Are Some Versions of the TT Demo Easier Than Others?

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There's a growing discussion going on backchannel regarding the possibility of different versions of the GTA TT Demo being slightly different in terms of speed and handling than others.

I haven't really had the time to test this to the maximum as yet, but I have done a short test in the demo from Hong Kong to compare with my UK version.

I admit that I'm not doing well in this challenge, I seem to be stuck in a time region in the normal car that would require many more hours than I have avaiable in order to improve it. However, after testing the Hong Kong version for a very short period (10 laps) I managed to improve my time slightly with very little effort at all.

Instead of giving my opinion on how I view this possible bias in versions in this posting, I would like to open this up for discussion first and ask anyone who feels that they have reached their maximum in the normal car in thier respective region to try at least the Hong Kong and/or the JP version of the demo and post here to air their findings.

I would like to highlight that this is nothing new in the GT game, GT3 comes to mind, and there has always been differences in speed/handling for certain cars in certain versions of the game, GT4, Viper (North American version) in one of the Board Challenges, for example.

Discuss...
 
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Sphinx
There's a growing discussion going on backchannel regarding the possibility of different versions of the GTA TT Demo being slightly different in terms of speed and handling than others.

I haven't really had the time to test this to the maximum as yet, but I have done a short test in the demo from Hong Kong to compare with my UK version.

I admit that I'm not doing well in this challenge, I seem to be stuck in a time region in the normal car that would require many more hours than I have avaiable in order to improve it. However, after testing the Hong Kong version for a very short period (10 laps) I managed to improve my time slightly with very little effort at all.

Instead of giving my opinion on how I view this possible bias in versions in this posting, I would like to open this up for discussion first and ask anyone who feels that they have reached their maximum in the normal car in thier respective region to try at least the Hong Kong and/or the JP version of the demo and post here to air their findings.

I would like to highlight that this is nothing new in the GT game, GT3 comes to mind, and there has always been differences in speed/handling for certain cars in certain versions of the game, GT4, Viper (North American version) in one of the Board Challenges, for example.

Discuss...
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"I managed to improve my time slightly with very little effort at all."

I took a week off the GT5 TT and when I tried it again I took almost 2/10th of a second on only the fourth lap of driving. Prior to taking a the break, I was struggling to even match my best time which was done in the first week after the demo was released.

The fact that you improved with little effort while trying a different version is hardly indicative that there's variations in all the different versions of the GT TT. It just means that you haven't reached your best time yet. If anything you can learn from the experience is to not try too hard :)

The variation between the different regional release of GT3 and GT4 on the other hand is probably stem from the fact that the PS2, unlike the PS3 has no provision for online update to its game. If you look at how GT5P is updated- Spec II and III update which cover all region (the Spec II update was a bit late for the HKG version) show that the past no longer applies.

You might want to check your FFB settings for these different version if you're using a wheel. And for the Tuned 370Z, make sure you match the traction control setting.
 
There are all sorts of people on this forum. Some are worth listening to, some aren't.
Sphinx has as much experience as anyone on GTP, if not more.
Sphinx is one I would listen to.

myke6699
The fact that you improved with little effort while trying a different version is hardly indicative that there's variations in all the different versions of the GT TT. It just means that you haven't reached your best time yet. If anything you can learn from the experience is to not try too hard :)


You might want to check your FFB settings for these different version if you're using a wheel. And for the Tuned 370Z, make sure you match the traction control setting.
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Re-arrange this into a well known phrase or saying:
Granny
Suck
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I have been convinced things have been this way for quite some time, not just for this challenge race. I put a good effort into the challenge so I am happy with my result but these thoughts often creep into my mind and make me feel dead in the water.
 
Sphinx
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If this is the case, I don't want to even try the JP version.

I'm currently sitting around 1500ish in the UK, but imagine if a difference in regions meant I could post a top 20 time in Japan? (I know, I' dreaming:sly:)

It would kill me knowing I'd qualified in a country I wasn't from and would therefore be disqualified from taking my place in the next round.:scared:
 
Here's two pics that I can show you.. I have to underline that I'm not implying anything more than what can be seen here.. So, below are two pics from two different laps (replays). The first one is from the 1'47.505 lap that I drove with the JP demo, and the second one is from the PAL 1'47.547 lap. Both laps were driven with the driving line turned "OFF".

