Assetto Corsa EVO Early Access Discussion Thread

[sirjim73]

Apologies @Terronium-12 for bringing this up again but in my mind, the issue that everything is seemingly forgetting/ignoring is.

This IS NOT a PC sim.
AMS2 IS a PC sim.

Currently it is a PC early access sim.
But ultimately, this IS a PC AND CONSOLE sim.
At the moment, they're approach seems to be holing the console version under the water. The same as they did for AC1.

I really hope that Kunos remember at some point that console sales DO matter to them.

 

[RMi_wood]

If you never joined early access and just bought the game on release... you would never know this feature was removed.

And you would be happy to be playing a new cool sim. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Ande3200]

If you never joined early access and just bought the game on release... you would never know this feature was removed.

And you would be happy to be playing a new cool sim. Ignorance is bliss.

Well you would still see it because of their big marketing towards it. A big set back.

 

[seco46]

If you never joined early access and just bought the game on release... you would never know this feature was removed.

And you would be happy to be playing a new cool sim. Ignorance is bliss.

If it were anything else, maybe, but when it's one of the most important selling points and core features, and you've used it as your primary marketing tool, it's a different story.

We're not just talking about us in this case; there might even be investors who have put money into the game because of that marketing lol

Edit: BTW, it seems that Steam itself is accepting refunds for the game due to this change, in case it wasn't clear that it borders this on being a scam.

 

[MasterFocus]

If it were anything else, maybe, but when it's one of the most important selling points and core features, and you've used it as your primary marketing tool, it's a different story.

We're not just talking about us in this case; there might even be investors who have put money into the game because of that marketing lol

Edit: BTW, it seems that Steam itself is accepting refunds for the game due to this change, in case it wasn't clear that it borders this on being a scam.

Alright, get a refund and move on then...

 

[Ande3200]

Alright, get a refund and move on then...

We have the right to be dissapointed in this. They removing a feature thats been promised. I defend kunos a lot for issues ac evo has had because its early access, but this is not anything you can go behind defend.

Its like gt8 would remove career mode and only had online. Their is s lot of backlash and thats more than warrented

 

[evldave333]

We have the right to be dissapointed in this. They removing a feature thats been promised. I defend kunos a lot for issues ac evo has had because its early access, but this is not anything you can go behind defend.

Its like gt8 would remove career mode and only had online. Their is s lot of backlash and thats more than warrented

Nothing to defend really, just a modest developer trying to achieve overly ambitious aims, and now having to reign in. I wonder if in the future games like this that have a rich history of modding, would be made in collaboration with the community with a middleware interface that is intuitive, perhaps paid like the youtube content creator model. I would argue that content made by the community would trump current standard AI generated material, because of the love for the car culture is so deep.

 

[breeminator]

Its like gt8 would remove career mode and only had online. Their is s lot of backlash and thats more than warrented

GT doesn't really have much of a career mode. It has an economy, but to me, that is not an essential element of a career mode in a game.

Kunos said "While the original Career mode won’t be part of the final direction, providing meaningful structure for solo play remains very important to us. Our goal is to guide progression through skill, learning, and competition, rather than through an artificial economy, while continuing to support well-received features like vehicle tuning.".

They're not saying there won't be a career mode, only that what they originally presented as the career mode, with a virtual economy, has been ditched. They specifically say they still want solo play to have meaningful structure and progression, something we might term..... a career mode.

Games shouldn't try too hard to emulate everything in real life. I once played Football Manager for about 30 mins before deciding it was so similar to a real job that I'd want to be paid to play it.

 

[sirjim73]

GT doesn't really have much of a career mode. It has an economy, but to me, that is not an essential element of a career mode in a game.

Kunos said "While the original Career mode won’t be part of the final direction, providing meaningful structure for solo play remains very important to us. Our goal is to guide progression through skill, learning, and competition, rather than through an artificial economy, while continuing to support well-received features like vehicle tuning.".

They're not saying there won't be a career mode, only that what they originally presented as the career mode, with a virtual economy, has been ditched. They specifically say they still want solo play to have meaningful structure and progression, something we might term..... a career mode.

