Bad English Teacher, What do I do?

I just got it printed, put in a plastic cover page, and put in the first page of my English binder.

..say, would you like to come teach at my school? ...... seriously.
 
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As far as the Canadian curriculum, what interludes describes is the impression I get of how English is supposed to taught and marked here. However, it often doesn't turn out that way. In grade 9, I had a teacher who was more concerned with grammar, spelling, and sentence structure. I had a lot of trouble with her class, not because of how she marked, but because I didn't do much work. I still managed a 79, but that was far lower than my other grades.

In grade 10, I had a great English teacher. She marked almost exactly the way interludes described above. As long as you could support your opinions with facts, or lines from the text (Julius Caesar), you would do fine. She also graded spelling and grammar, but it made up less of the overall mark than the actual content of your writing. A combination of her teaching style, her personality (I got along very well with her), and me actually working hard in the class, meant I finished with a 96 that year.

Last year, I had a teacher who was in her first year teaching. She did all these odd new agey teaching methods, and basically turned English into drama class. I lost a lot of marks on my culminating assignment (a presentation to the class), because I didn't sing or dramatically read the song (we had to analyze lyrics). I finished with an 85, but it was frustrating, because I had high 90's on all the written assignments and the assignments that were actually English assignments, but lost marks for all the Drama class that she seemed to want to put in there.
 
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Also, can a teacher reduce marks if the student's answer does not match theirs, but it still validly answers the question? I had that happen on my English exam last year, I wrote a whole page and a half with a valid answer but got 0 out of the 4 marks.

What kind of question were you answering? If the answer is based on interpretation or opinion, then it should be correct no matter what your answer is. For example, if the question is "What is better, front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive?" and you answered "front-wheel drive," then is should be correct, just as it would be if you answered "rear-wheel drive" (provided that you accompanied the answer with a thorough explanation.) There is no "correct" answer for these types of questions. It all depends on how you look at it.

Chances are that you didn't back up your answer.

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Last year, I had a teacher who was in her first year teaching. She did all these odd new agey teaching methods, and basically turned English into drama class. I lost a lot of marks on my culminating assignment (a presentation to the class), because I didn't sing or dramatically read the song (we had to analyze lyrics). I finished with an 85, but it was frustrating, because I had high 90's on all the written assignments and the assignments that were actually English assignments, but lost marks for all the Drama class that she seemed to want to put in there.

My Mandarin teacher at school will make us do little skits to test how well our knowledge of the language is. I have no problem with that, but then she would also make us memorize lines, give marks for our costume and set, and give marks on whether we have an "interesting" plot or not. I mean, I'm supposed to be learning Mandarin. If I wanted to learn how to be a good actor, I'd take up drama. My point is that teachers often give out assignments that's not related to the subject, and that does make me mad because the fate of my English mark shouldn't be based on how well I can write the alphabet by power sliding a Lexus LFA.

I genuinely hate teachers who do that. If you ever happen to get her as a teacher again (or somebody similar), ask her "Are we here to learn English or are we here to learn ways to impress Simon Cowell?" (or if you can think of something wittier. :p)
 
One piece of advice that I may offer: familiarise yourself with the curriculum. Virtually no-one does it, but it will actually show you what you need to do. This is the one produced for Canadian schools. It will take me a while to download and interpret it, so I'll just show you the New South Wales one for secondary English. Pay particular attention to the Outcomes (page 13). Also, "Stage 4" refers to years seven and eight; "Stage 5" is years nine and ten. It's a bit of a tricky document because it's been written for each and every single stakeholder in the education process (parents, teachers, governments, etc.) without any input from the actual students, so it's very wordy and almost meaningless in places if you don't know what you're looking for (fortunately, we're getting a national syllabus soon, which will be much better-written).

