo saitek that I used on NFSU and GTA3. Works good. I don't really play PC games anymore or I'd probably get that or something like it.
 
i bought a cheap usb to ps2 converter from realgamer.com.au, it was like 14 bucks, you can get them for about the same price in ebgames or on ebay. i use ps2 controller for just about all my games, though most of those are emulated nes and snes and similar, so it goes quite well
 
H.M.B
Can you tell I'm not PC user yet? :sly:
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And probably more relaxed for it too :D. Getting many games to run on a PC is all too often a battle involving the downloading of multi-Mb patches or upgrading drivers et al.

With the AMIGA, as with the PS2, it was a case of "Stick the Disk in ... right what's this game like then?". My favourite from the 'olden times' was Gunship 2000 - it was great and knocked the spots off the PC version :raises eyebrows:.

Anyhoo ... O/T so I'll shut up :embarrassed:.
 
apart from online play.. i'd prefer the game on ps2.

racers for console, shoot em ups for pc.

gran turismo isnt about the graphics anyway.. its about the cars..
 
Amigas were more 'user friendly' due to the fact theres no where near as many hardware configurations compared to PCs. Hence driver updates, game patches etc... But most PC developers seem pretty lazy anyway & use it as an excuse, hence its nice when you buy a game that just works with few noticable bugs. I admit the reliability of consoles is probably what I like most about them! Infact I bought my PSX when I was sick of my AMD K6-2 300 machine messing up ;)

Although I am aware Amiga <cough> 'enthusiasts' these days bung in various other things in them so they can play a ported version of Quake :lol:
 
I wouldn't want to play any version of the GT series on a PC no matter how good the graphics are. Using a 27in. TV is a lot better than using a 17in. monitor, in my opinion.
 
The bottom line is that Geeky1 is childish and just wanted to brag about his computer -- make that computers, since he had to go into detail about how many badass machines he has. Seems pretty silly to me, as a P4 certainly isn't the best gaming system out there. He made this whole thread to brag about a system that isn't even SLI. :lol:

SiGNAL
i say we stop comparing hl2 to gt4 :crazy:
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Seriously.

If he's running at 2048x1536 with 4X FSAA on a single non-Ultra GF 6800, HL2 certainly isn't requiring much effort from the GPU (or maybe he's getting 1 FPS). That resolution is far from practical, anyway. I have a 22" Diamondtron and I run my desktop in 1600x1200 and things are pretty small (actually I have 3 monitors; maybe I should make a thread to brag about that). Even on a 22" CRT, it would be ridiculous to run a game over 1600x1200. Maybe on a bigger screen than 22", but there are very few screens larger than 22" which can even run 2048x1536 (and if this guy had one he would certainly be bragging about it). The point is he's running 2048x1536 and he thinks he needs 4X FSAA to get rid of jaggies. Either he's sitting 2 inches away from the glass when he plays, he's outright lying, or he's just plain stupid.
 
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I wouldn't want to play any version of the GT series on a PC no matter how good the graphics are. Using a 27in. TV is a lot better than using a 17in. monitor, in my opinion.
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That's my feeling. I love FPS, RTS, RPG games on the PC, but I've always much preferred the console with the 27" TV and a different kind of chair for racing type games. The only reason I got a PS2 was for GT3 and I'm certainly not disappointed. The only games I even have for it are GT3, GTA3 and GT4.
 
...i highly doubt anyone here has a fast enough computer to accomplish what a PS2 (or xbox at that) can do.

you may think ' oh.. well the PS2 has ONLY 350Mhz cpu speed.. my computer has 3GHz..'
thats not the case, a computer does tons more things in the background, and has many other things going on at the same time compared to the PS2.. unless you had a pure 'dedicated' computer for a game like GT4.. it would basically turn out the same as a PS2.. without any GPU, no interface.. nothing.. it would just run the game and nothing else

and plugging your PS2 up to a computer.. thats totally different

and i agree, i would rather play on a big tv screen, than a small computer screen.. even if its a good 32 inch widescreen computer screen.. i would prefer a big TV.. HDTV.. or a DLP panasonic (like we just got :P man its great.. to bad my dad wont let me play on it .. once)

anyways, if anyone has a DLP out there, dont worry about image burning, DLP's dont burn like anything at all, they barely burn; yes you may have to run it widescreen for a while and let the lights dim down a bit to not begin burning, but DLP's ... practically dont burn, from what i've read, very few people have had tiny incidents when a DLP that is brand new has burned an image.. barely.. something thats not even noticable (but then again.. that happened to the guys that left that DVD screen up with that blue background and bright white logo on the screen causing it to burn that bright white logo on background [which by the way is only noticable when the screen is pure bright white])

so if anyone out here has a DLP TV, give it a go; cause they're plenty bright, and plenty colorful :D
 
I cant stans PC driving games. I have a very high end gaming PC but bought the x box nd ps2 purely for driving games.

Cant stans GTA Vice City on PC either but loved it on the console. Something about consoles brings out the best in driving games to me. All other games are for the PC period, but I cannot stand any racing game ever made for the PC.
 