From JP 1'47.505 lap:

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From PAL 1'47.547 lap:

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What you conclude from these pics are totally up to you. The pictures are taken from the "ending screen", when the sceen is paused for a split second just before it fading out.

To be clear, my conclusion from the pics: the figures representing the momentary speed are different in these pictures.
 
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myke6699
The fact that you improved with little effort while trying a different version is hardly indicative that there's variations in all the different versions of the GT TT.
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I have yet to give my opinion or carry out futher testing. If you read the OP again you will see that I am asking a question, not making claim that it is fact after only trying it for 10 laps:

Are Some Versions of the TT Demo Easier Than Others?
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There's a growing discussion going on backchannel regarding the possibility of different versions of the GTA TT Demo being slightly different in terms of speed and handling than others.
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myke6699
The variation between the different regional release of GT3 and GT4 on the other hand is probably stem from the fact that the PS2, unlike the PS3 has no provision for online update to its game. If you look at how GT5P is updated- Spec II and III update which cover all region (the Spec II update was a bit late for the HKG version) show that the past no longer applies.
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Please explain why some demo versions are different file sizes?

You might want to check your FFB settings for these different version if you're using a wheel. And for the Tuned 370Z, make sure you match the traction control setting.
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Thanks for the advice. ;)
 
Timppaq
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I honestly don't think this is meaningful at all. I can do 230 km/h across the line around 50% of the time (admittedly it's not easy), but most of my fast laps end up with a less-than-perfect final turn resulting in 229 across the line.

Considering 230 km/h across the line as an advantage for beginning the next lap, I can personally attest that it is a VERY slim advantage... running against a ghost beginning the lap at 229 km/h, I've crossed the line at 230 and the point at which the two cars' accelerative progress becomes nearly the same arrives very quickly, within a few seconds... beyond that point, any pulling away from the 229 ghost is VERY marginal... a matter of pixels. By the time you reach the braking point, you'd be lucky to have 1/10th of a car length lead.

My point is that the effort required to nail 230 km/h across the line is in no way worth the payoff. It takes practically no effort to cross at 229, and doing so only puts you at a disadvantage of mere thousandths of a second by the time you reach the first braking point compared to a run beginning at 230 km/h.

I don't think the versions are any different, I just think one of those runs had an exceptionally smooth final corner.
 
As of yesterday, i had the following times:

On my official GTP account: (american version) 1´35´931 - 1´48´229
On my testing japanese version 1´35´878 - 1´48´206

So far the only thing i can say is, at least to me, chasing a faster ghost definately helps. I´ve also played just a little with the japanese version, but got better results.

I´m very intrigued about it, but can´t quite say what is it.
 
Timppaq
Any tips? :D

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=124213
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I posted my advice in the thread you linked to above.

I believe there's a post in that thread stating 230 km/h is impossible in the PAL TT. I have very serious doubts about that, but I don't have a European PSN account to verify... I'm sure any of the top PAL players here could chime in... and you're very fast yourself.

If you can keep tire noise and steering input at an absolute minimum throughout the final corner (what's most important here is beginning the exit of the corner, gently releasing all steering input until you're within inches of the outside wall, being careful not to cause any tire noise while exiting). Also helps to shift into 5th as late as possible without bouncing off the limiter a few moments after you begin turning in. Shifting just as the shift light begins to blink usually puts you at 229 across the line no matter how well you take the corner.

If all goes well, you should hit the "dip" in the track at 222 km/h, and see 230 before crossing the line.
 
Well, that's very kind of you 👍

I presume you are using the US demo, right?

Out of curiosity, I downloaded the demo also from the US store with my US account (:sly:), allow me to do a test... give me a few minutes and I'll try one lap with it and take a pic of the same screen as above. Maybe Joker is faster than Timppaq :D
 
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Rudi Raser
Did yesterday some laps with the US demo, 230 km/h is there no problem, it´s the normal speed. ;)
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and here some replays, from the german and japan leaderboard. bad quality, sorry, but the most importend things we can see. :)

Lars (DE)
Eugentheking (DE)
GTRP_Motorius (DE)

taruru (JP)
Z23350 (JP)
tako (JP)



and the full lap from Takeuchi, please.



any more questions about the speed differents between PAL, US and the JP demo? ;)
 
My concern is not about top speed at the line, but rather overall grip levels which would allow a small advantage in each corner resulting with a faster lap. I think that would be harder to judge as improvements happen in very small fractions over the course of the lap.
 