Now, the Outcomes are effectively what students are expected to be able to do. Take a look at Outcome 5.4 - by the end of year ten, a student in New South Wales should be able to "select and use language forms and features and structures of texts according to different purposes, audiences and contexts and describes and explains their effects on meaning". Wordy, yes ... but this is exactly what you're doing by using QTE. When you are identifiying the forms, features and structures of the text, you are identifying the techniques used by the composer. When you are doing it for different purposes, audiences and contexts, you are doing it across a range of texts. And when you are describing and explaining their effects on meaning, you are identifying the effect under the QTE model.

So, try and get your hands on a Canadian syllabus. Find the section marked Outcomes, but bear in mind it might be known by a different name - Expectations or something similar. If you're having a little bit of trouble, ask your teacher which expectations correlate with the assessment task (if all students in your year do the same assessment task for a mandatory unit of work, the assessment must absolutely be written with these expectations or outcomes in mind). I'd also suggest doing it in private, because your classmates might find it a little bit odd.
One question however, when you explained the effect, is that basically the effect that quote had on the audience?
Yes. But be careful - you're not just explaining the effect of the quote, you're explaining the effect of the quote and the technique.

Also, can a teacher reduce marks if the student's answer does not match theirs, but it still validly answers the question?
They most certainly should not do that. The marker's personal response to the question should not be a factor in how they mark. If anything, it should actually get you more marks (provided you have done it properly) - if they disagree with your answer, your answer should persuade them. So, if you say "Romeo and Juliet are not in love" when the teacher believes that they are in love, your answer should contain an argument (with evidence under QTE) that persuades them. If they have marked you down simply because they disagree with your answer (rather than because you failed to answer the question), then they're seriously in the wrong.

I had that happen on my English exam last year, I wrote a whole page and a half with a valid answer but got 0 out of the 4 marks.
I can't really comment any further without seeing both the question and your response.

As far as the Canadian curriculum, what interludes describes is the impression I get of how English is supposed to taught and marked here. However, it often doesn't turn out that way. In grade 9, I had a teacher who was more concerned with grammar, spelling, and sentence structure. I had a lot of trouble with her class, not because of how she marked, but because I didn't do much work. I still managed a 79, but that was far lower than my other grades.
Like I explained, there is the technical and interpretive side of English. Your year nine teacher appears to have emphasised the technical aspects. Don't get me wrong, they're just as important as the interpretive stuff. However, I believe that students should be literate enough by year nine that the technical aspects of the subject are of secondary importance.

In grade 10, I had a great English teacher. She marked almost exactly the way interludes described above. As long as you could support your opinions with facts, or lines from the text (Julius Caesar), you would do fine. She also graded spelling and grammar, but it made up less of the overall mark than the actual content of your writing. A combination of her teaching style, her personality (I got along very well with her), and me actually working hard in the class, meant I finished with a 96 that year.
That's pretty much the way English should be taught. And it's the way I try and teach it.

Last year, I had a teacher who was in her first year teaching. She did all these odd new agey teaching methods, and basically turned English into drama class. I lost a lot of marks on my culminating assignment (a presentation to the class), because I didn't sing or dramatically read the song (we had to analyze lyrics). I finished with an 85, but it was frustrating, because I had high 90's on all the written assignments and the assignments that were actually English assignments, but lost marks for all the Drama class that she seemed to want to put in there.
The "new agey" stuff works, provided it is done properly. Teachers use a framework called Bloom's Taxonomy that divides tasks into six different categories depending on the skills required to successfully complete the task. They start with lower-order skills like knowledge and comprehension, before getting increasingly sophisticated, moving through application, analysis, synthesis and evaluation. Analysing lyrics would fall into the fourth order of the taxonomy, which is fairly sophisticated, but not the most challenging; it's described as "the ability to break down material into its component parts so that is organisational structure may be understood. This may mean the recongition of the relationships between or recognition of organisational principles involved". You can do that without singing or dramatically reading the text, unless the assignment specifically states that you must as a part of the rubric or the marking criteria.
 
Pay 'ludes to do your homework.

/solved.
 
