Audi RS6 revealed

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Now all we need is the Commodore estate and we'll have some real good looking estates on the market. I'd love to see these replace SUVs in the future.

I'd love to the see drag race between the Commodore SS (?) estate, C63 AMG, RS6 advant, Magnum SRT-8, and the Volvo V70R. Mmmm that would be one awsome drag race.
 
:drool:-> The RS6 Avant is teh sex!! But too bad it won't release it here in the US again. :indiff:
 
Now all we need is the Commodore estate and we'll have some real good looking estates on the market. I'd love to see these replace SUVs in the future.

Hell yes!

Commodore Estate + HSV Tuning + Chevrolet LS7 = WINNAH!
 
I'd love to the see drag race between the Commodore SS (?) estate, C63 AMG, RS6 advant, Magnum SRT-8, and the Volvo V70R. Mmmm that would be one awsome drag race.
Not for the Volvo.




Anyways, I've asked it before and I will ask it again: Does Audi even want to sell the R8 at all?
 
That must be the most sexy Audi right after original Quattro and A/S/RS5 :drool:

with 40/60 power distribution it should be bit more fun to drive than the previous ones.. but I wonder how the weight distribution is in that car? after all, that twinturbo V10 is one big engine..

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never mind, it doesn't seem to have problems with fun stuff at all. :D
 
Awesome... just... awesome...

RE: automatic tranny? With six hundred ponies underfoot, I don't think I'd complain that much about not having to develop Schwarzenegger-sized calves to work the clutch... :lol:
 
Not for the Volvo.




Anyways, I've asked it before and I will ask it again: Does Audi even want to sell the R8 at all?

Audi cant build the R8 fast enough actually. Over a year long waiting list.

The turbos on this car are meant to be small high response ones similiar to how the 335i is setup, hence it *only* having 650nm of torque. But then again audi has supposedly underrated this engine.

The engine including all the plumbing for the cooling etc weighs in at 272kg. The M5 engine is 240kg isnt it?
 
That must be the most sexy Audi right after original Quattro and A/S/RS5 :drool:

with 40/60 power distribution it should be bit more fun to drive than the previous ones.. but I wonder how the weight distribution is in that car? after all, that twinturbo V10 is one big engine..

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never mind, it doesn't seem to have problems with fun stuff at all. :D


Jesus, the noise that thing makes is godly. And I thought the regular-ass RS4 sounded godly. :drool:
 
DWA
Meh... pass.

Really... ? Seriously... ? Really... ? Wow... You'd pass on this car just because it has what so many love to call a slush box? :rolleyes:

This RS6 looks amazing. I'd easily take this over any type of SUV or any other station wagon (yes, I still call it a station wagon). :sly:

I just don't see much, if anything, to dislike about this car. Maybe the worst thing I could think of is the economy... I doubt the car gets good MPG but who cares when you've got the money to buy something like this in the first place.

If the Merc station wagon is a beast, I'd have to say this is a beast killer. Auto tranny or not, this thing is going to be fast in ways few cars can ever hope to be (especially at that size and weight).

I'd have to say Audi really hit the nail on the head with this one. 👍
 
it'll murder, slice and dice M5 in acceleration and reliability.:sly:

You had me until reliability... :lol:

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Now lesseee... add two turbochargers to that... :lol:
 
You had me until reliability... :lol:

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Now lesseee... add two turbochargers to that... :lol:

What the 🤬
How that happened?
Oh my......🤬
If this ever happens to the RS6, then Audi better fire those engineers.....
 
What the 🤬
How that happened?
Oh my......🤬
If this ever happens to the RS6, then Audi better fire those engineers.....
Samething that happens to a few F430s. Exhausts get hot, somehow catch fire, and spread.

Really... ? Seriously... ? Really... ? Wow... You'd pass on this car just because it has what so many love to call a slush box? :rolleyes:
With 572 Horses, um, yeah. Look at cars with around 600 horses. Notice the ones with the autos (SLR) are the ones who are generally given the poorer reviews with that auto transmission listed as a reason.