Thank you for posting, Rudi. 👍

Very interesting findings.

I hope to carry out a number of tests later tonight just to confirm your findings.

I'm assuming that the 3 drivers you've used for this comparision are the top three drivers from the JP & DE leaderboards?
 
yes.
in the US demo you will notice that they do also alltime 230 km/h.
didn´t recorded any laps from there, because all replays shows miles and i didn´t saved any laps from myself. but Timo´s pic says all. 👍

and right Jake, would be interesting to find out if there are more difference, hope not. :scared:
 
Rudi Raser
yes.
in the US demo you will notice that they do also alltime 230 km/h.
didn´t recorded any laps from there, because all replays shows miles and i didn´t saved any laps from myself. but Timo´s pic says all. 👍

and right Jake, would be interesting to find out if there are more difference, hope not. :scared:
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Thanks for confirming. 👍

My main corncern in using replays for a comparison is that they haven't always been reliable in the past, so I would like to test in real time just to make sure. 👍
 
Certainly a difference in the videos, but with the speedo rounding to the nearest integer the actual difference between 229 kmh and 230 kmh could be as little as 0.1 kmh.
 
I've always said there is a difference between regions, look at the top times for each region and you see a pattern developing, it was the same with the original GT Academy, some regions times were faster but the top times were within the same range for each region/country.

It must have something to do with the PS3's real time clock, differenct frequency of mains supply or something, but that doesn't explain how running a different regions demo on the same PS3 gives different results !

Either that or there are differences in the water people are drinking in different countrys, maybe not so much "hard" or "soft", but "quick" or "slow" ?

Edit- I just checked the various country's top times and they do appear to be much closer in this Academy than the last one.
 
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Rudi, very thorough stuff... excellent results, wow i am shocked! This is definitely something that should be asked the next time Kaz is interviewed.

I wonder how different the physics are other than speed.
 
Timppaq
with a magnificent laptime of 1'48.906
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Now, can you replicate that in the PAL version?

The first 3 German replays Rudi posted all show 229 at the line, but the Japanese players with 230 seem to be making smoother corner exits with less tire squeal.

Timp, if you absolutely can't replicate the 230 across the line with the PAL version, I'll give in to these guys believing there's some sort of difference.
 
Glubags
I honestly don't think this is meaningful at all. I can do 230 km/h across the line around 50% of the time (admittedly it's not easy), but most of my fast laps end up with a less-than-perfect final turn resulting in 229 across the line.
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thats really interesting... how!? i think i never made once over 229 :nervous:

Glubags
Considering 230 km/h across the line as an advantage for beginning the next lap, I can personally attest that it is a VERY slim advantage... running against a ghost beginning the lap at 229 km/h, I've crossed the line at 230 and the point at which the two cars' accelerative progress becomes nearly the same arrives very quickly, within a few seconds... beyond that point, any pulling away from the 229 ghost is VERY marginal... a matter of pixels. By the time you reach the braking point, you'd be lucky to have 1/10th of a car length lead.
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you say its a slim advantage!? but... 1/10th its a big difference on this competition, besides, the people who tried it said that they can be more consistent and thats the biggest advantage 👍

i know its hard to believe and i never tried it but if people like Timo, Rudi and now Jerry are saying that... something must to be... :ouch:

we need also to have in mind that Japan has definitely the majority of the best players in the world and they wouldn't need this to be where they are though (if there's really something odd going on).. 👍
 
Glubags
The first 3 German replays Rudi posted all show 229 at the line, but the Japanese players with 230 seem to be making smoother corner exits with less tire squeal.
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So are you suggesting that the top 3 German drivers aren't doing it correctly, or that the JP game has the ability to make a smoother run to the finish line?

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Made my question clearer to understand. Sorry about that.
 
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