Games shouldn't try too hard to emulate everything in real life. I once played Football Manager for about 30 mins before deciding it was so similar to a real job that I'd want to be paid to play it.

I think it would make sense for them to expand on what they mean by "meaningful structure" as soon as possible, as the statement is still somewhat vague.

As an example, "guide progression through skill, learning, competition" could be met entirely by:
Skill - getting gold in licence tests
Learning - progressing from bronze to gold in licence tests
Competition - leaderboards for licence tests.

And therefore the entire final game could just be licence tests with leaderboards.

Time trials alone would also meet those 3 progression targets as well.

Of course, I don't in any way believe the final game will be just this, but hopefully these examples explain why they need to expand on what they mean. I feel like the sooner they can do this, the better (for them).

 

[seco46]

Alright, get a refund and move on then...

I'm not going to add anything beyond this image to that comment.

 

[Ande3200]

GT doesn't really have much of a career mode. It has an economy, but to me, that is not an essential element of a career mode in a game.

Kunos said "While the original Career mode won’t be part of the final direction, providing meaningful structure for solo play remains very important to us. Our goal is to guide progression through skill, learning, and competition, rather than through an artificial economy, while continuing to support well-received features like vehicle tuning.".

They're not saying there won't be a career mode, only that what they originally presented as the career mode, with a virtual economy, has been ditched. They specifically say they still want solo play to have meaningful structure and progression, something we might term..... a career mode.

Games shouldn't try too hard to emulate everything in real life. I once played Football Manager for about 30 mins before deciding it was so similar to a real job that I'd want to be paid to play it.

Progression and career has no meaning without an economy. Gt7 even through it dosent have great career mode would be even worse if it was not any progression.

The best career modes is one that tied to an economy look at gt4 fm4 ex

 

[Cote Dazur]

Many, here, on GT Planet, are enthusiast player of Gran Turismo, one of the most popular racing game available to SIM players. Currency progression is part of GT DNA, so of course, when a developper announced and launched, in PC EA, a game with similar feature, many here got interested.
As EA keeps progressing, with huge delays, Kunos has come to a point to realize that they would not be in a position to deliver a satisfying solution and decided to drop it.
Many here are justifiably disappointed.
Refunding them seems like the honorable thing to do.
Other here, like me, are transfuge from GT(6) to AC, one reason was that I did not like (to put it mildly) the grinding. So, for people like me, dropping that feature, particularly if it favours faster development, is positive.
In retrospect, thinking that a small team like Kunos would be able match offering from Polyphony Digital with more than a decade of experience and an extensive team, was probably over optimistic.

 

[lancia delta hf]

The mistake they made isn't canceling the economy progression, it's announcing it with a real explanation on why they've decided that and without telling. In detail exactly what they replacing it with. Also surely the open world and race side of it need different career modes?

I suspect the reason they've decided this is because they've perhaps realised there isn't much depth to the career set up of "pick up a pizza at Luigi's and take to Jurgen's". It's possible that there just weren't enough businesses to add to make this anything more than side quests. They should just ask the community what they want to see in career mode because let's be honest, making a career mode in a racing that isn't aimed at just casuals is not easy.

 

[evldave333]

Games shouldn't try too hard to emulate everything in real life. I once played Football Manager for about 30 mins before deciding it was so similar to a real job that I'd want to be paid to play it.

Yep pretty much what ruins sim driving in many cases is the drive to emulate everything, rather than emulate it well (in terms of marrying it up to gameplay). Gameplay really is the prime factor, this franchise has been quite abject for console and pad users to date.

 

[Nacho Libre]

Yep pretty much what ruins sim driving in many cases is the drive to emulate everything, rather than emulate it well (in terms of marrying it up to gameplay). Gameplay really is the prime factor, this franchise has been quite abject for console and pad users to date.

