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Also, we don't issue infractions for spelling mistakes.

Thank god or you would've had one right there. :sly:

But just because I have bad vision means that if I go out to play sports that means my opponent has to move at a slower pace or whatnot? No, and regardless of dyslexic or not, there's a line between mental problem and pure idiocity.

And it's about this thick: l
 
I didn't realize there were so many qualified members here to say whether or not someone does indeed have a disability simply by reading their posts.

I'm not trying to defend the OP, but there are some pretty harsh things in here relating to people with disabilities. I understand some people may use it as an excuse, but what if they aren't? I couldn't live with myself for making fun or talking down to someone about their claimed disability.
 
Anybody who claims they have dyslexia - especially as an excuse to try and get out of trouble - will, in all likelihood, be banned.

You would ban someone for claiming they are dyslexic? Is that not a bit draconian?
 
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You would ban someone for claiming they are dyslexic? Is that not a bit draconian?
If they actually are dyslexic, then it's fine. But if they claim they are dyslexic when they are not in an attempt to get out trouble - usually for lazy grammar - and try using that as an excuse to keep making consistenty-poor posts, then what would you do any differently? After all, the AUP does state that you will not knowingly post false or misleading information. A two-day ban for them to think of it over certainly won't hurt them.
 
If they actually are dyslexic, then it's fine. But if they claim they are dyslexic when they are not in an attempt to get out trouble - usually for lazy grammar - and try using that as an excuse to keep making consistenty-poor posts, then what would you do any differently? After all, the AUP does state that you will not knowingly post false or misleading information. A two-day ban for them to think of it over certainly won't hurt them.

How will you know for sure that they are or aren't? At that point, you are playing the role of a doctor and not an English teacher.
 
I have a dyslexic friend and he really can't spell and only learned to write as an adult. He can't spell well at all. But he is not "thick". He might be lazy though.:sly:
But because I haven't set him any rules, when he sends me a 1 line email and i have to try and translate it back into something i can understand I don't send it straight back and ask him to do it again. This forum has rules, I suppose if it wanted to be more flexible those with a disability could register with the forum in a different manner with proof of the disability sent in to be checked and approved, then a special disability icon could be put on the users profile name to show that they are exempt from the spelling rules. As with public and educational life other people need to know of the legitimate reason for differences in rules. Disabled drivers have to display official disability badges to let them park anywhere they like. Students are aware that others will be given special treatment and free computers in school/college/university because they are dyslexic or have other disabilities. But people can't just claim they have it, it must be assessed on a case by case basis and proof required. Anyway this forum doesn't offer that service and would need payment from the person to cover admin..
I think a point is made.

As a side note the university my friend went to gave special dispensation to allow his degree dissertation to be given as a video with no written work. How cool is that? 👍

Extra edit: Wanted to also say the friend i know had a personal professional assistant for the whole 3 years of his course and for when he was at school, if something can't be done without assistance you need assistance, in this case a forum member needs someone to help them write a message on the internet. As annoying as that might seem that is what is required in order to post here.
Extra side note:
I accidentally made a dyslexic man think I was calling him stupid once, he got angry... I know how sensitive the situation can be.
Come to think of it I seem to know quite few dyslexics and may even be one myself from the crazily random symptoms the term can cater for. I am sceptical of it's broadness now and what it really is. Anyway what is true is that there are difficulties out there, call them what you like. Also let's not forget that laziness or a similar effect of it is a symptom of illnesses too. But even so, rules exist and ways in order to manage must be found. But breaking rules to protest against the rules might not do much good... unless it's a riot in which case the government might listen. I don't support violent protest. Oops I'm rambling now.
 
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If they actually are dyslexic, then it's fine. But if they claim they are dyslexic when they are not in an attempt to get out trouble - usually for lazy grammar - and try using that as an excuse to keep making consistenty-poor posts, then what would you do any differently? After all, the AUP does state that you will not knowingly post false or misleading information. A two-day ban for them to think of it over certainly won't hurt them.

Consistently poor posts perhaps, but your original post seemed to suggest you would just ban someone outright for claiming they had dyslexia. Which on the face of it seems rather harsh, and that's aside from the fact that you are assuming you know without uncertainty that they are lying.

I am not judging your credentials as an English teacher, but on the spot banning them (as your quote seemed to suggest), on something that cannot be known without absolute certainly if they are indeed telling the truth or not, seems rather hasty.

If a claim is false, or allegedly false, I was under the assumption the poster has the opportunity to prove so, at least that is what I thought necessitated the ludicrous claims thread?

I am not condoning hiding behind dyslexia as an excuse of course, there are a plethora of online resources which allow you to post typo free. I am just surprised at how forward you appeared to be with banning someone, for something that isn't so black and white.
 
I am just surprised at how forward you appeared to be with banning someone, for something that isn't so black and white.

Because people love to control by fear, especially when they have mad mod powers.

Mass respect! 👍
 
Anybody who claims they have dyslexia - especially as an excuse to try and get out of trouble - will, in all likelihood, be banned. One of the conditions of the AUP is that "you will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate". Ergo, claiming that you are dyslexic when you are not is a violation of the AUP, and a serious one. ....


