BC5 Rules - Final
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Max E.
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now that this is all over, i wanted to go on record with a few things.
as it seems always MUST happen, due to the goings on at the end of this comp, i have been painted as some vicious heartless animal but also as usual, this is not so.
first off, during the competition i had nothing bad to say to anybody and infact did nothing but congratulate the admin here, my teammates, and even racers from other boards on jobs well done. on top of that, there was a huge controversy in which many if not most participants acted pettyly (my teammates included), which i didn't even get involved in. this was mostly because i felt the dq was correct in assessing the penalty, but also figured in was the fact that in general, many people react to me very unfavorably regardless of what i say and i did not want to make it any worse, even if my points were valid. so i kept them to myself.
where the trouble initially started was when i was alerted that hugo boss posted some highly inflammatory remarks towards my team on another board. all i did there was respond in a pissed off manner just like anybody else would. how i am the villian for responding to a petty and unwarranted attack against my team and therefor myself i do not quite understand. if any of you saw somebody get punched in the face on the street, would you hold it against the guy if he kicked the ass of the guy who did it?? for me personally, the answer would be no.
with the veilside situation, there was a little more to it than the fact that the same old irritating, "i would have done better if i tried harder but i couldn't so that's why i didn't win" schtick irritated me. what many of you might not know is that this user has repeatedly on many occasions, attempted to intimidate me via pm's in every possible way and has REPEATEDLY threatened to murder me and my family in many different ways. again, i can not speak for everybody on the boards, but for me, somebody like that needs to be engaged whenever possible. when somebody is trying to scare me in a macho bs way, the only way i know to combat that is to show that person that i have no fear of them. one way to do that is to ridicule them publicly because after all, who would publicly embarrass somebody if they were afraid that person would murder his family. i will concede that perhaps this was not the time or place for it. but man, does anybody find that excuse he gave for not winning to be anything less than completely irritating?
anyway, to sum it all up. the only trouble i made during this comp was in defense of my team's honor and to show sombody trying to bully me and strike fear into me that they would have better luck getting jim morrison's autograph than to accomplish that mission.
i would have done nothing to take away from this comp and i enjoyed every moment of it until i was forced into a situation to get nasty with these people. what is sad and unjust is that i will be remembered as the one who tried to turn this comp ugly when quite a few drivers acted classlessy and petty for no other reason than their team was getting beaten in this competition. if everybody just needs me so they can point their finger and say "that's the bad guy", there honestly isn't much i can do about that. there never will be. what i can say with a clear conscience though is that i was pushed into what i did to hugo and veilside by THEIR actions, not the fact that i'm a racing psychopath.
of course everybody will likely repond to this as if they didn't read a word of it. there are lots of people who really really need me so that they can point their finger and say "that's the bad guy". well sorry folks, i'm not tony montana, nor do i think i am. i'm just a guy who doesn't like to take $hit off people who are just starting it because of their own petty insecurities. anyway, to the ears who are receptive to this, i say thank you very much. and to those that aren't i say nevermind all these bs reasons you come up with to stand against me whenever possible. what's the REAL reason you don't like me? i think for many of you it goes far beyond what i say and do. infact, it probably has a lot more to do with yoursleves than me. and as for my ego, i find it ironically humorous to see the names of some of those so quick to judge. i'd love to get along with everybody. contrary to popular opinion, i don't much like fighting with everybody. the only problem with that is that there's a lot of people out there with an axe to grind with me and again, i believe pretty firmly that it has every bit as much to do with their opinion of themselves as it does me.
later everybody. maybe next time we race we can ALL act a little bit more civilized and not just wake up the rankor monster then blame it for eating people.
as it seems always MUST happen, due to the goings on at the end of this comp, i have been painted as some vicious heartless animal but also as usual, this is not so.
first off, during the competition i had nothing bad to say to anybody and infact did nothing but congratulate the admin here, my teammates, and even racers from other boards on jobs well done. on top of that, there was a huge controversy in which many if not most participants acted pettyly (my teammates included), which i didn't even get involved in. this was mostly because i felt the dq was correct in assessing the penalty, but also figured in was the fact that in general, many people react to me very unfavorably regardless of what i say and i did not want to make it any worse, even if my points were valid. so i kept them to myself.