The thing is, theres a rule about teachers and if you have them. You get to request to not or have teachers that you've already have had as a teacher. So that means that right after this semester is over, I WILL be heading over the guidance council and requesting her NOT to ever be my teacher again.

And that 0 out of 4 question was well backed up. I mean, how can anyone BS 1 1/2 pages about a short story? The only reason why I passed that exam (I got a 65% on it by the way) was because another teacher marked the first question and gave me a 9/10. ...and I thought my teacher last year was bad... (highest exam mark in the class was a 73%, I had the second best grade in the class...)
 
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I mean, how can anyone BS 1 1/2 pages about a short story?
Effectively. I've seen it before. I've done it before. Don't make the mistake of believing that quantity equals quality. I would have no problem giving someone who wrote one page full marks and a person who wrote three pages no marks if the first person answered the question properly and the second person did not.
 
Your English teacher sucks? I'm guessing you go to a public school.

I went to a Public School and 75% of my English Teachers were in there 50s-60s, and had been teaching teenagers who haven't paid attention to a thing they have said for 30 years.

Maybe the grass is greener on the other side, but if I was paying 20k a year to go to a private school, my parents probably wouldn't have put up with the crap that graces the public school system. Not saying that all are bad by any stretch, but honestly, I had a math teacher in Year 8 who use to write at a 45 degree downward angle, make us sit on the floor and listen to whale music, randomly walk out of class for 20 minutes at a time, and during lunch times you'd see him walking through the garden rather than down stairs, so he could avoid interacting with the students.

Surprisingly he was replaced next term. I dunno why.

He was also Canadian. Maybe we had the same Teacher :)
 
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Interludes
Ahh, I see, well the Ontario syllabus you have provided is the EXACT one that corresponds with my school and course (ENG2DO, and I reside in that province). I'm going to print it out (pages 70 - 84), read it and keep it in my binder; possibly in a place where my peers don't stare at me like a creep. I will use that syllabus as my course outline (I am actually more interested in such things, as it helps me understand the course better, even if it may be complicated to understand at first. They should give the student a student copy of these..)

Also, now I fully understand the QTE technique. I wish the teachers would be clear like that, and tell us what they expect. All the teachers have taught me is to respond to questions with the APE (answer, proof, explain/analyze) model...

I also think that teachers are not clearly explaining what would ACTUALLY get you 100%. They tell us that in order to get 100%, you write a 75% answer, make it grammatically perfect, add 1 more example and add a few more lines of analysis, using the APE method, which I was taught in grade 6.....

We need more people like Interludes over here...
 
The "new agey" stuff works, provided it is done properly. Teachers use a framework called Bloom's Taxonomy that divides tasks into six different categories depending on the skills required to successfully complete the task. They start with lower-order skills like knowledge and comprehension, before getting increasingly sophisticated, moving through application, analysis, synthesis and evaluation. Analysing lyrics would fall into the fourth order of the taxonomy, which is fairly sophisticated, but not the most challenging; it's described as "the ability to break down material into its component parts so that is organisational structure may be understood. This may mean the recongition of the relationships between or recognition of organisational principles involved". You can do that without singing or dramatically reading the text, unless the assignment specifically states that you must as a part of the rubric or the marking criteria.

We had to analyze lyrics to a song and present it "creatively", which to her meant singing or acting. I did very well on the assignment itself, but I lost a huge portion because I didn't sing, and showed the music video instead. It's inconsequential anyway, because I have the same English teacher again this year as I did in grade 10, so I expect I should be able to do well again, and my grade 12 marks are the most important for university applications anyway.
 
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Also, now I fully understand the QTE technique. I wish the teachers would be clear like that, and tell us what they expect. All the teachers have taught me is to respond to questions with the APE (answer, proof, explain/analyze) model...
APE sounds exactly the same as QTE. It just uses different terms.

