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[YSSMAN]

...And Scooby owners aren't posers in any kind of way? I find that a bit odd, as every one I see seems to think they can outrun "anything" even while their stupid ass bought the one with the automatic. All I can do is shake my head and walk away...

While I do see where you folks are comming from on the classifications of Porsches as poser, they certainly aren't the first ones to do it. People tend to forget that these companies need to maintain a bottom-line, and that hairdresser in Surrey, the tailor in Munich, the accountant in Los Angeles, etc are all just as important with their "regular" Boxsters as the guys at the track in their 911 Carrera 4S', etc.

I may not like many of the posers in Porsches, but thats part of life. Its like the VW Passat Commercial...



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Porsche drivers do come with a reputation, be it good or bad. Back when I had the '87 911 for a few days (on loan for a weekend... Prom, etc) you get looks from people, both good and bad. Every kid in an Evo or Scooby wants to race you, and everyone else thinks you're a douchebag for driving one.

...I'm siding with the Porsche folks on this one, as the Scooby drivers are just as bad. When you've got the money to buy a Porsche and that is what you want, why not? I get plenty of heat for liking the Corvette, but chances are, when I get the money... I'll buy one anyway!

 

[m7ammed]

I'm a believer that there is no such poser cars , its the actual driver that makes it , saying that type of car is "poser car" is just stereotyping , Like for example somebody above said that 3 series or C-class owners are posers , I could give you links to 100s of sites and forums and you will see that they are more enthusiastic about cars than most people , I'm an owner of 3 series and 318 ( 4pot model) does that make me a poser?

 

[YSSMAN]

It could be argued that because you didn't opt for the I6 that you are, but I wouldn't make fun of you for it. Now if you had modified it out to look like a M3, then you would have hell to pay...

I myself would prefer to have a 325ci over most of the 3-series line myself, as there really isn't a "need" for the top-dog 3.0L version if you aren't going to use it. The performance differences really are not all that great, but you are still getting that 3-series "magic," and thats all that really matters...

 

[m7ammed]

It could be argued that because you didn't opt for the I6 that you are, but I wouldn't make fun of you for it. Now if you had modified it out to look like a M3, then you would have hell to pay...

There are diffrent things that come into choosing a car for example insurance , I owned the car for 2 years ( I has a 318 coupe but exchanged it for vert after a year) this is my first car , I didn't want some thing fast that I could kill myself and 325 is still quick, we don't get the 320 over here , so the 318 was the best choice nice little engine, looks nice , handels very well , and fun to drive , I've enjoyed every single minute of driving it since I bought and still do like if its the first day , never judge a book by its cover

and one more thing I joined an autocross race a couple of months back and I've got a better time than a 330 , a Jaguar S type R , Lumina SS(GTO/Holden) and a TT so its not always about the power

 

[Poverty]

I agree there is no such thing as a drivers car. take a 320 bmw for instance. Magazines rate it highly for its handling and dynamics, but as such its faster than your average family car but not all that fast. Are they posers?

Take a base boxster for example, every time the owner gets into it and drives it he or she will get driving pleasure from it just because it is such a great unrivalled car. He or she does not have to rag it, or get the more powerful engine to get driving pleasure. Just going down to the store will be fun for the porsche driver. Is a miata driver a poser? Is a lotus driver a poser? Each of those cars have something incommon with the boxster and that is handling. Yet people look down on boxster drivers just because it has a bigger brother which represents everything that porsche is about and is iconic.

No such thing as a posers car, apart from those bloody SUV's.

 

[Danny]

Hey, here's an idea!

Let's not discuss this here!

On topic, if AM are sold, will Vanquishs cease production, since they use a lot of Ford parts?

 

[m7ammed]

Hey, here's an idea!

Let's not discuss this here!

On topic, if AM are sold, will Vanquishs cease production, since they use a lot of Ford parts?

Maybe they could have a deal that ford supplies the parts that are in use until a new model comes or something

 

[Poverty]

the vanquish was gonna disappear regardless of being sold or not.

