ATAQ - a time trial experiment

[Gorefast]

Yeah, i'm the fastest unswapped AWD! 🥳

Yesterday i had my first laps around RA. All my improvements happend in the 1st sector - do we really have to do a full lap? 😜

Congrats to that! 👑

With the adjusted rules the effect of an engine swap should be smaller. So, aim for the top! The RWD lap times were already quite close (knowing that not everyone put much time into this group).

 

[rheinaoi]

I've fully embraced Audi-steer for this upcoming ATAQ. I'd love to get the Aventador into the 1:19s, but the R8 is taking up my focus.

Audi R8 Coupe V10 Plus - 1:19.4
505hp / 2934lbs [376.5kw / 1330kg ] - 690pp

But the real surprise came from the older Porsche GT3:

Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) - 1:19.3
515hp / 2976lbs [384kw / 1350kg] - 716pp

The 991 GT3 is truly unhinged and seems to have more overall grip than even the 992. Truly a top tier machine [that has killed me many times for pushing too hard].

High downforce, aggressive setups have been the fastest from my testing so far. Cars with aggressive, grippy front ends can set themselves up to fly through sector 1. AWD helped me balance the aggression, but I cannot tell you how many times I hit a curb incorrectly and was send sideways into the Shadow Realm.

The power / weight figures above are the sweet spot for my driving.

I am pretending that FR cars do not exist, despite a Corvette C6 and a Camaro ZL1 getting 1:19.9s on my leaderboard.

 

[Gorefast]

I've fully embraced Audi-steer for this upcoming ATAQ. I'd love to get the Aventador into the 1:19s, but the R8 is taking up my focus.

Audi R8 Coupe V10 Plus - 1:19.4
505hp / 2934lbs [376.5kw / 1330kg ] - 690pp

But the real surprise came from the older Porsche GT3:

Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) - 1:19.3
515hp / 2976lbs [384kw / 1350kg] - 716pp

The 991 GT3 is truly unhinged and seems to have more overall grip than even the 992. Truly a top tier machine [that has killed me many times for pushing too hard].

High downforce, aggressive setups have been the fastest from my testing so far. Cars with aggressive, grippy front ends can set themselves up to fly through sector 1. AWD helped me balance the aggression, but I cannot tell you how many times I hit a curb incorrectly and was send sideways into the Shadow Realm.

The power / weight figures above are the sweet spot for my driving.

I am pretending that FR cars do not exist, despite a Corvette C6 and a Camaro ZL1 getting 1:19.9s on my leaderboard.

Keep at it! That might give me top 5 result in the FWD section... 🙄 (Do you read this @Wilsonson and @KAlex122 ?) 😅

 

[Meythia]

currently happy with my time. 1m19s43*
currently not happy that I did a Sophy and went off track with all 4 wheels.

Take a deep breath and try again.

but I cannot tell you how many times I hit a curb incorrectly and was send sideways into the Shadow Realm.

I solved that with a slightly softer suspension setup overall, but tried to keep all sliders at the same balance.
It works somehow, but for what its worth I am spending my time better on trying to get closer to the optimal lap time instead of dialing in the setup.

 

[Gorefast]

Hej fellas,

I had a first run at Road Atlanta and am wondering about track limits.

This is the little chicane after long Turn 1. Is 100% kerb still a valid lap?

The left hander after the esses. In my opinion 100% kerb is here fine but you need at least one tyre left of the white line after. Right?

I am asking for a friend... 🙄 This could be important before the end of this round. Tell me what you think as we are our own referees!

By the way, there is another interesting approach towards Time Trial and Tuning here at GTPlanet: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/new-global-time-attack-championship.431879/

 

[Meythia]

Hej fellas,

I had a first run at Road Atlanta and am wondering about track limits.

I have not thought about that and I see I need to make a few new laps with a much stricter mindset.
As I have already spent a bit of time, I wont voice my opinion but instead see what will be the conclusion on the topic.

 

[rheinaoi]

Hej fellas,

I had a first run at Road Atlanta and am wondering about track limits.

View attachment 1450458
This is the little chicane after long Turn 1. Is 100% kerb still a valid lap?

View attachment 1450459
The left hander after the esses. In my opinion 100% kerb is here fine but you need at least one tyre left of the white line after. Right?

I am asking for a friend... 🙄 This could be important before the end of this round. Tell me what you think as we are out own referees!

By the way, there is another interesting approach towards Time Trial and Tuning here at GTPlanet: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/new-global-time-attack-championship.431879/

I'm fine with maximum curb and yellow stuff for the chicane after turn 1. Yes, you can gain A LOT of momentum if you run over the yellow patch correctly, but it's also easy to get wrong / unsettle the car. My brain defaults to '90's DTM Driver' whenever I see this, and because PD's track limits are annoyingly strict here.