Yes, but only because i have a laptop. If we were talking normal desktop i wouldn't be bothered. I like the idea of sittin outside or in the car, playing gt4. I used to think this about gt2 (can't remember why), but only recently i have wanted gt4 on laptop or gta san andreas on laptop. Although my fun would be short lived, as i find when using games, laptops tend to have a fairly short battery life (especially mine)
 
jalopy
I cant stans PC driving games. I have a very high end gaming PC but bought the x box nd ps2 purely for driving games.

Cant stans GTA Vice City on PC either but loved it on the console. Something about consoles brings out the best in driving games to me. All other games are for the PC period, but I cannot stand any racing game ever made for the PC.
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Possibly dualshock 2?

I tried playing vice city with a wheel a while ago, and you realise that when the sensitivity of pedals isn't there, how much you actually use it.
 
Liquid Li0n
I'm for 100% behind the GT4 2 PC thing but it will never be released.

About the Consoles, they will always be behind PC. A Playstation, Xbox or GameCube are always for a couple of years on the market without changing the graphics engine etc. instead of PC that changes and becomes better month by month.

Every 2,5 till 3 years I buy a new pc and in between I sometimes buy new parts. And actually every year you could buy a new PC if you really want to keep it high-end.

When GT4 would be on PC it is easier to get it online, updates, additional cars, tracks, wheels, spoilers, ... . But then it would never be renewed and GT5 isn't necessary anymore.

The same story with Midtown Madness 2 --> You get a lot of extra's to download for the game. Thats why they release MM3 only on Xbox.
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Also pcs generally cost alot more than consoles, i mean, ps2s are about 130 pounds sterling now, what pc can you buy for that? :lol:
 
GTA isn't a game that can be played with steering wheel because there is a lot more in that game then only driving. A game pad (let's say Dualshock II) is perfect for it.
But about GTA:VC or GTA:SA they are on PC but GT4 still be only for PS2.

About that laptop battery, indeed. Mine is 2hours or less and when I watch a movie on it, it's even worse. Only Centrino I want but then you can't play decent games and it's slower.

AAh it's always something...
 
XCNuse
...i highly doubt anyone here has a fast enough computer to accomplish what a PS2 (or xbox at that) can do.

you may think ' oh.. well the PS2 has ONLY 350Mhz cpu speed.. my computer has 3GHz..'
thats not the case, a computer does tons more things in the background, and has many other things going on at the same time compared to the PS2.. unless you had a pure 'dedicated' computer for a game like GT4.. it would basically turn out the same as a PS2.. without any GPU, no interface.. nothing.. it would just run the game and nothing else
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This is just wrong. Windows isn't the most efficient thing in the world, but it certainly doesn't drain 80% of your resources. I see you also included the Xbox in your assumption which makes it very easy to disprove. Most people would agree that the Xbox is at least slightly superior to the PS2 on the hardware side of things, and it is a Microsoft machine running a Coppermine-based Celeron 733 (Socket 370, 133 MHz FSB, 128K cache, 180nm SL5S core).

Now, let's look at some benchmarks on Tom's Hardware, strictly comparing CPUs. The tests used a GeForce 6800 GT (16-pipe 350 MHz as opposed to the 4-pipe 233 MHz GF3 in the Xbox) so things are CPU-limited. The Xbox has a DX8 GPU so let's look at DX8 benchmarks for Unreal Tournament 2004 (1280x1024x32bpp)

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-15.html

Pentium III 800 (faster and more cache than the Xbox CPU) = 36.3 FPS
Pentium 4 2.8 GHz (Northwood) = 87.6 FPS
Athlon XP 2500+ (1.8 GHz Barton) = 95.9 FPS
Athlon 64 2800+ (1.8 GHz Newcastle) = 125.2 FPS
Pentium 4 660 (3.6 GHz Prescott) = 139.4 FPS
Pentium 4 EE 3.46 GHz (Gallatin) = 146.6 FPS
Athlon 64 3800+ (2.4 GHz Newcastle) = 156.1 FPS
Athlon 64 FX-55 (2.6 GHz Clawhammer) = 171.7 FPS

The Athlon XP 2500+ was a fairly cheap and common CPU about two years ago, and it spanks the Xbox by 3X in basic game performance (without considering overclocking, which was really the reason it was popular).

Such a narrow comarison certainly isn't without its flaws, but common sense dictates that most of the performance gain you get from a console is simply because the main part of the game is essentially fixed at 640x480 at 30 FPS (or 640x240 at 60 FPS depending on how you look at it), while even the crappiest PCs are able to run games at over 800x600 these days. I'm very impressed that GT4 can work in 1080i, but that's still nothing compared to a cheap system like a Sempron with an old GeForce Ti 4200 which can run older games of comparable complexity at 1600x1200 hitting over 30 FPS.

GT4 is very pretty. I'm honestly shocked that they managed to improve the graphics as much as they did on the PS2, but new PC games have visual effects a PS2 could never do.
 