 

[Danny]

the vanquish was gonna disappear regardless of being sold or not.

WHAT??!!!!

Do you have a link?

Maybe they could have a deal that ford supplies the parts that are in use until a new model comes or something

I hope so. Unless the Vanquish was to get an overhaul. I could understand the Vanquish being made over, but not stopped completely!

Aston Martin needs a muscle wagon!

 

[Poverty]

no link, I was told by an aston martin fan. Blame the DB9 for its death

 

[Danny]

no link, I was told by an aston martin fan. Blame the DB9 for its death

My feelings can be summed up easily.

 

[Dave A]

I believe the Vanquish is set to end production next year. The DB9 is not to blame for it's death though, the DB9 is the DB7 replacement, the Vanquish was not. The Vanquish has been around since 2001, it's not being cut short because another model is choking sales, it's simply being replaced after a 6 not too shabby 6 year life. The DBRS9 will fill the shoes of the super Aston.

 

[Tornado]

I agree there is no such thing as a drivers car. take a 320 bmw for instance. Magazines rate it highly for its handling and dynamics, but as such its faster than your average family car but not all that fast. Are they posers?

You completely missed (or ignored) the point. It has nothing to do with handling G's or any of that. It has to do with who is the usual buyer.

Take a base boxster for example, every time the owner gets into it and drives it he or she will get driving pleasure from it just because it is such a great unrivalled car. He or she does not have to rag it, or get the more powerful engine to get driving pleasure. Just going down to the store will be fun for the porsche driver.

Again, it has not a thing to do with any of that.

Is a miata driver a poser?

No, it's a woman's car. Despite being an all amazing driving machine.

Is a lotus driver a poser?

You have no idea what you are saying, do you? The only two Lotuses sold in the past 15 years have been far, far to extreme to be posuers cars.

Each of those cars have something incommon with the boxster and that is handling. Yet people look down on boxster drivers just because it has a bigger brother which represents everything that porsche is about and is iconic.

I'll say this one more time: They do not look down upon it because it is not the 911. That stopped happening 30 years ago with the 914-6, because the Porsche fanatics realized that they were wrong. They look down upon it because it is bought by idiots who wanted a Porsche so they could show it off. It is the exact same circumstance of cars like the Hummer H2 and Jeep Compass. Porsche embraced these idiots, and in doing so made them incredibly rich, which allowed them to bolster these sales with the Cayenne V6.

No such thing as a posers car, apart from those bloody SUV's.

The only Porsche SUV that suffers from being a posuers car is the Cayenne 3.2 and Cayenne S. All of the others are legitimate Porsches.

I believe the Vanquish is set to end production next year. The DB9 is not to blame for it's death though, the DB9 is the DB7 replacement, the Vanquish was not. The Vanquish has been around since 2001, it's not being cut short because another model is choking sales, it's simply being replaced after a 6 not too shabby 6 year life. The DBRS9 will fill the shoes of the super Aston.

I don't know about that. The Vanquish came about and it was the ultimate Aston. The DB9 came about and it was 95% of the Vanquish, for only 70% of the price, and it made the Vanquish useless. This DBRS9 will have killed off the Vanquish S had it the chance. It has nothing to do with the car's age. It had to do with the car's position relative to the other Astons.

 

[Dave A]

The Vanquish was never intended to be a long term model, it was also never intended to be a model that got replaced like the DB5 was by he DB6, the DB6 by the DB7, the Vantage by the, Vantage. And then again by the Vantage. However the Vanquish is in a way, being replaced just not by the Vanquish mk2, but the DBRS9. The Vanquish has lasted 6 years, that's a good life for a prestige car that has to be upto date with the copmpetition. The Vanquish is not coming to an end because of the DB9 regadless of the DB9 being the sane choice. The DBRS9 is the new Aston supercar. Yes the Vanquishe's postion in raltion to newer models isn't ideal anymore, but that's just a sign that the Vanquish is also the oldest car in the Aston Matin model range today.