where the trouble initially started was when i was alerted that hugo boss posted some highly inflammatory remarks towards my team on another board. all i did there was respond in a pissed off manner just like anybody else would. how i am the villian for responding to a petty and unwarranted attack against my team and therefor myself i do not quite understand. if any of you saw somebody get punched in the face on the street, would you hold it against the guy if he kicked the ass of the guy who did it?? for me personally, the answer would be no.
with the veilside situation, there was a little more to it than the fact that the same old irritating, "i would have done better if i tried harder but i couldn't so that's why i didn't win" schtick irritated me. what many of you might not know is that this user has repeatedly on many occasions, attempted to intimidate me via pm's in every possible way and has REPEATEDLY threatened to murder me and my family in many different ways. again, i can not speak for everybody on the boards, but for me, somebody like that needs to be engaged whenever possible. when somebody is trying to scare me in a macho bs way, the only way i know to combat that is to show that person that i have no fear of them. one way to do that is to ridicule them publicly because after all, who would publicly embarrass somebody if they were afraid that person would murder his family. i will concede that perhaps this was not the time or place for it. but man, does anybody find that excuse he gave for not winning to be anything less than completely irritating?
anyway, to sum it all up. the only trouble i made during this comp was in defense of my team's honor and to show sombody trying to bully me and strike fear into me that they would have better luck getting jim morrison's autograph than to accomplish that mission.
i would have done nothing to take away from this comp and i enjoyed every moment of it until i was forced into a situation to get nasty with these people. what is sad and unjust is that i will be remembered as the one who tried to turn this comp ugly when quite a few drivers acted classlessy and petty for no other reason than their team was getting beaten in this competition. if everybody just needs me so they can point their finger and say "that's the bad guy", there honestly isn't much i can do about that. there never will be. what i can say with a clear conscience though is that i was pushed into what i did to hugo and veilside by THEIR actions, not the fact that i'm a racing psychopath.
of course everybody will likely repond to this as if they didn't read a word of it. there are lots of people who really really need me so that they can point their finger and say "that's the bad guy". well sorry folks, i'm not tony montana, nor do i think i am. i'm just a guy who doesn't like to take $hit off people who are just starting it because of their own petty insecurities. anyway, to the ears who are receptive to this, i say thank you very much. and to those that aren't i say nevermind all these bs reasons you come up with to stand against me whenever possible. what's the REAL reason you don't like me? i think for many of you it goes far beyond what i say and do. infact, it probably has a lot more to do with yoursleves than me. and as for my ego, i find it ironically humorous to see the names of some of those so quick to judge. i'd love to get along with everybody. contrary to popular opinion, i don't much like fighting with everybody. the only problem with that is that there's a lot of people out there with an axe to grind with me and again, i believe pretty firmly that it has every bit as much to do with their opinion of themselves as it does me.
later everybody. maybe next time we race we can ALL act a little bit more civilized and not just wake up the rankor monster then blame it for eating people.
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We all feel sorry for you, Max. We know you're a peaceful member and that you prefer not to show any agression towards any other members. Only sometimes it's just unavoidable...
What I notice though is that you're almost every time pointing the finger to somebody else. That's the wrong attitude and that's why I don't believe your stories. If you're that smart as you say you are, try to find out what point other people want to make with their posts or why they could have said something, instead of replying instantly and trying to intimidate people or convince everybody of your right.
I have to admit that some of my posts are uncarefuly formulated as English is not my first language, but it seems you're the only person making a problem of it. If you don't understand what I'm trying to say, just ask me to explain it again. I don't see why I should 'stab' my friend Rico and Tommy 'in the back'. My point was that if GTIRN easily would have won this year, we might see other boards attracting fast drivers from other boards to be able to compete with GTIRN. Or GTRP and GTN might combine forces to create a fast and an uber fast team. This will result in a bigger difference in strenght of the boards, making the BC less interesting.
For Veilside: he's got the capabilities to win, but he got 2nd. As most fast guys are perfectionalists, it's understandable he's unhappy with his performance and every thing that went wrong or prevented him from racing might come as an excuse. It's not the best attitude, but everybody reacts different. We've also got different cultures in this community what also plays a role. We've got to live with that wheter we like it or not.