As a regular driver of GT/FM I can attest that as of the latest update, control in AC Evo is right there in ease of use when compared with those franchises. The feel is closer to FM because it doesn't have the haptic feedback of the DualSense (in fact you could use an Xbox controller/DualSense on PC, but right now the support is partial, and I prefer my 8bitdo with haptic sticks and triggers), but it has an identity of its own.

 

[sirjim73]

As a regular driver of GT/FM I can attest that as of the latest update, control in AC Evo is right there in ease of use when compared with those franchises. The feel is closer to FM because it doesn't have the haptic feedback of the DualSense (in fact you could use an Xbox controller/DualSense on PC, but right now the support is partial, and I prefer my 8bitdo with haptic sticks and triggers), but it has an identity of its own.

When I tried it out (after release of 0.4) I did indeed use an Xbox controller and your recommended settings which worked fine thanks.

At the moment though, there's not enough gameplay to keep me involved so I was waiting to see what appeared with 0.5.

And in the meantime I got distracted by American Truck Simulator where I have over 100 achievements still to unlock . Now, that IS a game that has nailed down its gameplay components perfectly.

 

[Pearl Jam]

If it were anything else, maybe, but when it's one of the most important selling points and core features, and you've used it as your primary marketing tool, it's a different story.

We're not just talking about us in this case; there might even be investors who have put money into the game because of that marketing lol

Edit: BTW, it seems that Steam itself is accepting refunds for the game due to this change, in case it wasn't clear that it borders this on being a scam.

A scam ? What a load of crap you’re spouting… get your refund then and move on as I continue to enjoy the sublime driving feel of this sim. And the fantastic online battles in full lobbies everywhere, seems to me that the majority of the people playing this aren’t remotely bothered about the announcement and are just continuing to enjoy it.

 

[Ande3200]

A scam ? What a load of crap you’re spouting… get your refund then and move on as I continue to enjoy the sublime driving feel of this sim. And the fantastic online battles in full lobbies everywhere, seems to me that the majority of the people playing this aren’t remotely bothered about the announcement and are just continuing to enjoy it.

You could not be more wrong. More are bothered that the romoved economy than the other way around. Its getting very negative on steam 68 % of recent reviews are negative and it keep growing. Knunos might need to take economy back or ac evo might not have much of a future to speak off.

It was a promised future and thry decided 1 year later to take it away. Its a betrayal. Not everyone care about online racing, i sure dont, online racing is cancer of most modern racing games. Ac evo saving grace right now is the open world and car tuning if thry dont screw that part.

I have defend kunos for a lot during early access, but this is a huge step backwords.

We have to be negative when we dont get what was promised. Otherwise they could just change whatever they want. The point with early access is to create a game the community wants. And hopefully kunos see our negative views on this and change their mind. Just delay the full release as long as needed even if it takes another 2 years or more..

 

[Nexus]

...seems to me that the majority of the people playing this aren’t remotely bothered about the announcement and are just continuing to enjoy it.

 

[MasterFocus]

You could not be more wrong. More are bothered that the romoved economy than the other way around. Its getting very negative on steam 68 % of recent reviews are negative and it keep growing. Knunos might need to take economy back or ac evo might not have much of a future to speak off.

It was a promised future and thry decided 1 year later to take it away. Its a betrayal. Not everyone care about online racing, i sure dont, online racing is cancer of most modern racing games. Ac evo saving grace right now is the open world and car tuning if thry dont screw that part.

I have defend kunos for a lot during early access, but this is a huge step backwords.

We have to be negative when we dont get what was promised. Otherwise they could just change whatever they want. The point with early access is to create a game the community wants. And hopefully kunos see our negative views on this and change their mind. Just delay the full release as long as needed even if it takes another 2 years or more..

Early access isnt about giving what community want, its about getting fund to develop a project and while at it testing whats available to use. Developpers can ask what the community what they want but in no way they are forced to listen.
The creator has the vision for its project, not the one who's the project is offered.

 

[MasterFocus]

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Review charts doesnt mean people are playing the game as anyone can review without even know it is.

Here's a chart per 24h for the last 7days, announcement was made feb 4th and even then the peak player that day until today is still about the same as the previous days.