...but your original post seemed to suggest you would just ban someone outright for claiming they had dyslexia. Which on the face of it seems rather harsh, and that's aside from the fact that you are assuming you know without uncertainty that they are lying.

Original post seems to me, that if you break the AUP, you could be banned.
I think with the amount of traffic in here these days, the mods have a tough job. And then to be abused because someone thinks the AUP does not apply to them, my hat goes off to the mods.
I can see now why there was an increase in the amount of mods for the time being.

I love reading the Banned User Log.
 
+1 To all of the moderators that have posted thusfar. I for one have made massive mistakes in spelling but the mods have been quite leinient and I apreicieate it. (Excuse the spelling) 👍
 
Whether or not anyone is dyslexic is of no concern to myself or anyone on the moderation staff - everyone is welcome here regardless of any handicaps, disorders, or disabilities. However, it is still the responsibility of all GTPlanet users to ensure their posts remain within the bounds of the AUP, even if they must employ third-party assistance to do so. As such, no disorders or disabilities may be used to request exemption from the rules.

I would also like to reiterate, once again, that my grammar rules are in place to keep discussions as intelligent and mature as possible. If this makes you uncomfortable or angry, GTPlanet is probably not the best online community for you.
 
It's simple...
You are being welcomed into a social group. The social group has standards set. You need to follow those standards or find a new social group.
This all falls back to the sense of entitlement issue people have developed recently. You are in no way entitled to be a contributor to a private web forum, it is a privilege given to you by the site owners.

That is an elitist 'my way or the highway' attitude brought on by a 300 lb Gorilla mentality. You are simply saying 'We are the biggest website, so we do not have to consider people that may not speak English as a primary language.'

You should be ashamed...
 
That is an elitist 'my way or the highway' attitude brought on by a 300 lb Gorilla mentality. You are simply saying 'We are the biggest website, so we do not have to consider people that may not speak English as a primary language.'

You should be ashamed...


This should be proof enough that the liberal mindset displayed here is oppressive. Why should anyone be ashamed of running their website the way they wish? The owner isn't obligated in any way, shape, or form, to cater to those who don't speak English. Nor are those people ENTITLED to leniency due to their lack of fluency, or proper effort, or disability, or whatever it may be.

It's a privately owned forum, and the owner has the right to say "my way or the highway."

It obviously isn't that bad of a concept seeing as there's seldom less than 500 users online at a time.
 
This should be proof enough that the liberal mindset displayed here is oppressive. Why should anyone be ashamed of running their website the way they wish? The owner isn't obligated in any way, shape, or form, to cater to those who don't speak English. Nor are those people ENTITLED to leniency due to their lack of fluency, or proper effort, or disability, or whatever it may be.

It's a privately owned forum, and the owner has the right to say "my way or the highway."

It obviously isn't that bad of a concept seeing as there's seldom less than 500 users online at a time.


I rest my case, your honor...
 
That is an elitist 'my way or the highway' attitude brought on by a 300 lb Gorilla mentality. You are simply saying 'We are the biggest website, so we do not have to consider people that may not speak English as a primary language.'

You should be ashamed...

We don't cater to those who don't speak English? Well, I have news for you: It is for that very reason why we enforce the standards Jordan has set for his forum. I mean, dude, it really is a modest requirement. People that don't speak English can't decipher txt spk like native English-speakers take for granted that they can.

But that is beyond the point. The rules are here and they are clear. Now stop whining-- your bleeding heart is ruining the carpet.
 
We don't cater to those who don't speak English? Well, I have news for you: It is for that very reason why we enforce the standards Jordan has set for his forum. I mean, dude, it really is a modest requirement. People that don't speak English can't decipher txt spk like native English-speakers take for granted that they can.

But that is beyond the point. The rules are here and they are clear. Now stop whining-- your bleeding heart is ruining the carpet.

Wait, we have carpet now....? Awesome.....
 
Anybody who claims they have dyslexia - especially as an excuse to try and get out of trouble - will, in all likelihood, be banned. One of the conditions of the AUP is that "you will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate". Ergo, claiming that you are dyslexic when you are not is a violation of the AUP, and a serious one. Several members of the staff have experience in dealing with people who have dyslexia; I myself am a high school English teacher, for one. It is my experience that people who genuinely have dyslexia do not hide behind their condition. Rather, they actively work to countermand its effects. 95% of the posts I have seen from people claiming to be dyslexic exhibit no signs of dyslexia. Attempting to use this as an excuse because you are too lazy to put a bit of effort into your posts will be met with severe repercussions. Most likely you'll get some infraction points, if not a ban.

Not trying to start anything here, but you can't really prove whether someone actually has a disability or not, or at least get enough evidence to ban someone, can you?

As a long term member, I have all respect for the mods but everytime I come to this forum I see threads complaining about the grammar rule. The high amount of people complaining does suggest to me maybe that the mods are a bit harsh here. Again I'm not trying to start anything, but it does seem that a lot of people are complaining.
 
