Best car for 500 and 550pp?

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TRL_Andromeda
You are asking for the fastest car at 500PP and 550PP.

There is a definite answer to this, and it's not based on any opinion, its facts. They are as follows:

Roadcar 500PP: Suzuki GSX-R/4 regardless of what track you're on.
Roadcar 550PP: Honda NSX-R prototype LM road car or Suzuki GSX-R/4 depending on what track you're on.
Racecar 500PP: Opera Performance S2000 or Toyota TS030 depending on what track you're on.
Racecar 550PP: Toyota TS030 or Chaparral 2J depending on what track you're on.
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The Suzuki doesnt stand a chance on high speed tracks such as Monza or La Sarthe, no matter the PP. And its a concept car anyway, I would not classify a car as "road car" uness it was actually produced and sold to the public, road legal.
Same for NSX-R LM Prototype, not road legal, only concept.

If you are talking purely about road legal cars, in 500 PP the best would be probably the Lotus Elise 111R and the Ferrari Dino? Many of the best cars for PP are concepts and prototypes, such as the Toyota FT concept 09, 011, Mazda RX500, Mazda RX8 concept, Dome Zero, Spirra, Miura, ZZII...

In 550PP... In twisty tracks, KTMs are great. In high speed tracks the Spyker is almost unbeatable at 550PP or similar.

For race cars, at 500PP, the Citroen Xsara Rally car, and at 550PP the Calibra Super Touring Car, both really really fast aswell.
Also at 500PP the Ferrari 250 GTO (at high speed tracks) if you consider it a race car (it was actually both road and race car, one of those rare cases of that era)


MidFieldMaven
What about the KTM X-Bow R detuned to 550 PP?
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FinalLevel
I keep hearing how good the KTM's are. I'll give it a go.
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Beast cars. A bit hard to find the perfect tune setting, and can be hard to drive sometimes, but crazy fun, tons of grip and beastly cornering speed.
 
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NixxxoN
The Suzuki doesnt stand a chance on high speed corners such as Monza or La Sarthe, no matter the PP. And its a concept car anyway, I would not classify a car as "road car" uness it was actually produced and sold to the public, and street legal.
Same for NSX-R LM Prototype, not road legal, only concept.

If you are talking purely abut road legal cars, in 500 PP the best would be probably the Ferrari Dino.
In 550PP, maybe... the miura? But again, its technically a prototype.
In high speed tracks the Spyker is almost unbeatable at 550PP or similar.

At 500PP the Citroen Xsara Rally car, and at 550PP the Calibra Touring Car, both really really fast aswell.
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I forgot about the Spyker, I love that car. It's actually good in corners if you can get rid of the ridiculous oversteer.
 
FinalLevel
I forgot about the Spyker, I love that car. It's actually good in corners if you can get rid of the ridiculous oversteer.
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By oversteer you mean throttle oversteer? Because otherwise it understeers. Its handling is not very good in general, but of course it can be improved with tuning.
But then, once you're in a straight, it flies past "normal" cars.
PP system is so flawed and some cars are so unbalanced its ridiculous.
 
NixxxoN
The Suzuki doesnt stand a chance on high speed corners such as Monza or La Sarthe, no matter the PP. And its a concept car anyway, I would not classify a car as "road car" uness it was actually produced and sold to the public, and street legal.
Same for NSX-R LM Prototype, not road legal, only concept.

If you are talking purely abut road legal cars, in 500 PP the best would be probably the Ferrari Dino.
In 550PP, maybe... the miura? But again, its technically a prototype.
In high speed tracks the Spyker is almost unbeatable at 550PP or similar.

At 500PP the Citroen Xsara Rally car, and at 550PP the Calibra Touring Car, both really really fast aswell.
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I have spent many hours in an RS at the Nurburgring and have run against all the cars mentioned many times....the Focus at 550pp and tuned/driven correctly can best them all...I give up a lot in wheel spin....but make it up in the corners....
 