 

[Tornado]

You misunderstand. I don't mean that the Vanquish is being replaced literally in Aston's range, like the Porsche 993 to the 996. I mean market wise, like the BMW 8-series to the BMW Z8. I mean that with the other cars in Aston's range all with nearly identicle specs (particularly the DBRS9), it leaves the Vanquish out to dry, as it's marketspace as the super Aston has been stolen partially by the DB9, and completely by this DBRS9. It has no market to be sold in, with it's brother's so hot at it's heels. A good question is, however, if Ford does decide to stuff the costs and sells Aston, where wil they go for V12's? I can't see Aston licensing engines.

 

[YSSMAN]

A good question is, however, if Ford does decide to stuff the costs and sells Aston, where wil they go for V12's? I can't see Aston licensing engines.

If I'm not mistaken, the DB9's V12 is based uppon the Ford Duratec design, but the engine was all developed in-house by Aston themselves. So theoretically, the engine would be "theirs" should they depart, much like how the AJ V8 would be for Jaguar.

 

[Poverty]

You completely missed (or ignored) the point. It has nothing to do with handling G's or any of that. It has to do with who is the usual buyer.

Does the usual buyer not get driving pleasure?

Again, it has not a thing to do with any of that.

Why not? Do you make the rules?

No, it's a woman's car. Despite being an all amazing driving machine.

Grow up

You have no idea what you are saying, do you? The only two Lotuses sold in the past 15 years have been far, far to extreme to be posuers cars.

Dont patronise me. Seriously im getting tired of your bull****. You fully well know that I know exactly what lotus' are, and you are seemingly forgetting about the esprit. Plenty of people buy elise' and never track them YOU dont have a clue what your talking about. It must be because your american, as your view seems to be that why would anyone drive such a little comfort creature-less vehicle on your roads. Maybe its because you cant get it through your head that people can get driving pleasure from a vehicle and not have to be breaking any traffic laws. Maybe its because in your country there is a distinct lack of corners, and because one of your lanes is as big as two of mine. Take your head out your ass.

I'll say this one more time: They do not look down upon it because it is not the 911. That stopped happening 30 years ago with the 914-6, because the Porsche fanatics realized that they were wrong. They look down upon it because it is bought by idiots who wanted a Porsche so they could show it off. It is the exact same circumstance of cars like the Hummer H2 and Jeep Compass. Porsche embraced these idiots, and in doing so made them incredibly rich, which allowed them to bolster these sales with the Cayenne V6.

Rightttttttt..... Try telling that to the 911 drivers, they overall arent to happy that porsche does make SUV's especially as its ever so ugly. But who am I to argue with you. You say everything with such vigorous factualness.

The only Porsche SUV that suffers from being a posuers car is the Cayenne 3.2 and Cayenne S. All of the others are legitimate Porsches.

Poser
Poseur

Different spellings same meaning.

But heres the funny thing. This kids for some reason belives just because someone has the money for a cayenne turbo or turbo S that doesnt make them a poser any more? So just because someone has more money to spend on his SUV than the person in the base model he automatically isnt a poser You havent got a clue grow up.

Seriously you need to understand that just because someone is in a base porsche doesnt mean that they are a poser. The base porsche will stip kick the crap out of yours and mine cars, and many much more powerful vehicles. Just because the owner doesnt drive spiritially doesnt mean that they are a poser. I guess BMW 330CI drivers must be posers. Why didnt they go for the M3 or 335i? Your argument has no base and its a stupid argument. Next time you see a "poser" in his porsche ask him what its like to drive, and how it compares to other cars hes had on a dynamics, and smiling factor.

You will probably continue to spout this crap until you do drive a porsche, and not in a straight line either

 

[Dave A]

Be careful you don't turn this into a falme war mate. However I have to say, you have a point.