I also think that teachers are not clearly explaining what would ACTUALLY get you 100%. They tell us that in order to get 100%, you write a 75% answer, make it grammatically perfect, add 1 more example and add a few more lines of analysis, using the APE method, which I was taught in grade 6.....
For 100%, you would need to show an understanding of the themes of the text. At least, that's how we do it here in Australia. For example, one of the units that Year 12 students in New South Wales can do is called "The Institution and Personal Experience" (it's not a particularly good unit - mostly because the precsribed text is very poorly-written - and so most teachers avoid it like the plague; however, I was stuck doing it in Year 12). What students need to do is read the text, Raw, and identify how the protagonist's experiences of an institution (in this case, a juvenile correctional facility) influence him. The then need to find an "Other Related Text" - a film, song, play, novel; whatever - that explores the theme of The Institution and Personal Experience and uses both texts to answer a question about said central theme. Using multiple texts (one of which is the student's own choosing) is designed to demonstrate their understanding of the core subject.

We had to analyze lyrics to a song and present it "creatively", which to her meant singing or acting. I did very well on the assignment itself, but I lost a huge portion because I didn't sing, and showed the music video instead.
Well, there wouldn't have been much that could have been done at the time. If the assignment stated that you had to present it "creatively", then you had to do just that. It's not a particuarly clever assessment ("present" falls under "application" on Bloom's Taxonomy, which is just in the range of mid-level thinking; when you're in Year 11, you should be synthesising and evaluating), but if that's what you were marked on, that's the way it had to be done. Of course, the problem is that English tasks are requently divided up among different means of presentation - a speech, an essay, etc. - to cater to students who might be weak under traditional areas ... but it can compromise people who aren't particularly good at other things, too.
 
Your English teacher sucks? I'm guessing you go to a public school.

I went to a Public School and 75% of my English Teachers were in there 50s-60s, and had been teaching teenagers who haven't paid attention to a thing they have said for 30 years.

Maybe the grass is greener on the other side, but if I was paying 20k a year to go to a private school, my parents probably wouldn't have put up with the crap that graces the public school system. Not saying that all are bad by any stretch, but honestly, I had a math teacher in Year 8 who use to write at a 45 degree downward angle, make us sit on the floor and listen to whale music, randomly walk out of class for 20 minutes at a time, and during lunch times you'd see him walking through the garden rather than down stairs, so he could avoid interacting with the students.

Surprisingly he was replaced next term. I dunno why.

He was also Canadian. Maybe we had the same Teacher :)

I graduated from one of those private academies, You would (likely) be surprised at the amount of crap people do deal with in them. The mathematics portion of our curriculum was almost non existent and the main focuses were on history, religion, and then literature. I do feel that I received a good education in those subjects but I would not recommend any of the private schools I have attended to anyone. I took three years of Spanish for nothing. I would have a hard time even ordering lunch in Spanish. :dunce:
 
My year 6 teacher scared me, so i can't see why you are complaining about a teacher that is strict.
 
Reading the comments on the link in the OP, it's not a question of whether she's strict - it's a question of whether she's competent.
 
I graduated from one of those private academies, You would (likely) be surprised at the amount of crap people do deal with in them. The mathematics portion of our curriculum was almost non existent and the main focuses were on history, religion, and then literature. I do feel that I received a good education in those subjects but I would not recommend any of the private schools I have attended to anyone. I took three years of Spanish for nothing. I would have a hard time even ordering lunch in Spanish. :dunce:

Talking about private schools, I knew a person who worked as a teacher in a local private school. He told me that he left after two years as he found it extremely challenging to balance the lessons between the exceedingly gifted children (apparently, they were talking about high level physics, Famine-level complexity to 12 years old) and the students that he felt was seriously struggling with the standard syllabus, either through not being motivated or having a slight mental impairness. He explained that even telling some parents about their child's problems was not the way forward due to some not actually listening. Also he felt that the Headteacher at the time was not supportive of the staff and did not allow resources to be allocated to help the weaker students (such as Special Education Needs departments and/or extra help through more material/teaching time).