Nobody is perfect here and everybody has got a different vision, so there's no need to point fingers everytime. I'll let it rest here.
What I notice though is that you're almost every time pointing the finger to somebody else. That's the wrong attitude and that's why I don't believe your stories. If you're that smart as you say you are, try to find out what point other people want to make with their posts or why they could have said something, instead of replying instantly and trying to intimidate people or convince everybody of your right.
I have to admit that some of my posts are uncarefuly formulated as English is not my first language, but it seems you're the only person making a problem of it. If you don't understand what I'm trying to say, just ask me to explain it again. I don't see why I should 'stab' my friend Rico and Tommy 'in the back'. My point was that if GTIRN easily would have won this year, we might see other boards attracting fast drivers from other boards to be able to compete with GTIRN. Or GTRP and GTN might combine forces to create a fast and an uber fast team. This will result in a bigger difference in strenght of the boards, making the BC less interesting.
For Veilside: he's got the capabilities to win, but he got 2nd. As most fast guys are perfectionalists, it's understandable he's unhappy with his performance and every thing that went wrong or prevented him from racing might come as an excuse. It's not the best attitude, but everybody reacts different. We've also got different cultures in this community what also plays a role. We've got to live with that wheter we like it or not.
Nobody is perfect here and everybody has got a different vision, so there's no need to point fingers everytime. I'll let it rest here.
Max E.
(Banned)
- 772
could somebody please paste in here the thread by hugo @ gtweb where he tries to downplay my team's performance as that of an "all-star" team in an obviously vicious way? i can not find it. i will let people here formulate their own opinion as too it's interpritation.
also, hugo, i'm not the only one who takes all those innocent innocuous things you say the wrong way believe me. i'm just the only one willing to take you on about it. now i know you and arwin have both gotten onto me about how i just hate your guts and take everything the wrong way but that's just not so, when this post of yours is pasted in here that much will be apparent.
i don't want or need anybody to feel sorry for me mate and i've never said i was smart, just handsome. please get your facts straight. all i want known here is that you are far from some innocent victim. what would have really been classy for you to do here would have been to apologize for what you did on web, not try and pretend it was some innocent thing. you're english is just fine my man and it's high time you stop wearing out that "english is your second language" rap. that post you just made was better english than half the people i talk to every day. and as far as you stabbing your "friend" rico in the back, why don;t we just ask HIM if he feels you stabbed him in the back? i will bet my left testicle he will say yes. if you were half the man you say you are, you wouldn't be trying to insult everybody's intelligence and pretend you didn't stab rico in the back. could we PLEASE just cut the bs man? please?? you always make these posts with no roots based on fact. it's like you just make it up as you go man. seriously, why can't you just apologize for your unwarranted and cruel attack? what purpose does cheering web on to beat our "all-star" team have other than to try and take away from our victory?? you saw how upset your "friend" rico was when VV from web insinuated it on planet and yet you go repeat it in an even more overtly mean way on web?? jeez man, that's no friend at all last time i checked. stop playing the innocent role, i don;t engage people for nothing mate, i just don't. and anyway, i'm still not quite sure what made oura an "all-star" team. all of those guys were together on the two boards rico was on and alot of them were on gtirn last bc. the only guys from other boards were iceman, who has very close ties to rico and me, who runs with a different team every time. i don't know why you couldn;t just be happy with your "friend" rico's team just doing well instead of trying to undermine it in a hurtful way.
i'll let it rest here.
also, hugo, i'm not the only one who takes all those innocent innocuous things you say the wrong way believe me. i'm just the only one willing to take you on about it. now i know you and arwin have both gotten onto me about how i just hate your guts and take everything the wrong way but that's just not so, when this post of yours is pasted in here that much will be apparent.