I think it's about time PD dumped the console scene and moved onto the only gaming platform that can really do their next games any real justice. The PC has everything going for it.
 
Wasnt the Controls so much as it was/is the Graphics. The PC shows off how poor they really are. I guess if a game was completely optimized for the PC it would be different. Most every driving game I have put on my PC was a console rehash of somesort and the graphics do not look good at all. They show all the "lack" of detail when you power them up with a modern high end video card.
 
I think we're all missing the biggest reason for PC :) and thats called modding, look at Vice city, you can get modded cars / levels / etc / etc / etc

The ammount of added customability would be rediculous. But In Vice City you could make a REALLY high polygonal car and imported over into the game thus making the model look 100x better, It really depends on your PC Performance though.


Of course A PC version Will almost definatly never happen, But eventually we'll get a racer alot like the GT series, But I dont know when :(

Modding to me is the single defining feature of A PC. you're only restricted to the hardware you have, which can be upgradable :)


http://gta.gamigo.de/download.php?do=cat&id=40

there is a link to show what kind of cars you can get into vice city rather then the really low poly nasty ones.

But let the imagination run wild about what it could do for GT4 :)
 
Smells like a good idea to me. The DFP might also have more potential with a PC version of the game.
 
yup have to agree, i seriously imagined and imagined, GT4 graphics are seriously impressive and thats after me playing HL2 on hi-res, so yeah i wish for a conversion, but then again, new game, new graphics card and it keeps going on, a PC seriously costs money to upgrade nicely over and over agin, so console has a great adventage.
 
The graphics in GT4 aren't bad for a console... they're certainly some of the best that I've seen coming from a PS2. However, they're still awful. Especially compared to what could be done with even a halfway decent card like a 9600XT or 9700 Pro (both of which can be picked up for about the price of a PS2)...
 
Geeky1
...guess I'm the only one...
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PC version would rock. We could finally play at a decent resolution, there would be 5.1 support, and it would open up a huge market. They would probably have to increase physics realism to make it on par with top PC sim offerings, but that shouldn't be too hard.
 
VipFREAK
Here are some alternatives to get close to being able to play on a PC... These were based on portability, flexibility and cost. I picked up the first one. :drool:👍👍

USB 2.0 TV TUNER / VIDEO MPEG CAPTURE BOX W/REMOTE $55 w/ S&H and the most flexible and cost efficent IMO.
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Video to USB 2.0/VGA Adapter $50 w/o S&H flexible in that you can plug in any thing video.
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5" Color LCD Game Screen $50 w/o S&H limited screen size and bulky as well as dealing with a power source.
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PS2 to VGA adapter By far the cheapest at $25-30 but the least flexible, just converts a VGA screen.
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There's also a controller w/ a 2.5 in. screen on it but cost and practicality made it impossible to include
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Check out the Viewsonic N6. It will let you play in 1080i and display it on your PC monitor. Should look just like playing it on an HDTV or projector.
 
I would like to see GT on the PC.

IMHO, PC consoles have always been better.
Although I've stated this before, I do think they are better.
 
Yes, let's have Polyphony develop GT4 on PC so instead of focusing on developing an actual game, they'd get to focus on hardware compatability so we can play it to begin with.

Yeah, it took them long enough to develop GT4, but if you guys are wanting a PC version GT5 is just going to take that much longer to come out, and I'd rather they do it on a console any day. Too many variables for the PC platform. And to whoever said that being on the PC would be great because of 5.1 support, guess what! GT4 already supports 5.1 and I've got my speaker set up to both my computer and the PS2. Thank god for the Logitech Z5500, huh?
 
actually consoles are much more effecient at gaming than computers, simply because there is no variables interms of equipment before output. there is always the same hardware, therefor things can be written more effeciently and use hardware better. No pc game is going to be able to written to run as effeciently and therefor look better and run fast and all these things we enjoy when compared to a dedicated gaming setup like a console. When you get down to it, the ps2 is a 5 year old machine that was created with hardware that was, at a stand alone computer level, very medium. For a console gaming system, it rocked; but compared to even the computers of the day, a 300mhz cpu is not that amazing. 5 years later, PD is pushing gran turismo 4, and you guys are comparing this to your capabilities with a top of the line self built gaming platform for what could easily be 12 times the cost or more of the old ps2.

Modding, while it is a neat as a community, has effectively given developers the room to leave plenty of bugs in to push a game out fast and let the community fix them. Sure, they can promise patches and whatnot, and the concept of usermade mods can be 'neat'. allowing for what we hope to be skilled users to flood the scene with awesomely made cars; but in reality, we get a load of beginners rampaging halfassed cars with a zillion works in progress without much to show for it. But i digress. Not that it matters, the biggest problem is that if they port to pc, they get /less/ time to spend on gt5 for ps3. Who wants that, for a lousy pc port(they are all lousy lately)?

when the ps3 hits, quality will be able to explode and the limits won't be nearly as reached right away. then this arguement will happen again when ps3 gets to the end of it's tenure. bewm. In conclusion, i'll just state that consoles are definitely much much better at gaming, and pcs are just much much more robust.
 

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