Additionally, I worked in an international private school as well. Depending which private schools you go to, it is the same as state school. Their standard of teaching always varies a lot between subjects depending on the teachers themselves. Some would be totally fantastic with kids and really made them work hard through their own motivation. Others taught it more like a job that had relatively set hours (which with teaching, you never have set hours). However, the school was able to provide far more interesting trips and adventures for the kids to partake in and did provide a lot of interactive teaching methods that was highly useful for the students to progress their learning.

So, its basically dependent on where you go and who is the teacher and what happens during the school year. State schools are free but anyone can go to that. Private schools, while costing the parents money, can provide extra teaching equipments and opportunities for students to network to help them in the future. I feel with certain private schools, parents are paying for their children to network themselves into a good job for the future.
 
Talking about private schools, I knew a person who worked as a teacher in a local private school. He told me that he left after two years as he found it extremely challenging to balance the lessons between the exceedingly gifted children (apparently, they were talking about high level physics, Famine-level complexity to 12 years old) and the students that he felt was seriously struggling with the standard syllabus, either through not being motivated or having a slight mental impairness. He explained that even telling some parents about their child's problems was not the way forward due to some not actually listening. Also he felt that the Headteacher at the time was not supportive of the staff and did not allow resources to be allocated to help the weaker students (such as Special Education Needs departments and/or extra help through more material/teaching time).

Additionally, I worked in an international private school as well. Depending which private schools you go to, it is the same as state school. Their standard of teaching always varies a lot between subjects depending on the teachers themselves. Some would be totally fantastic with kids and really made them work hard through their own motivation. Others taught it more like a job that had relatively set hours (which with teaching, you never have set hours). However, the school was able to provide far more interesting trips and adventures for the kids to partake in and did provide a lot of interactive teaching methods that was highly useful for the students to progress their learning.

So, its basically dependent on where you go and who is the teacher and what happens during the school year. State schools are free but anyone can go to that. Private schools, while costing the parents money, can provide extra teaching equipments and opportunities for students to network to help them in the future. I feel with certain private schools, parents are paying for their children to network themselves into a good job for the future.

I agree, it largely depends on where you are attending as to what you get out of it. The private and public school systems here are held to different standards, so while there are still a few basic state proficiency exams that my school had, it's largely up for debate as how effective their teaching techniques are/were, but I certainly see what you are saying with the differing mental capacities affecting the group as a hole. My graduating class was only just over forty people, usually divided into the "smart" or "dumb" classes for each subject and I often felt like certain concepts in history and government classes were being dumbed down, despite being in the "smarter" class, due to disinterest by some of the more affluent students. Religion class was the worst for this. IMO, you nailed it with your comment about paying for networking. I was by no means one of the rich kids at school, but I had classes with the children of 2 US senators, high level bankers, and even an artist and big wig FBI agent. That really seemed like it was more the spirit of the school to me, to provide the environment for these people to know each other and make connections for future business instead of educating the students.
 
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And that 0 out of 4 question was well backed up. I mean, how can anyone BS 1 1/2 pages about a short story? The only reason why I passed that exam (I got a 65% on it by the way) was because another teacher marked the first question and gave me a 9/10. ...and I thought my teacher last year was bad... (highest exam mark in the class was a 73%, I had the second best grade in the class...)

Best of luck when you get older. I've had to do more than 1 1/2 pages on a short story, infact I did and entire essay on a 3 page short story, it's expected and if you've learned to interpret text properly it's entirely possible.

Interludes maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong but when teachers design tests I believe their target average mark is 65-70%? A class average of 73% is actually quite high.

This very much feels like a complaint thread because this is the first time your having to really work for marks.
 
Interestingly she's got a Finnish surname... :scared:

I had a horrible Swedish teacher for grades 7 to 9 and still got a 9 every year (our scale is 4-10 with 4 the worst). I myself believe it doesn't depend on the teacher whether you're able to succeed or not.
 
Everyone gets them, everyone deals with them. I'm in third year university now and it happens there too.