Same for the left hander. 100% Kerb. Just don't touch the wall. I can see why others would not be happy with this.

I've posted my preliminary lap (#ataq #rheinaoi #ataqatlanta). After watching it myself, oh dear, do I use all of the tarmac I'll dial it back.

Yesterday i had my first laps around RA. All my improvements happend in the 1st sector - do we really have to do a full lap?

My brain does an emergency shut off after sector 1 at Road Atlanta because I burned up too many resources trying [and failing] to keep the car from sliding.

@Meythia The unintentional Sophy line is PAIN. Side note; my very first run ended exactly like your earlier posted lap. I thought I had angle right. The car thought so too, Full throttle. The track evaporates. Across the line and over the lawn.

 

[911RSR]

Hej fellas,

I had a first run at Road Atlanta and am wondering about track limits.

View attachment 1450458
This is the little chicane after long Turn 1. Is 100% kerb still a valid lap?

View attachment 1450459
The left hander after the esses. In my opinion 100% kerb is here fine but you need at least one tyre left of the white line after. Right?

I am asking for a friend... 🙄 This could be important before the end of this round. Tell me what you think as we are our own referees!

By the way, there is another interesting approach towards Time Trial and Tuning here at GTPlanet: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/new-global-time-attack-championship.431879/

I have a blurred memory of the last official TT at RA. The track limits in the left hander after the esses drove me mad.
But i think a "one rule for all"-approach works best. With that we avoid discussions for single turns.

so my suggestion is:

• curbs are part of the track
• painted tarmac on the other side of the curbs are not part of the track
• 2 wheels have to be always on the track

I know this is strickt and will be anoying sometimes, but who wants an easy challange? ☺️

 

[ScottPuss20]

911R SR	Porsche Cayman GT4 '16	55,631	-	-	Toyota GR Yaris 1st Edition RZ '20	54,404
bliprunner	-	-	Golf I GTI '83	55,840	-	-
Gorefast	Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08	55,855	Renault Sport Megane R.S. Trophy '11	56,097	Lancer Evo V GSR '98	54,656
ikon_313	Amuse S2000 GT1	55,502	Garage RCR Civic	57,633	Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR '04	51,256	Winner AWD
Meythia	Alfa Romeo 4C Launch Edition '14	55,056	-	-	Subaru Impreza 22B-STi Version '98	54,958
MUC76	-	-	-	-	Jeep Willys MB '45	52,868
rheinaoi	Ford GT 40 Mark I '68	53,964	Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '98	55,427	Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR '04	51,374	Winner RWD + FWD
ScottPuss20	Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09	55,604	Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '98	56,905	Audi R8 4.2 FSI R tronic '07	54,659
smoothbore12	-	-	-	-	Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR '04	52,081
tmtk	Ferrari 430 Scuderia '07	55,484	-	-	-	-

My times were done with fuel use and tyre wear turned on so they aren't really comparable to the other laps.

 

[Meythia]

so my suggestion is:

• curbs are part of the track
• painted tarmac on the other side of the curbs are not part of the track
• 2 wheels have to be always on the track

I know this is strickt and will be anoying sometimes, but who wants an easy challange? ☺️

2 wheels on the track side of this line?

Or is the yellow stuff part of kerb in picture 1?

 

[911RSR]

2 wheels on the track side of this line?
View attachment 1450550

Or is the yellow stuff part of kerb in picture 1?

I'd suggest the track ends at the red line.

 

[Gorefast]

My times were done with fuel use and tyre wear turned on so they aren't really comparable to the other laps.

That makes sense. So why don't you go this round like us and smash my lap times exceptional? 🤪

@911RSR : I accept that track limit. You are right - who wants an easy challenge?!?

Can we all agree on this?

 

[Meythia]

pushing it to the edges ...

Im confused about whether this is supposed to be in or out.
If the kerb was any longer, this would be in, is it out?


After a while of driving with the clarified rules, it occures to me that it really creates a hassle of tracking the fastest lap because now on each fastest attempt I have to review whether it was appropriate or not 🤔
Next time Tokyo, there is no doubts about track limits there 🤭

edit: idea - driving with shortcut penalty heavy, let the game decide? any lap that produced a penalty is invalidated.

 

[911RSR]

pushing it to the edges ...
View attachment 1450586

Im confused about whether this is supposed to be in or out.
If the kerb was any longer, this would be in, is it out?