i don't want or need anybody to feel sorry for me mate and i've never said i was smart, just handsome. please get your facts straight. all i want known here is that you are far from some innocent victim. what would have really been classy for you to do here would have been to apologize for what you did on web, not try and pretend it was some innocent thing. you're english is just fine my man and it's high time you stop wearing out that "english is your second language" rap. that post you just made was better english than half the people i talk to every day. and as far as you stabbing your "friend" rico in the back, why don;t we just ask HIM if he feels you stabbed him in the back? i will bet my left testicle he will say yes. if you were half the man you say you are, you wouldn't be trying to insult everybody's intelligence and pretend you didn't stab rico in the back. could we PLEASE just cut the bs man? please?? you always make these posts with no roots based on fact. it's like you just make it up as you go man. seriously, why can't you just apologize for your unwarranted and cruel attack? what purpose does cheering web on to beat our "all-star" team have other than to try and take away from our victory?? you saw how upset your "friend" rico was when VV from web insinuated it on planet and yet you go repeat it in an even more overtly mean way on web?? jeez man, that's no friend at all last time i checked. stop playing the innocent role, i don;t engage people for nothing mate, i just don't. and anyway, i'm still not quite sure what made oura an "all-star" team. all of those guys were together on the two boards rico was on and alot of them were on gtirn last bc. the only guys from other boards were iceman, who has very close ties to rico and me, who runs with a different team every time. i don't know why you couldn;t just be happy with your "friend" rico's team just doing well instead of trying to undermine it in a hurtful way.
i'll let it rest here.
Max E.
(Banned)
- 772
Exerpt from hugo's post @ web:
"I spent about 6 hours on my lap. Could see a 1'36.4, but was still a bit rusty after some months of absence But I'm very happy with this win
And beat GTIRN, I don't want that 'all-star' team to win (devil face here)"
*please note that the devil face smiley on the end of the sentence clearly indicates that the sentence was indeed meant to be inflammatory*
i won't even get into how annoying the first part was where you moan about being rusty after you won by a second in your race. no, the part that bothers me is the second part. we were winning that comp because our team was strong and we raced our hearts out. then you, rico's "friend" come on and insinuate that the reason we are winning is because we are an "all-star" team, which is, ouf course, bull$hit. this is what pissed me off and rightfully so. if rico is so much your pal, why would you insult his team behind his back like this?? say what you want about me mate but atleast i'm up front with my hostility and don't take b!tchy little passive aggressive jabs at people on other boards. for anybody who can't see through the disguise of this statement, it happens to be VERY inflammatory. ask anybody from GTIRN.
anyway, not another word will come from me on these matters unless i'm forced to back up my statements regarding veilside and post pm's in here where he threatens to shoot me and my family in the head. the point is that i was content to just be a good boy as i was for 98% of this tournament until people forced my hand as usual. but if everybody wants to be blind to my explanations that's really ok as well. the world is no fun without villians in it to make people feel better about their own shortcomings
"I spent about 6 hours on my lap. Could see a 1'36.4, but was still a bit rusty after some months of absence But I'm very happy with this win
And beat GTIRN, I don't want that 'all-star' team to win (devil face here)"
*please note that the devil face smiley on the end of the sentence clearly indicates that the sentence was indeed meant to be inflammatory*
i won't even get into how annoying the first part was where you moan about being rusty after you won by a second in your race. no, the part that bothers me is the second part. we were winning that comp because our team was strong and we raced our hearts out. then you, rico's "friend" come on and insinuate that the reason we are winning is because we are an "all-star" team, which is, ouf course, bull$hit. this is what pissed me off and rightfully so. if rico is so much your pal, why would you insult his team behind his back like this?? say what you want about me mate but atleast i'm up front with my hostility and don't take b!tchy little passive aggressive jabs at people on other boards. for anybody who can't see through the disguise of this statement, it happens to be VERY inflammatory. ask anybody from GTIRN.
anyway, not another word will come from me on these matters unless i'm forced to back up my statements regarding veilside and post pm's in here where he threatens to shoot me and my family in the head. the point is that i was content to just be a good boy as i was for 98% of this tournament until people forced my hand as usual. but if everybody wants to be blind to my explanations that's really ok as well. the world is no fun without villians in it to make people feel better about their own shortcomings
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- The Netherlands
- GTP_Undutchable
I already discussed my opinion with Rico before you even read my post @Web and posted about my 'assault' here on Planet. I said my thing, he told me his opinion. We're cool. You don't have to agree about all things when you're friends. I know Rico's checking all forums, so if I wouldn't want Rico to read it I simply wouldn't have posted that on GTWeb.