I just don't see much, if anything, to dislike about this car. Maybe the worst thing I could think of is the economy... I doubt the car gets good MPG but who cares when you've got the money to buy something like this in the first place.
I can. It's overkill. BMW's running at 500 horses, Mercedes at 514 for the E63 Estate, and now this? Um, what's the deal? 550 horses, yeah, but 572? Is Audi trying to tell us something?

I'm not even bother going to read performance reviews as the car with 72 more horses is the one I'd expect to be quicker. Hopefully, BMW will still remain competitive through handling, and Merc. through insane acceleration.

I like the design, but 572 horses is just overkill. I recognize that Audi is trying to destroy competition, but they could have at least done it with handling instead of power. Adding nearly 100 horses over the opponents almost makes Audi look American. 👎

I'd have to say Audi really hit the nail on the head with this one. 👍
And hit the nail in the coffin to the R8. The R8 has had a year to acquire orders, and now this thing coming on to the market is going to hurt it.

The only thing stupider than releasing such a car with the R8 still young is pricing the RS6 in or near R8 territory.
 
And hit the nail in the coffin to the R8. The R8 has had a year to acquire orders, and now this thing coming on to the market is going to hurt it.

The only thing stupider than releasing such a car with the R8 still young is pricing the RS6 in or near R8 territory.

Do you expect people in the market for a 2 seater coupe to be the same for those looking for a large, family estate car?

I doubt the Cayenne took many sales from the 911.
 
Samething that happens to a few F430s. Exhausts get hot, somehow catch fire, and spread.

With 572 Horses, um, yeah. Look at cars with around 600 horses. Notice the ones with the autos (SLR) are the ones who are generally given the poorer reviews with that auto transmission listed as a reason.

I can. It's overkill. BMW's running at 500 horses, Mercedes at 514 for the E63 Estate, and now this? Um, what's the deal? 550 horses, yeah, but 572? Is Audi trying to tell us something?

I'm not even bother going to read performance reviews as the car with 72 more horses is the one I'd expect to be quicker. Hopefully, BMW will still remain competitive through handling, and Merc. through insane acceleration.

I like the design, but 572 horses is just overkill. I recognize that Audi is trying to destroy competition, but they could have at least done it with handling instead of power. Adding nearly 100 horses over the opponents almost makes Audi look American. 👎

And hit the nail in the coffin to the R8. The R8 has had a year to acquire orders, and now this thing coming on to the market is going to hurt it.

The only thing stupider than releasing such a car with the R8 still young is pricing the RS6 in or near R8 territory.

Overkill? Trying to tell us something? Simple fact is this: power is monotonic. More is better. Germany is locked in a massive horsepower battle that will only end legislatively. I was, in truth, surprised that the RS6 was developing less than 600bhp.

And what you need to remember is that Audi could have sold the entire production of the previous-gen RS6 twice over. There is massive demand for this thing, and as TheCracker says, that demand really isn't going to overlap with the R8. I also don't think it's going to overlap significantly with the M5, because the M5 is taking a 911-approach: measured power, great handling, whereas Audi are building another rocket sled with a big boot.

I really want one.
 
I agree with giles. 👍
Also, with regards to the auto... I just don't agree and must be reading into the situation too much since my conclusions regarding the dis-taste for this car based on an auto transmission leave me with thoughts I wouldn't call respectful.

I just don't think an auto transmission is a good reason for leaving negative comments regarding a car such as the RS6.
Cars like the SLR (from the given example) are excellent and being that I don't hold any magazine journalist above unreasonable bias, I'd have to say the criticisms of the SLR purely on the basis of using an auto are simply that- unreasonable bias.
Don't get me wrong, I know the joy of shifting for yourself but the fact is, these autos are not bad and certainly serve the task at hand with ease.

To put it as a metaphor... When you can't see the beauty of the forest because you are looking at one ugly (but healthy) tree, it is your own loss.