After a while of driving with the clarified rules, it occures to me that it really creates a hassle of tracking the fastest lap because now on each fastest attempt I have to review whether it was appropriate or not 🤔
Next time Tokyo, there is no doubts about track limits there 🤭

edit: idea - driving with shortcut penalty heavy, let the game decide? any lap that produced a penalty is invalidated.

The tarmac on your pic is the track?
left from it, under the car, is the curb?
In that case the car is on the track, with plenty of space to use (the whole curb!)!

edit: idea - driving with shortcut penalty heavy, let the game decide? any lap that produced a penalty is invalidated.

I wouldn't mind that! I guess it would make things even easier.

 

[ikon_313]

pushing it to the edges ...
View attachment 1450586

Im confused about whether this is supposed to be in or out.
If the kerb was any longer, this would be in, is it out?


After a while of driving with the clarified rules, it occures to me that it really creates a hassle of tracking the fastest lap because now on each fastest attempt I have to review whether it was appropriate or not 🤔
Next time Tokyo, there is no doubts about track limits there 🤭

edit: idea - driving with shortcut penalty heavy, let the game decide? any lap that produced a penalty is invalidated.

As long as the lines are on the tarmac, I think your good (like in Tennis lol). Using the games penalty seems like a good idea.

 

[Meythia]

The tarmac on your pic is the track?
left from it, under the car, is the curb?
In that case the car is on the track, with plenty of space to use (the whole curb!)!

It is the exit of this part:

The game penalty system seems to work fine for this purpose
No going wide on both corners that were mentioned earlier - so no questions left.
Just whenever a penalty is applied slow down so the next lap is not a game-red-lap and will be counted.

 

[Gorefast]

It is the exit of this part:
View attachment 1450591

The game penalty system seems to work fine for this purpose
No going wide on both corners that were mentioned earlier - so no questions left.
Just whenever a penalty is applied slow down so the next lap is not a game-red-lap and will be counted.

Okay, just for me to understand: I turn penalties on and let the game decide whether the lap is valid or not? I am fine with it.

Next round is planned at Brands Hatch (and not Tokyo...) but it shouldn't be a problem there.

 

[Meythia]

Okay, just for me to understand: I turn penalties on and let the game decide whether the lap is valid or not? I am fine with it.

Yep.
1. 3rd button when in time trial mode

2. last option

3. set the above option to the strong setting

4.

->

 

[Meythia]

@Gorefast are you going to update the starting post with the current event?
How long will it be running? (Im out for the last 2 weeks this month).

 

[ScottPuss20]

I managed a 1:21.576 in my Audi R8 last night with 597 HP and 1,560 KG.

 

[Gorefast]

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I managed a 1:21.576 in my Audi R8 last night with 597 HP and 1,560 KG.
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Without tyres wear and everything? Right now I am only 1 second behind! Still trying some cars just fo fun...

 

[ScottPuss20]

Without tyres wear and everything? Right now I am only 1 second behind! Still trying some cars just fo fun...

Yes, I did all the right things as you said. Might try the C5 Corvette tonight.

 

[Gorefast]

@Gorefast are you going to update the starting post with the current event?
How long will it be running? (Im out for the last 2 weeks this month).

I have updated the second entry and this round will stop at the end of the 16th of June. I will be away, too.

 

[ikon_313]

Close to cracking 1:20 with 500bhp/1306kg. The aero on this thing is insane! Did a few laps in an online practice session, so not sure where I land in the single player time trial. Purple paint seems to help chasing purple laps

 

[911RSR]

Close to cracking 1:20 with 500bhp/1306kg. The aero on this thing is insane! Did a few laps in an online practice session, so not sure where I land in the single player time trial. Purple paint seems to help chasing purple laps

View attachment 1450804

Insane time! I don't think i can beat that with my GT3RS.
But maybe if i take the shortcut like you did in the screenshot ... 😁

 

[Meythia]

Same Corvette as before.

I have not yet sprung the bandwagon of the Porsche drivers up there.

 

[ikon_313]

Insane time! I don't think i can beat that with my GT3RS.
But maybe if i take the shortcut like you did in the screenshot ... 😁

That was while parking off track to take a screenshot (0kmh, brake lights on)...

 

[Gorefast]

View attachment 1450821
Same Corvette as before.

I have not yet sprung the bandwagon of the Porsche drivers up there.

Didn't you want to go into holidays and leave your Playstation at home?!? Do it now! 😉

Impressive lap time! You can do it into '19!

 

[Gorefast]

That was while parking off track to take a screenshot (0kmh, brake lights on)...

Yeah, it was just a joke! But now I want to know whether you use this camera while driving?

 

[Meythia]

Impressive lap time! You can do it into '19!

Me thinks Ikon is closer to that with time trial mode.
His screenshot above was with fuel consumption, so with a heavier load.