We don't cater to those who don't speak English? Well, I have news for you: It is for that very reason why we enforce the standards Jordan has set for his forum. I mean, dude, it really is a modest requirement. People that don't speak English can't decipher txt spk like native English-speakers take for granted that they can.

But that is beyond the point. The rules are here and they are clear. Now stop whining-- your bleeding heart is ruining the carpet.

Well far be it from me to argue with a man who likes Han Solo so much he will use him as his avatar. Perhaps I misunderstood the intention of the rule.

Han shot first!
 
The reason why so many members are complaing about being warned about grammer usage, is because society has allowed "text talk". There are many forums out there where you can use it, here is not.

Why cant people just accept the fact that these are the rules, and rules are not meant to be broken.
 
The reason why so many members are complaing about being warned about grammer usage, is because society has allowed "text talk". There are many forums out there where you can use it, here is not.

Why cant people just accept the fact that these are the rules, and rules are not meant to be broken.
I can understand text talk, but I've seen some instances where the warnings/"Read the AUP" posts were a bit much, sometimes to people who didn't spell a few words correctly, or didn't capitalize/put a period in a sentence, people usually from countries that don't speak English.
 
And most of the complaints are from people who come in here, try to post a zillion times a minute without putting any thought or work into their post, and throw up virtual middle fingers at moderators when they get a warning or a few points on their record.

I used to feel such rules were draconian, but after being here several years and seeing how enforcing the rule has kept the quality of the board above par, I quite agree with it.

And not because I'm a moderator. But because it genuinely makes it easier to read GTPlanet. Several other forums I'm on have had to adopt the same kind of rules, despite being more liberal at first, because it has become nearly impossible to sort through all the gibberish.

Like I've said elsewhere, if you want absolute freedom, there's always the Youtube comments section. That's a grim reminder of what a board can become when any kind of writing is allowed.

The grammar rule is actually great. If a user wants to contribute and has a positive attitude, then they respond in a positive manner to a warning or infraction (a lot have). If a user doesn't care to improve they respond with an insult alluding to our sexuality in relation to horses, and get a permanent ban.


That is an elitist 'my way or the highway' attitude brought on by a 300 lb Gorilla mentality. You are simply saying 'We are the biggest website, so we do not have to consider people that may not speak English as a primary language.'

You should be ashamed...

The funny thing is: We hardly have any problems with non-English speakers. The most we've had to do is ask them to not post entirely in their native language, because we cannot moderate non-English content.

Many of our most important contributors past and present are not native English speakers.

The group who has problems with the rules seem to consist entirely of people with locations in the USA and the UK. Sad, isn't it?

Having a grammar rule isn't "elitist". Yes, it may be difficult for dyslexics to type correctly, but if they take their time, they can.

Patience is a severely under-rated virtue. If you can't take the five to ten minutes to polish a posting so that it's perfectly readable, then it's not important enough to post.

Like 'ludes, I am an educator. Even better, I used to be a Special Ed teacher. And guess what works best for dyslexics? Practice, practice, practice. Actual dyslexics may complain about how long it takes, but they usually try their best to overcome their impairment.

They are not anxious to show it off to the world like many so-called "dyslexics" online. I've seen a few genuine ones here, but by-and-large, a lot of claims of "dyslexia" reek of an unwillingness to conform rather than an actual debilitating reading impairment.
 
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I rest my case, your honor...

Well far be it from me to argue with a man who likes Han Solo so much he will use him as his avatar. Perhaps I misunderstood the intention of the rule.

Han shot first!


I'm trying to determine whether or not you're a really bad troll, or 100% serious.

If troll: 2/10 Not original at all, but since you tried and took on the guise of a bleeding heart liberal wussbag, you get at least two.

If serious: You have some really far-out and vague "comebacks..." It's as if you have realized you lost the debate and refuse to accept it so subconsciously it makes you feel more successful to spew generic sardonic remarks as rebuttals.

How does liking Han Solo pertain to ANYTHING in this thread...? I'd at least lol a bit at a "yo mamma" comment instead.
 
And most of the complaints are from people who come in here, try to post a zillion times a minute without putting any thought or work into their post, and throw up virtual middle fingers at moderators when they get a warning or a few points on their record.

I used to feel such rules were draconian, but after being here several years and seeing how enforcing the rule has kept the quality of the board above par, I quite agree with it.

And not because I'm a moderator. But because it genuinely makes it easier to read GTPlanet. Several other forums I'm on have had to adopt the same kind of rules, despite being more liberal at first, because it has become nearly impossible to sort through all the gibberish.

Like I've said elsewhere, if you want absolute freedom, there's always the Youtube comments section. That's a grim reminder of what a board can become when any kind of writing is allowed.

The grammar rule is actually great. If a user wants to contribute and has a positive attitude, then they respond in a positive manner to a warning or infraction (a lot have). If a user doesn't care to improve they respond with an insult alluding to our sexuality in relation to horses, and get a permanent ban.
And as I said, there were "some times", not all or most, with it usually never escalating any further than the user apologizing, or explaining himself properly. 👍

99% of the time, I do agree with the rules.
 
Don't worry about him, VooDoo. If he still wants to continue, well, we have warnings and infractions in the wine cooler for that occasion.

Move Along.
 
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