Auto transmission or not, I'd love to have a car like the RS6.
 
Same here. Audi RS-models have always had a soft spot within my heart. And that picture of destroyed R8 was actually the test mule with V10 if I recall right. But as far as Ingolstads engineers are concerned, problems will be beaten and Ferraris will have one more reason to keep checking their mirrors.
 
Yeah I think leonidae is correct. the pictures from above are actually of a test mule but one or two websites have it incorrectely listed as a production model. Either way there could be any numerous amounts to the cause of that fire. My Uncles car burnt down the other day, which firemen blamed on some furry ferret like animals which was hiding somewhere in the engine bay. Common apparently and like the car above this happened in german.

As for the horsepower. The audi is heavier than the competition mainly due to it having quattro, and because thats makes the car heavier they need more power, and because they need more power they needed a heavier and more durable gearbox, which then again means more power.

The power to weight ratio of this RS6 is actually slightly worse than its predecessor going by official figures!

With 572 Horses, um, yeah. Look at cars with around 600 horses. Notice the ones with the autos (SLR) are the ones who are generally given the poorer reviews with that auto transmission listed as a reason.

A manual is comming and its is sorta different to the SLR as this is a large luxury family vehicle. The SLR is not.
 
People still buy the M6, despite the M5 Touring being out.

Don't get me wrong, I know the joy of shifting for yourself but the fact is, these autos are not bad and certainly serve the task at hand with ease.

I've no doubt that it will be a terrific car regardless of the gearbox. But personally, I would struggle to live with a 572hp auto; it would be an absolute hoot, but every time it changed gear for me, just for the few milliseconds it takes to swap cogs, I would really, really hate it. "Power is nothing without control"; maybe, but I just couldn't stand the thought of a computer doing a bit of the driving for me. Must just be a control thing - I should be the one deciding what gear to be in, not some guy in an office 500 miles to the south east eating bratwurst.

I'd be interested to know how much it weighs, although regardless of that, it'll still be an absolute stunner.
 
Roo
People still buy the M6, despite the M5 Touring being out.



I've no doubt that it will be a terrific car regardless of the gearbox. But personally, I would struggle to live with a 572hp auto; it would be an absolute hoot, but every time it changed gear for me, just for the few milliseconds it takes to swap cogs, I would really, really hate it. "Power is nothing without control"; maybe, but I just couldn't stand the thought of a computer doing a bit of the driving for me. Must just be a control thing - I should be the one deciding what gear to be in, not some guy in an office 500 miles to the south east eating bratwurst.

I'd be interested to know how much it weighs, although regardless of that, it'll still be an absolute stunner.

I suppose you don't drive cars with ABS either? :sly:
My car doesn't have ABS and I've only locked the brakes a few times (all of which were either as I was going air-born or as I came to a very, very quick stop). :D :lol:

In any case, although I've never liked auto transmissions on turbo charged engines (I don't like calling them slushboxes since I've driven too many manual transmissions that would fill that role much better than some of the autos I've driven).

All in all, I doubt the transmission will do much to the sales of the vehicle.
 
I just don't think an auto transmission is a good reason for leaving negative comments regarding a car such as the RS6.
Cars like the SLR (from the given example) are excellent and being that I don't hold any magazine journalist above unreasonable bias, I'd have to say the criticisms of the SLR purely on the basis of using an auto are simply that- unreasonable bias.
Don't get me wrong, I know the joy of shifting for yourself but the fact is, these autos are not bad and certainly serve the task at hand with ease.

To put it as a metaphor... When you can't see the beauty of the forest because you are looking at one ugly (but healthy) tree, it is your own loss.

Auto transmission or not, I'd love to have a car like the RS6.

+rep Awsome post. An automatic transmission HAS a purpose. Family cars and people carriers in my opinion are the best place for an automatic. And the fact that so many people automatically (no pun intended) discredit cars JUST because they have an automatic are simply closed minded. Yes a manual transmission is fun--but there comes a point where I don't want to drive in rush hour traffic with a stick. I have no doubt that the RS6 advant will be a truely breathtaking car--automatic tranny or not.
 