As far as the use of the devil face smiley concerned, I suggest you read some more posts on Web. It's not that agressive as you're implying it to be. I apologize to everybody who felt offended by my post. My motivation for this 'assault' is given in my previous post in this thread. You can agree or disagree.
Talking about getting your facts straight: My post on Web was made before VV insinuated about GTIRN here on Planet. So I can't see how I repeated him.
While you're pointing your finger to Arwin (who isn't even part of this discussion, so I see no need to mention him in your post), YOU were the one that was trying to screw us (Arwin & myself) in GTD3. That's why we're on your back and that's where it started. If you had apologized at that time, things would have been fine. I'm not implying that I'm an innocent victim, I could have decided to ignore you as well. Which I didn't. I just want to hold you a mirror. Not only to show you how handsome you might be, but that you're not always right either. Everybody has shortcomings; I have them, and you have them too.
If we ain't done, I suggest we better handle this further via pm. We could also ask for a separate Hugo vs Max section.
Cheers, Max!
As far as the use of the devil face smiley concerned, I suggest you read some more posts on Web. It's not that agressive as you're implying it to be. I apologize to everybody who felt offended by my post. My motivation for this 'assault' is given in my previous post in this thread. You can agree or disagree.
Talking about getting your facts straight: My post on Web was made before VV insinuated about GTIRN here on Planet. So I can't see how I repeated him.
While you're pointing your finger to Arwin (who isn't even part of this discussion, so I see no need to mention him in your post), YOU were the one that was trying to screw us (Arwin & myself) in GTD3. That's why we're on your back and that's where it started. If you had apologized at that time, things would have been fine. I'm not implying that I'm an innocent victim, I could have decided to ignore you as well. Which I didn't. I just want to hold you a mirror. Not only to show you how handsome you might be, but that you're not always right either. Everybody has shortcomings; I have them, and you have them too.
If we ain't done, I suggest we better handle this further via pm. We could also ask for a separate Hugo vs Max section.
Cheers, Max!
Max E.
(Banned)
- 772
again, no matter how much you try to pretend what you did at web was nothing, ALL of my teammates were outraged that you would say something that offensive. and by the way, i also have said things an apologized to my friends about it afterwards. if you apologized to everybody on my team for your lapse of judgement, i would have accepted that apology and said nothing . bottom line, if you didn;t decide to be a petty little girl like that, nothing would have been said by me. you only have yourself to blame for my foot in your ass.
another thing i find very interesting is how both you and arwin always act like innocent victims and yet in your above post you freely admit that you and arwin are "on my back" and grinding some old ax
sounds like you're not quite the angels you pretend to be.
as far as the GTD3 incident, could you please link me to it?? frankly i've forgotten all about it but since you came out like i did something so terrible that it inspired you both you both gang up on me forever (remind me to change my shorts by the way), please show us what exactly that was. i'm curious to see how it started. if i was wrong to do whatever it is that i did, i'll apologize. but if it was you and arwin doing that annoying little b!tch passive agressive thing you always do to get me started, i'll explain to everybody how your little game works.
another thing i find very interesting is how both you and arwin always act like innocent victims and yet in your above post you freely admit that you and arwin are "on my back" and grinding some old ax
sounds like you're not quite the angels you pretend to be.as far as the GTD3 incident, could you please link me to it?? frankly i've forgotten all about it but since you came out like i did something so terrible that it inspired you both you both gang up on me forever (remind me to change my shorts by the way), please show us what exactly that was. i'm curious to see how it started. if i was wrong to do whatever it is that i did, i'll apologize. but if it was you and arwin doing that annoying little b!tch passive agressive thing you always do to get me started, i'll explain to everybody how your little game works.
Max E.
(Banned)
- 772
aside from all that nonsense, i want to re-iterate what my original point was:
i was doing fine minding my business and having a good time with my team until i was provoked.
seriously though hugo, let's have a look at this thread you're talking about. the one where little innocent arwin and you both decide to get on my back (in a non-gay way i hope :S )
i was doing fine minding my business and having a good time with my team until i was provoked.
seriously though hugo, let's have a look at this thread you're talking about. the one where little innocent arwin and you both decide to get on my back (in a non-gay way i hope :S )
Sphinx
Staff Emeritus
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That's it Max, Let's all play the game of Let's Dig It All Up Again! 