 

[Nexus]

Review charts doesnt mean people are playing the game as anyone can review without even know it is.

To review a game on Steam, you need to own the game. These aren't randoms jumping on the bandwagon, these are paying customers.

Here's a chart per 24h for the last 7days, announcement was made feb 4th and even then the peak player that day until today is still about the same as the previous days.

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Hardcore fans continuing to play the game has literally no relation to the broader community's reaction to this announcement. Even on Overtake's poll, you can clearly see how controversial this is.

And when even hardcore sim racers aren't happy about this (most casuals wouldn't visit sim racing sites), then you know it was a mistake.

The creator has the vision for its project, not the one who's the project is offered.

At this rate, I honestly don't think even Kunos has a clear vision of what they want AC Evo to become.

 

[Ande3200]

Review charts doesnt mean people are playing the game as anyone can review without even know it is.

Here's a chart per 24h for the last 7days, announcement was made feb 4th and even then the peak player that day until today is still about the same as the previous days.

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Reviews starting getting bad after they revealed they going to scrap the economy.

So yes its all about the choise kunos made. And people are not happy about it.

The review bombing was more than warrented.

This is going to hurt ac evo sales in the longrun

 

[nukleabomb]

Early access isnt about giving what community want, its about getting fund to develop a project and while at it testing whats available to use. Developpers can ask what the community what they want but in no way they are forced to listen.
The creator has the vision for its project, not the one who's the project is offered.

And customers can just as easily voice their discontent, and prevent potential customers from purchasing the product.

The worst part is that ACEvo seems to be another AC but without any of the strong points. These being a free custom server system and fully open modding. Kunos has decided that they want the monetization aspect to be stronger this time around and has restricted modding while also making custom servers a pay to play system.


AC only got its popularity due to these features, while ACEvo just amputated one of the two headline features of the game, while handcuffing what made AC popular.

There are quite a few recent games where "no way are they forced to listen" has backfired completely leading to games dying while taking entire studios down with it.

 

[seco46]

A scam ? What a load of crap you’re spouting… get your refund then and move on as I continue to enjoy the sublime driving feel of this sim. And the fantastic online battles in full lobbies everywhere, seems to me that the majority of the people playing this aren’t remotely bothered about the announcement and are just continuing to enjoy it.

Can you stop attacking me and stop defending the company? Lol

What Kunos has done isn't very different from what Ian Bell has done with many of his projects, and yes, in those cases, it was said to border on fraud or scam.

Right now there's no longer any trust that they'll keep their word about anything in the future. One of these days they could very well say they won't support mods because otherwise they won't reach version 1.0 on time, or it's not compatible with their vision for the project, and then you'll have to applaud enthusiastically because complaining when you've been lied in the face isn't exactly your style It seems.

About the other thing, oh yes, most people playing NOW are only playing online because there's nothing else in the game right now.

That majority, which fluctuates between 600 and 1500 concurrent players every day (when the game's maximum recorded player count was 25,000), doesn't represent the majority of people who have actually bought the game, just like the people who are posting negative reviews too.

At least some part of the community is taking action when they've been blatantly deceived and is defending their rights and principles as consumers rather than defending a company like a fanboy.

And for the record, anyone who knows me very well knows that I've always been a huge fan of Kunos and they work, but if they do something wrong and it's a huge mistake, I'm not going to stay silent or defend them like others.

Edit: I love it when people make things up to try and look better, lol.

Don't you guys? Hahaha

 

[Pearl Jam]

Poo emojis, what a adult response,well done..
The way you lot are going on you’d swear they are making it a 100% online game only, there will still be plenty to do for single players with progression too, they’re only removing the economy side of it so some of the reactions are quite frankly embarrassing.
Also in case some are still blissfully unaware, it’s Early Access when things can, and often do, change.
You’re not happy then fine, I appreciate that some folks love a career mode and now it’s been neutered you should all apply for a refund and I wish you all good luck with that. If the sim bombs after this then fair enough, I’m not going to let it stop my enjoyment of the racing side and there’s plenty others who feel the same too.