Do you expect people in the market for a 2 seater coupe to be the same for those looking for a large, family estate car?

I doubt the Cayenne took many sales from the 911.
The Cayenne isn't marketed as a sports car. The R8 and RS6 are incredibly similar. One's a wagon, one's a coupe, yet both remain sports cars.

A manual is comming and its is sorta different to the SLR as this is a large luxury family vehicle. The SLR is not.
I used the SLR as an example.

I just don't think an auto transmission is a good reason for leaving negative comments regarding a car such as the RS6.
Cars like the SLR (from the given example) are excellent and being that I don't hold any magazine journalist above unreasonable bias, I'd have to say the criticisms of the SLR purely on the basis of using an auto are simply that- unreasonable bias.
Don't get me wrong, I know the joy of shifting for yourself but the fact is, these autos are not bad and certainly serve the task at hand with ease.
The automatic is not made a negative because it's being an automatic. It's a negative, because an Auto hurts performance times. The SLR has the potential to be faster than a Carrera GT. However, critics despise the car's transmissions because the Auto shifts when it wants to, not when the driver knows is best.

Overkill? Trying to tell us something? Simple fact is this: power is monotonic. More is better. Germany is locked in a massive horsepower battle that will only end legislatively. I was, in truth, surprised that the RS6 was developing less than 600bhp.
More is not better. That's the typical American manufacturer view. Throw 100 horses on it, slightly tweak it, and call it new. Thankfully, this Audi's got a bit of distance between the old RS6, but the thinking is slightly similar.

Germany is not locked in a massive horsepower battle because the Germans do not rely on power. They rely on suspension and braking technology. Look at every European sports car. Gallardo at 520, E63 AMG at 514, R8 at 420bhp, 911 Turbo at 480, F430 at 483, and the GT3 at 415Bhp.

Now, look at the RS6. 572horses. No one is that range because no needs to be. Most of the 600Hp cars are extremely high performance cars ranging in the $200,000-$500,000 range.
And what you need to remember is that Audi could have sold the entire production of the previous-gen RS6 twice over. There is massive demand for this thing.

No, what you need to remember is that Audi didn't have a car like the R8 for sale at the same time.

I gurantee you, if Audi prices the RS6 in R8 territory, they can kiss those orders goodbye because folks will see a car with more room and performance for the same cost.
Roo
People still buy the M6, despite the M5 Touring being out.
Big difference. The M5 Touring and the M6 run the same engine output leaving the deciding factor to be whether you want a wagon or a coupe, without getting major differences in performane.
The M6 and M5 Touring sit on an equal level.

The RS6 though with over a 100 horses more leaves you deciding if you really want the coupe, or the RS6 which will provide more of everything.
With the Audis, people will potentially lean towards the RS6 just because the performance will be better for, (assuming) the same price.
 
Don't get me wrong, I know the advantage to manual transmissions... However, don't forget that now-a-days the autos of high tech cars are actually putting up times as fast and faster than manuals.
It's only when you add turns and the chance of the moment that manuals really show the advantage.

None the less, to act as if an amazing car isn't worthy your ownership simply because it runs an auto is unreasonable (IMO).

Criticisms of that nature often come across to me in ways that seem petty. I often feel like criticisms of auto (especially in the case of amazing cars like the RS6 and SLR) are misplaced and to some extent unfounded.

Bottom line:
Some times the negative opinions of cars based simply on an auto transmission come across as more of a foolish, repeat what the critics say opinion more than a sound minded, well educated opinion.

Of course, that's just my opinion and what do I know? Heck, I drive a Toyota. :sly:
 
There's also another, pretty obvious answer why some manufacturers use Automatic instead of manual in their high-performance vehicles. in VAG's case they simply don't have a manual gearbox that could deal with the grunt of the V10.
 
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