 

[astonmartinluvr]

i hope BMW buys it
then the V12 Vanquish can have a BMW V12 engine (the one under the hood of the McLaren F1) and BMW wouldn't water it down or spoil its British-ness-ness... whatever. but if they're smart they would make an affordable model!
(for all other astonmartinluvrs who cant even buy a busted up DB6)

 

[Dave A]

Why make an affordable Aston Martin, a cheap Aston Martin isn't really an Aston Martin. It'd be like Ferrari making a supermini, it just doesn't fit in with the companies image. The V8 Vantage IS Aston Martin's affordable model.

 

[YSSMAN]

Well your "affordable" Ferraris come in the form of Fiats and Alfa Romeos, so that would mean your "affordable" Aston would be Focus.

(lol)

 

[harrytuttle]

I don't know why this is even up for discussion. There's posuers in every segment. There's meat whistles who put 20" rims on their '93 Civic, there are rich old farts who pootle around town in their F430, and there's every client on "Unique Whips". Posers are everywhere, in all walks of life, driving all sorts of cars. For any Subaru driver to call any Porsche driver a poseur (or vice versa), it's all about a pot, a kettle, and something black.

 

[Tornado]

Does the usual buyer not get driving pleasure?

I'll spell it out for you: The usual buyers of the base Porsche don't care. They buy the car becuase they want to buy into the brand.

Why not? Do you make the rules?

I don't know. Do you read my posts?

Grow up

In case you need to know, I have been in many arguements about the fact that the Miata is not a woman's car. If I cared I could look to find them. I merely stated what is thought to be fact: More woman buy Miata's than men. I never said my opinion.

Dont patronise me. Seriously im getting tired of your bull****. You fully well know that I know exactly what lotus' are, and you are seemingly forgetting about the esprit.

Oh, okay. So the Esprit was a regular grocery getter. That was less than 40 inches tall. Okay, I understand. Perfectly normal car. Definately not an overly extreme, $100,000 car.

Plenty of people buy elise' and never track them YOU dont have a clue what your talking about.

Okay, I'm sure people buy Elises because they are a cheap way to buy into a brand that no one cares about the prestige of. The Elise is definately not the only car Lotus sells or anything, so it's definately not irrelavent anyways.

It must be because your american, as your view seems to be that why would anyone drive such a little comfort creature-less vehicle on your roads.

What in hell are you talking about?

Maybe its because you cant get it through your head that people can get driving pleasure from a vehicle and not have to be breaking any traffic laws.

Maybe its because you are being a total ass and completely shrting my original point.

Maybe its because in your country there is a distinct lack of corners, and because one of your lanes is as big as two of mine. Take your head out your ass.

How is it that your posts are aways so hilariously ironic. Do I need to point you to every post where you discussed the complete lack of oversteer in modern Audi's? Or best of all, the German car thread?

Rightttttttt..... Try telling that to the 911 drivers, they overall arent to happy that porsche does make SUV's especially as its ever so ugly.

Right. So the Cayenne Turbo S, Cayman S and Cayenne Turbo which are faster than every Porsche made right now except the GT3 and 911 Turbo are looked down upon by 911 owners? I was sure it was only the base models of the Cayenne and Boxster that were looked down upon. But, you do say everything with such vigorous factualness.

But who am I to argue with you. You say everything with such vigorous factualness.

Irony sure is a female dog, isn't it? Again, I point you to the German car thread.

Poser
Poseur
Different spellings same meaning.

Okay except Poser is a modeling program. Poseur is a descriptor.

But heres the funny thing. This kids for some reason belives just because someone has the money for a cayenne turbo or turbo S that doesnt make them a poser any more? So just because someone has more money to spend on his SUV than the person in the base model he automatically isnt a poser

No. However, there are far more idiots who buy base level Cayennes and Boxsters that do it merely to buy into the brand than there are idiots who buy top level Porsches to buy into the brand, if only because there are less idiots with that much money. In addition, tell me how the base level versions of those cars are any better than the other cars they are competing with? The Porsche Cayenne 3.2 sure as hell isn't the best midsize SUV, yet it is one of the most expensive. Why? Brand prestige that morons are willing to buy into. Again, it is the exact same thing as the Hummer H2. The Boxster 2.7 sure as hell isn't the best convertible in it's class.