Killerbee2U
I have spent many hours in an RS at the Nurburgring and have run against all the cars mentioned many times....the Focus at 550pp and tuned/driven correctly can best them all...I give up a lot in wheel spin....but make it up in the corners....
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Yeah, the Focus RS is ridiculous, but Im not sure if its that good without SRF. I know that with SRF its a complete "cheat car", even my grandmother could win in that car and he has never played any videogame.
Also, like most FF cars, it suffers a lot with tyre wear turned on, as front tires go away quickly and rear tyres dont, so you end up geting massive understeer.
 
NixxxoN
The Suzuki doesnt stand a chance on high speed tracks such as Monza or La Sarthe, no matter the PP. And its a concept car anyway, I would not classify a car as "road car" uness it was actually produced and sold to the public, road legal.
Same for NSX-R LM Prototype, not road legal, only concept.

If you are talking purely about road legal cars, in 500 PP the best would be probably the Lotus Elise 111R and the Ferrari Dino? Many of the best cars for PP are concepts and prototypes, such as the Toyota FT concept 09, 011, Mazda RX500, Mazda RX8 concept, Dome Zero, Spirra, Miura,

In 550PP... In twisty tracks, KTMs are great. In high speed tracks the Spyker is almost unbeatable at 550PP or similar.

For race cars, at 500PP, the Citroen Xsara Rally car, and at 550PP the Calibra Super Touring Car, both really really fast aswell.
Also at 500PP the Ferrari 250 GTO (at high speed tracks) if you consider it a race car (it was actually both road and race car, one of those rare cases of that era)




Beast cars. A bit hard to find the perfect tune setting, and can be hard to drive sometimes, but crazy fun, tons of grip and beastly cornering speed.
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I'm going by what the game concider "road car"

And although the cars you mentioned are good, they will not beat GSX-R/4, NSX-R, S2000, TS030, and 2J
The Suzuki is faster than you think in a straight line, it will win at sarthe aswell, you are free to test it out and see for yourself. I'm not going to spend time arguing with someone who refuses to see the obvious.
 
NixxxoN
Yeah, the Focus RS is ridiculous, but Im not sure if its that good without SRF. I know that with SRF its a complete "cheat car", even my grandmother could win in that car and he has never played any videogame.
Also, like most FF cars, it suffers a lot with tyre wear turned on, as front tires go away quickly and rear tyres dont, so you end up geting massive understeer.
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Your Granny is quick....I will spot you 50 pp to level things outs...LOL
 
NixxxoN
By oversteer you mean throttle oversteer? Because otherwise it understeers. Its handling is not very good in general, but of course it can be improved with tuning.
But then, once you're in a straight, it flies past "normal" cars.
PP system is so flawed and some cars are so unbalanced its ridiculous.
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In pp races I always see that one guy who has the car that is slow as a slug and he has the same pp as everyone else.
 
TRL_Andromeda
I'm going by what the game concider "road car"

And although the cars you mentioned are good, they will not beat GSX-R/4, NSX-R, S2000, TS030, and 2J
The Suzuki is faster than you think in a straight line, it will win at sarthe aswell, you are free to test it out and see for yourself. I'm not going to spend time arguing with someone who refuses to see the obvious.
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Ah, okay so you have the absolute scientific truth then?
I'll test right now what you said, I'll try the Suzuki, 500PP at Monza and la Sarthe, vs other cars. I'll post results in a bit.
 
FinalLevel
In pp races I always see that one guy who has the car that is slow as a slug and he has the same pp as everyone else.
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Yep, some cars are way too fast, and some others are way too slow. Try the tank car for example, hopelessly slow vs other cars of the same PP.
 
I have the game on and running...Nurburgring....the room will be set to 555pp...no NOS...prefer street cars but that is up to you folks...
 
NixxxoN
Ah, okay so you have the absolute scientific truth then?
I'll test right now what you said, I'll try the Suzuki, 500PP at Monza and la Sarthe, vs other cars. I'll post results in a bit.
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Remember you need ballast, at 500PP 200kg, at 550PP I think its 130kg, but cant remember exactley, this car wants power rather than low weight.

Also, look at seasonal events history and you'll see what I'm on about.
 
@TRL_Andromeda

La Sarthe 500PP
Suzuki 3:45
Dome Zero 3:35

10 seconds faster ;)

TRL_Andromeda
Remember you need ballast, at 500PP 200kg, at 550PP I think its 130kg, but cant remember exactley, this car wants power rather than low weight.