You know what they'd do at University? Tell you to deal with it, take your tuition and if you can't stand it your free to drop the course without refund. Might as well get used to it now.

Just because you get 90's in your other classes doesn't mean you will in English either.

Oh and your comment about "not that intelligent" kids at your school kind of hints at the fact this likely has nothing to do with the teacher and more likely an attitude problem.

In an university it's all on our responsibility to resolve which action to take or drop off the grade as it's a voluntary thing themselves to be enrolled in some classes programmed in an individual's timetable per day. Students who're willing to strive to learn a subject with eagerness are welcomed to continue their studies freely, yet those averse to being forced to abide at school have no need to go to school, without assurance of their (tuitional) credits can be earned conditioned for graduation.

The students' attitude toward lessons has much to do with the excellence/ignorance of students regardless whether our teacher is good or nonsense - chattering aloud or cutting during a class ends up offending their teacher and throwing opportunity into a waste.
 
Interestingly she's got a Finnish surname... :scared:

I had a horrible Swedish teacher for grades 7 to 9 and still got a 9 every year (our scale is 4-10 with 4 the worst). I myself believe it doesn't depend on the teacher whether you're able to succeed or not.

Well last year at my school. IT DID.

It's interesting how my class had the smartest students and worst teacher had the worst grades. My friend was in the class that did absolutely nothing. Hhhmmm, I'm curious how they all got fantastic scores. :grumpy:
 
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In an university it's all on our responsibility to resolve which action to take or drop off the grade as it's a voluntary thing themselves to be enrolled in some classes programmed in an individual's timetable per day. Students who're willing to strive to learn a subject with eagerness are welcomed to continue their studies freely, yet those averse to being forced to abide at school have no need to go to school, without assurance of their (tuitional) credits can be earned conditioned for graduation.

The students' attitude toward lessons has much to do with the excellence/ignorance of students regardless whether our teacher is good or nonsense - chattering aloud or cutting during a class ends up offending their teacher and throwing opportunity into a waste.

I'm sorry? Why'd you quote me? I'm saying you get bad teachers everywhere. I had a woman, incredibly nice, but didn't "teach" anything. She litterally read the text book word for word every class. The only form of teaching we ever got was the comments on assignments (which in university is what? Twice?) That's a bad teacher in the true meaning of the word. Luckily the tests were also taken word for word from the text so everybody did pretty well in the class in terms of marks. Don't ask what I learned though because it wasn't much.
 
I have boring teachers this year. The ones who aren't fun, but aren't strict either.

Last year I had an amazing time. Now it just feels like I'm depressed this year, except I'm not.
 
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Ahhhh English - what fond memories. We had to write a feature article once in yr10 and we could choose any subject to base it on, so I chose the Veyron. I packed it full of facts in a really streamlined format that was easy to read, and the stupid teacher blamed me for plagiarism! I went to see her about it and she said it had too many facts for me to know (er...I knew that argument would never stand up), she typed in one of the quotes I used and 'it came up with results on google' (er....we were asked to put in quotes) and then her final argument was that it far surpasses the level of my work. I calmly explained to her that I write much better when its on something I am passionate about and NOT about how Gilbert Grape's apron symbolises his duty and obligation to his small, left of centre country society (rar rar rar), and as for the facts - I told her she can ask me anything about the car and its figures and I shall answer perfectly fine without the help of my feature article. Result. 50/50. :D
 
Well, I met the teacher today, since it was the first day of school. She seems like a very nice and understanding person. Importantly. did not talk about any things about her style of grading. However, she DID state that she will allow re-writes on some assignments, only if the grade is around a 70 (I asked her about if there is a grade limit) and she said that if you got a 95 on the project, she'll be like "Come on, you serious?". Here are the two books we will be reading:

The Kite Runner (I have an advantage since I am Iranian and the cultures and language used in the book are quite similar)

Romeo and Juliet (Interludes made an example about them, which made me less nervous, so I'm chill with that.)
 
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