Ben Affleck's The Batman (Up 1: Matt Reeves as Director)Movies 

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Ben Affleck's solo Batman movie which is titled "The Batman" and is rumored to have Deathstroke I feel deserves it's own thread.

And the news so far is Ben is no longer directing it, Matt Reeves is rumored to be in discussion to direct.

New rumors though suggest WB are restarting on the script and that Ben wants out, what a 🤬 show.

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...He must've had seriously crappy time shooting the Justice League movie. :odd:

Him abandoning the role of The Bats, though? Hmm. I dunno, man. It's not a stretch to assume that every kid growing up wishes to don The Dark Knight's costume at least once. I'm guessing it's the same with Ben.

But if he wishes to abandon ship, does that mean the long-term plans Geoff and his team laid out aren't good enough? I mean, more than likely Ben has seen the roadmap for sure. Hell, he probably had quite an input too.

Should I take this as the ominous sign of impending Apocalypse?! :sick:
 
JKgo
does that mean the long-term plans Geoff and his team laid out aren't good enough?
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What long-term plans? If Suicide Squad taught us anything, the DC Expanded Universe is being written by a creative team with the focus of an overstimulated Golden Retriever.
 
Good. Put it out of its misery. That Justice League photo is the worst. DC have no direction with their characters.
 
JKgo
You know, the one about battling the 13-movie strong MCU for the crown of The Superhero Shared Universe thingy.
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That has to have set a new record in "lowest stakes for a battle to the death" category.
 
The only way they can save this is, tell the story of Robin(or Nightwing or whatever) taking over the Bat Cave. Joker escaping prison and the ensuing battle.
Batman coming back to confront the Joker after Robin's death.

Then, fill the last half of the movie with Deathstroke.

It needs to be done in the style of the Nolan films.
 
05XR8
The only way they can save this is
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Is to forget about the idea of an expanded universe altogether. It's been nothing but a mangled, incoherent mess from the outset, a knee-jerk reaction to Marvel's success.

By all means, expand the roster of individual superheroes, but keep them contained within their own films. Maybe have a cameo alluding to the existence of other heroes - Clark Kent at a Wayne Industries press conference, for instance - but separate them out.

05XR8
Batman coming back to confront the Joker after Robin's death.
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I would be more inclined to kill Bruce Wayne off and try to deal with a new character assuming the role of Batman. Everyone from Dick Grayson to Jean-Paul Valley to Jim Gordon has done it. Sure, Wayne has always returned in the end, but killing him would offer the opportunity for an exploration of interesting themes and the chance to go in a different direction without upsetting the continuity too much.

05XR8
Joker escaping prison and the ensuing battle.
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They can't always come back to the Joker. He's a force to be reckoned with, but there's a risk he's get stale quickly.
 
...Oh joy, more bad news. :irked:

I think a part of the reason for all the troubles is DC and Warner's insistence on getting a name director to work on their movies. Marvel, with an exception of Kenneth Branagh, largely went for relatively inexperienced and unknown directors for their stuff and it all worked out fine. So why all the fuss about hiring someone with pedigree? Look what that got us with the Green Lantern, the Superman Returns and the Suicide Squad. Oh, and Man of Steel/BvS as well. Can't forget that Snyder is a big shot in Hollywood....

Get someone with little-to-no big budget experience and make sure the guy follows the vision of the planned universe closely - how hard can that be?! Marvel's done it, surely DC can, too.

I guess it all depends on the Wonder Woman film now. If that ends up being underwhelming, then might as well, reboot the whole thing. After the Justice League movie, obviously. Can't waste all 'em footage already in the can, right?
 
sems4arsenal
Problem is WB seem to want a lot of creative control that no director would play ball with them.
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They need a much greater degree of creative control if they're making a series of films that tell a broader narrative. Marvel have Joss Whedon running around behind the scenes making sure all of the puzzle pieces fit together properly, but DC don't have anything like that.
 
prisonermonkeys
They need a much greater degree of creative control if they're making a series of films that tell a broader narrative.
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...What he said.