So what if Hugo was happy to beat your team in his race, so what if Hugo called your team all-stars and so bloody what if Hugo didn't want your team to win the BC.
Hey! guess what Max, almost everyone I spoke to before and during the BC also didn't want your team to win, myself included.
It was almost uncanny how so many felt the same, it wasn't as if they were seen as a GTWeb who are always winning for example, i could understand it if that were the case, but it wasn't.
So if it wasn't the team then perhaps it was someone within the team that so many disliked enough for not wanting your team to win. 💡
So what if Hugo was happy to beat your team in his race, so what if Hugo called your team all-stars and so bloody what if Hugo didn't want your team to win the BC.
Hey! guess what Max, almost everyone I spoke to before and during the BC also didn't want your team to win, myself included.
It was almost uncanny how so many felt the same, it wasn't as if they were seen as a GTWeb who are always winning for example, i could understand it if that were the case, but it wasn't.
So if it wasn't the team then perhaps it was someone within the team that so many disliked enough for not wanting your team to win. 💡
Max E.
(Banned)
- 772
SphinxThat's it Max, Let's all play the game of Let's Dig It All Up Again!
and jerry, if you'll put your blind rage and petty vendetta aside, you will see that it was hugo who brought the past up and not me. just like all ignorant bigots, your furious anger blinds you to the facts of the matter. all i suggested was that since hugo made reference to some time i got him and arwin on my back forever, i wanted to see the event, mostly because i'm sure it will show they did something to aggitate me first just like you do all the time.
Max E.
(Banned)
- 772
ahhh, i see how it is, jerry comes in and makes a vicious, unwarranted attack against me out of nowhere and when i return fire, my post is deleted. that's hardly fair. hmm, maybe my language was bad or something. i'll write out an abridged version that's a little more civilized in that case.
jerry, the fact that you and all of the other insecure little nothings on the boards would like to see my team lose simply because i'm on it does nothing but make you look like the little people you are. when i get after people, it is because they have attacked and insulted me as you did here. i posted in here to make it clear that the only reason i said anything was because people provoked me just like they always do before i get on them.
it seems that i'm the axis on which your world turns seeing as how everytime i post something, you're there out of nowhere to egg me on. please find somebody else to worship mate. i know it's probably just that you are a sorry old man who lived a repressed life and seeing a free person such as myself who you never had the courage to be just drives you crazy. i can't help that though man, those are your demons not mine.
and to everybody else i'll say, please do not provoke me and i won't have a single bad thing to say to you. for every instance that you can say i was mean or an ass, i can show you how i was provoked beforehand.
now in this post i didn't say a bunch of curses or bypass the swear filter,etc. all i did was respond to a heartless and vicious attack by somebody not involved in the current conversation. if somebody DOES want to delete this post, please have the curteousy to delete jerry's post as well. under the circumstances, i have the right to repond to an attack like that.
jerry, the fact that you and all of the other insecure little nothings on the boards would like to see my team lose simply because i'm on it does nothing but make you look like the little people you are. when i get after people, it is because they have attacked and insulted me as you did here. i posted in here to make it clear that the only reason i said anything was because people provoked me just like they always do before i get on them.
it seems that i'm the axis on which your world turns seeing as how everytime i post something, you're there out of nowhere to egg me on. please find somebody else to worship mate. i know it's probably just that you are a sorry old man who lived a repressed life and seeing a free person such as myself who you never had the courage to be just drives you crazy. i can't help that though man, those are your demons not mine.
and to everybody else i'll say, please do not provoke me and i won't have a single bad thing to say to you. for every instance that you can say i was mean or an ass, i can show you how i was provoked beforehand.
now in this post i didn't say a bunch of curses or bypass the swear filter,etc. all i did was respond to a heartless and vicious attack by somebody not involved in the current conversation. if somebody DOES want to delete this post, please have the curteousy to delete jerry's post as well. under the circumstances, i have the right to repond to an attack like that.
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- Midlantic Area
- GTP_Duke
For the record, Max, I certainly didn't delete anything at all from this thread, and as far as I know I'm the only staff member paying attention to this.Max E.
Now, can we all get over getting provoked, and provoking others, and move on?
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