You havent got a clue grow up.

Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen. Good night!

Seriously you need to understand that just because someone is in a base porsche doesnt mean that they are a poser.

Seriously, you need to understand that I never said that. I said they were labled as such because they were bought by posuers. Not that all of the owners are posuers.

The base porsche will stip kick the crap out of yours and mine cars, and many much more powerful vehicles. Just because the owner doesnt drive spiritially doesnt mean that they are a poser.

All of this is irrelavent to the conversation at hand. It has nothing to do with handling power or speed. It has to do wiht the fact that as one of the cheapest Porsches, if not the cheapest one, it will be bought in good portions by morons that just want to buy into the brand.

I guess BMW 330CI drivers must be posers. Why didnt they go for the M3 or 335i? Your argument has no base and its a stupid argument.

Au Contraire. My arguement has perfect base. You just don't understand what I am saying, which is mostly my fault.

Next time you see a "poser" in his porsche ask him what its like to drive, and how it compares to other cars hes had on a dynamics, and smiling factor.

I do that and he will probably have no clue what I am talking about.[/FONT]

You will probably continue to spout this crap until you do drive a porsche, and not in a straight line either

You set yourself up for this:
You will probably continue to spout crap until you do drive an Audi, and not in a straight line either.

 

[Poverty]

Well Ive read all of your "argument", but am heading off to bed and shall reply when Im bored enough to actually take the time out for it.

But think about this in the mean time. Your 16. Im 18. I have driven a couple of audi's(so much for your last quote rebuttal eh? ), and I am going to buy either a audi A3 or a BMW 318ci sometime next year. Do you even have a license? Go do your research on these base porsche/bmw buyers (oh my, I might be a base bmw 3 series buyer next year, I MUST BE A POSER!!!!) and then improve your argument as the flaws could be seen from the moon.

Also you have obviously taken a cheap shot about my enthiusiasm about audi's. But also take this into consideration. Against the M3 the S4 is poor. Against the RS4, the M3 is poor. Against the S4 the caddy CTS-V is poor.

You insinuate that audi's dont handle well, yet its still alot better than the best that america had to offer in its class. Somehow I dont think audi's are all that bad, as you are trying to suggest

 

[Tornado]

Go do your research on these base porsche/bmw buyers (oh my, I might be a base bmw 3 series buyer next year, I MUST BE A POSER!!!!) and then improve your argument as the flaws could be seen from the moon.

Thank you. By saying that you proved that you have not read a single part of my post. I did not say that buying the car meant you were a posuer, at any point in time. I said that the cars were labled as posuer cars becuase of the good portion of who buys them. Not that everyoen who buys them is a posuer. And if these flaws can be seen from the moon, then why haven't you chosen one specifically? Tell me, if my opinion that a good portion of the base Boxster and Cayenne owners is so wrong, then why is it supported by so much of the media?

You insinuate that audi's dont handle well, yet its still alot better than the best that america had to offer in its class. Somehow I dont think audi's are all that bad, as you are trying to suggest

Well, you insiniuated by stating that I don't think Porsches handled well that I needed to take my head out of my ass, which I never said that they didn't. In addition, I was purposely playing on your thoughts that Audi's didn't understeer because you were implying that I didn't know what I was talking about. It's called irony.

 

[YSSMAN]

Against the S4 the caddy CTS-V is poor

I'm sorry, but I can't let this one go. While the Audi may have taken some awards away from the Cadillac, there isn't any denying the fact that it is easily the cheapest and fastest car in it's category. I'd take a CTS-V any day over an S4, or even an RS4 for that matter, but I will acknowlege the greatness of the Audi lineup.

NOTE: I don't want to turn this into a CTS-V versus R/S4 battle, but I felt it is something worth mentioning...