We have Kevin Feige keeping a tight leash on all things MCU and its multiple phases. I want to believe that Geoff Johns is doing something similar on DC's side but all the negative news certainly makes you wonder whether he knows what he's doing or not.

Oh, and before I forget....

 
prisonermonkeys
They need a much greater degree of creative control if they're making a series of films that tell a broader narrative. Marvel have Joss Whedon running around behind the scenes making sure all of the puzzle pieces fit together properly, but DC don't have anything like that.
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They have Geoff Johnes.
 
prisonermonkeys
He's evidently not doing a particularly good job.
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...Well, Geoff has a very limited experience in the world of cinema, unlike Feige.

I'm not defending him, though. Just that, maybe it was not the.... best choice for Warner to pick a man more known for comic book writing duties rather than shepherding complicated film productions.
 
JKgo
Just that, maybe it was not the.... best choice for Warner to pick a man more known for comic book writing duties rather than shepherding complicated film productions.
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I think it's more a case of DC rushing to catch up with Marvel and not really thinking things through.
 
JKgo
Get someone with little-to-no big budget experience and make sure the guy follows the vision of the planned universe closely - how hard can that be?! Marvel's done it, surely DC can, too.
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First you need a plan.

prisonermonkeys
They need a much greater degree of creative control if they're making a series of films that tell a broader narrative. Marvel have Joss Whedon running around behind the scenes making sure all of the puzzle pieces fit together properly, but DC don't have anything like that.
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This the same Joss who said he was done with the MCU back in January 2016, right?

http://www.slashfilm.com/joss-whedon-marvel-cinematic-universe/
 
UKMikey
First you need a plan.
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...You make it sound like they don't have one, which, on the face of all the poor showing, is a fair assessment, I guess.

But it's hard to believe DC and Warner didn't have mapped-out plans that span a dozen years and movies.

I'd like to think that they had a plan, they thought it was a good one, but all of that went to hell in a handbasket the moment BvS and Suicide Squad came off as an unbridled collective mess they were.

But, it can't be beyond rescue now - that point will come after WW and the JLA movies drop. Provided, of course, they are as bad as the ones that preceded them.
 
Their plan should've been to make good movies. Their TV shows and cartoons are generally a lot better.
 
....:lol:

Nope, their plan was to make crap-ton of $$$. They probably hoped for a quality film or two to emerge out of the treadmill along the cash-grabbing process, but alas.
 
prisonermonkeys
The very same. Because you can bet that everything up to the end of Infinity Wars was planned out by then.
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I wouldn't bet that it was planned out by him. Phase 2 maybe, but not the period you describe.

JKgo
....:lol:

Nope, their plan was to make crap-ton of $$$. They probably hoped for a quality film or two to emerge out of the treadmill along the cash-grabbing process, but alas.
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It really shows.

Comparing the two franchises is like comparing art-led comics like early Image and DC's New52 to writer-led lines like Vertigo. Marvel's story-led movies may not look as fabulous as some parts of BvS but at least their plots usually go somewhere.
 
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Some updates (positive ones):

Matt Reeves is now going to direct and produce the project with Battfleck staying, some good news at last.
 
Reeves is an excellent director. He's arguably got the hardest job in the DCEU, though: the last Batman movies were actually good.
 
Probably a good thing. Between Gone Baby Gone, The Town and Argo, Affleck was a talented director. But with Live By Night, it became apparent that he can only really direct one film over and over again.

UKMikey
Marvel's story-led movies may not look as fabulous as some parts of BvS but at least their plots usually go somewhere.
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There is a story in Batman vs. Superman, but it's drowned out in the spectacle of a director with a short attention span and compounded by poor casting choices.
 
prisonermonkeys
Probably a good thing. Between Gone Baby Gone, The Town and Argo, Affleck was a talented director. But with Live By Night, it became apparent that he can only really direct one film over and over again.


There is a story in Batman vs. Superman, but it's drowned out in the spectacle of a director with a short attention span and compounded by poor casting choices.
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He made Live By Night? Does it have Lehane's ending?

I don't pay much attention to movies these days.
 

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