Also, look at seasonal events history and you'll see what I'm on about.
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I know I know.
 
TRL_Andromeda
Purely down to your driving.

What's the room, I'll join you! :)
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:lol: yeah right.

I didnt set up a room, it was in free roam. Try it for youself! But please, dont cheat yourself.

La sarthe (no chicanes), both cars at maximum power and using ballast to adjust them a 500PP.

The Dome Zero reaches about 350 km/h, with only 358hp... it is ridiculous, I know, but thats how it is.
The Suzuki only a little more than 300 km/h, which is actually impressive aswell considering it only has 267hp
 
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Ed_Night
Would be interesting what influence the tires have. I think the gap between the cars will be smaller on CS tires than on RS tires.
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Yes, of course... Lightweight cars with great grip and great handling like the Suzuki GSX-R/4 dont suffer much with the cheap/bad tires. It actually has similar grip levels as of a race car, and its very easy to drive aswell. Its way too good, and unless the track has many straights it will win easily at 500PP.
 
Sarthe with no chicanes has many straights and the Dome has not much more weight than the
GSX-R, so you didn't really answer by question.
 
NixxxoN
:lol: yeah right.

I didnt set up a room, it was in free roam. Try it for youself! But please, dont cheat yourself.

La sarthe (no chicanes), both cars at maximum power and using ballast to adjust them a 500PP.

The Dome Zero reaches about 350 km/h, with only 358hp... it is ridiculous, I know, but thats how it is.
The Suzuki only a little more than 300 km/h-
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Dome Zero: 3:32
Suzuki GSX-R/4: 3:36

In this instance, the Gixxer gained 1.5 seconds in the first part, then lost a whole 7 seconds on the long straight, and then lost another second up to indianapolis, but after that it gained 2.5 seconds back in the porche curves and final chicanes.

So when taken to the extremes, yes, you where right there are cars that can beat the GSX-R/4, however, slap on a set of normal tyres (SH), and the gixxer would come out on top, or choose a normal track, and again, the gixxer would come out on top.
 
TRL_Andromeda
Dome Zero: 3:32
Suzuki GSX-R/4: 3:36

In this instance, the Gixxer gained 1.5 seconds in the first part, then lost a whole 7 seconds on the long straight, and then lost another second up to indianapolis, but after that it gained 2.5 seconds back in the porche curves and final chicanes.

So when taken to the extremes, yes, you where right there are cars that can beat the GSX-R/4, however, slap on a set of normal tyres (SH), and the gixxer would come out on top, or choose a normal track, and again, the gixxer would come out on top.
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Your laptime differences are much smaller. I guess you have a great setup for the suzuki and not a very good one for the Dome? The Dome is worse than the Suzuki on corners but not THAT bad, its still quick, low center of gravity and stuff.

But yes, the Suzuki is a truely cheat car anyway, it has race car grip without racing car drag so its still quite fast on the straights. Why PD consider it a normal car, I can't understand, and it completely destroys a fair competition in the seasonals that can take part of.
 
NixxxoN
Your laptime differences are much smaller. I guess you have a great setup for the suzuki and not a very good one for the Dome? The Dome is worse than the Suzuki on corners but not THAT bad, its still quick, low center of gravity and stuff.
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I have a good suzuki setup, but I did not use it, as it is not apliciable when runnig on RS tyres (becomes understeered)
I used generic setups for both cars, the difference is most likely that the Suzuki is very difficult to drive, and as I have experience with it, I have an easier time getting the full potential out of it.

Maybe its you who have a great setup for the DOME? :)

Also, SRF OFF!
 
TRL_Andromeda
I have a good suzuki setup, but I did not use it, as it is not apliciable when runnig on RS tyres (becomes understeered)
I used generic setups for both cars, the difference is most likely that the Suzuki is very difficult to drive, and as I have experience with it, I have an easier time getting the full potential out of it.

Maybe its you who have a great setup for the DOME? :)

Also, SRF OFF!
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You must be joking, its a very predictable and nimble car, with tons of grip... I have lots of experience with it to, and with the Dome aswell.

With both cars I had my own setup only to make the car suit my driving style, I never use any of those amazing setups that you can find out there made by tuners.
 

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