Best cars per pp level

[quattpequatt]

Can we compile a list of best cars per pp level?

Example:

500 pp:
Berlinette rs
Yellowbird ruf

I'd like the best cars in the following pp's

450
500
550
600
650
650+

Much appreciated!

 

[goukipau]

Define best please??!

 

[strela]

best stock,tuned,race car?

best race cars:

450pp ... Stratos Rally Car
500pp ... R5 Turbo Rallye
550pp-650pp ... Caparall 2J
+650pp .... X2011

 

[quattpequatt]

Alrighty did not think to sub divide them, let's say best in that pp range sub diving race cars and road cars, so both preferably and by best I mean having an edge. For example in the 500 pp range , the berlinetta rs had 500 pp 308 hp @ 860 kg as opposed to let's say a lotus v8 esprit at 500 pp with 350 hp and 1200 kg, some cars have an edge or advantage in certain pp's for some reason they have the best power to weight ratio, but even also best can also be interpreted as generally better performing per pp range

 

[subsist]

Just say what you really want. You want an OP car you can go online with and use little to no skill to win races.

Close?

 

[ace004]

For online tire differences make a huge difference too. Some cars (mainly fwd) can be beasts once you equip them with RS tires but the same cars will be slow with SS or below.

 

[subsist]

For online tire differences make a huge difference too. Some cars (mainly fwd) can be beasts once you equip them with RS tires but the same cars will be slow with SS or below.

Yes, RS tires are horrible on any street car though. I do not know why people race 500pp street with RS on. Might as well swap out the car chassis for a bogie and put it on a railway track for all the good it makes the car feel.

I dunno, I just don't find it fun racing NFS style with a 500pp street car glued to the track like it is on a rail.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just say what you really want. You want an OP car you can go online with and use little to no skill to win races.
Close?

You must be a mind reader. As far as I know it still takes skill to drive fast cars just as it does slow cars.

 

[subsist]

You must be a mind reader. As far as I know it still takes skill to drive fast cars just as it does slow cars.

Yes, that is true, but one must admit there is a selection of cars in each PP range that blow away nearly every other car on the track. There are at least 4 cars in each range that is significantly easier to drive and win with.

You don't have to agree with me, but the facts are there when you see the same cars take off in each race and get a 5 second lead within the first 3 corners.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes, that is true, but one must admit there is a selection of cars in each PP range that blow away nearly every other car on the track. There are at least 4 cars in each range that is significantly easier to drive and win with.

You don't have to agree with me, but the facts are there when you see the same cars take off in each race and get a 5 second lead within the first 3 corners.

It is true. But why disparage the OP's motives in trying to prove your point? And if that's what the OP is looking for, so what? It's his game, he can play however he wants to.

 

[subsist]

It is true. But why disparage the OP's motives in trying to prove your point? And if that's what the OP is looking for, so what? It's his game, he can play however he wants to.

It is true. But why disparage the OP's motives in trying to prove your point? And if that's what the OP is looking for, so what? It's his game, he can play however he wants to.

I was not disparaging anything. He asked a question, he seemed to be tip-toe'ing around the real motives, as it looked to me and I asked him just to say what he wants.

There is nothing wrong with just asking "Which cars do you think are the fastest and easiest to win with in each PP range", no need to actually tip-toe around the real fundamental question at hand, I drive those cars online myself to get an easy win if I feel like it.

I never said he cannot play the game how he wants to, now you are just putting words in my mouth and using a strawman argument to try to "prove your point" now.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I was not disparaging anything. He asked a question, he seemed to be tip-toe'ing around the real motives, as it looked to me and I asked him just to say what he wants.

There is nothing wrong with just asking "Which cars do you think are the fastest and easiest to win with in each PP range", no need to actually tip-toe around the real fundamental question at hand, I drive those cars online myself to get an easy win if I feel like it.

I never said he cannot play the game how he wants to, now you are just putting words in my mouth and using a strawman argument to try to "prove your point" now.

He said what he wants, the best cars at each PP level. Why even bring up the question of his motives? Why is that your any of your concern? Why do you feel the need you to expose whether he's tiptoeing around something?

Toyota FT-86 Concept 09' 7:36 at the 'Ring offline on SH

 

[subsist]

He said what he wants, the best cars at each PP level. Why even bring up the question of his motives? Why is that your any of your concern? Why do you feel the need you to expose whether he's tiptoeing around something?

Toyota FT-86 Concept 09' 7:36 at the 'Ring offline on SH

Why do you feel the need to come in and say what you are saying. How is it any of your concern? Why do you feel the need to come in here and expose me?

The "best cars" in each PP range is also a very subjective question. I am assuming he means which is the fastest and gives an advantage in online racing. I just wanted the original question to be clearer so the proper answer can be given. If asked which cars in a PP range has a clear advantage in online racing, that is a question very easily answered.

Any way, this is just turning into a childish back and forth with nothing to do with the topic at hand. I am going to step out now, good day sir.

 

[quattpequatt]

Why is there so much drama on these forums....

Stick to the topic please, and since the motive seems so important to some *cough* it's about being competitive, and recognizing these cars when others pick them, so I could also have a chance at winning. It's my first gt game since playstation "1" seems like people who have played the last iterations know which cars perform best or have the best power to weight ration in each pp range. When you join a 500pp room and 4 people are using rx500's and your there trying to compete with a m3 or lotus Elise 111r lets just say the race becomes pointless rather quickly. Now that every one can stop making assumptions, can we start compiling this list? You know like help each other? Like what a forums is supposed to accomplish in the first place?

 

[Z1-AV69]

Why is there so much drama on these forums....

Stick to the topic please, and since the motive seems so important to some *cough* it's about being competitive, and recognizing these cars when others pick them, so I could also have a chance at winning. It's my first gt game since playstation "1" seems like people who have played the last iterations know which cars perform best or have the best power to weight ration in each pp range. When you join a 500pp room and 4 people are using rx500's and your there trying to compete with a m3 or lotus Elise 111r lets just say the race becomes pointless rather quickly. Now that every one can stop making assumptions, can we start compiling this list? You know like help each other? Like what a forums is supposed to accomplish in the first place?

I'd like such a list too. But so far I couldn't really tell. My impression at the current age of the game is: the drivers make a much bigger difference than the cars.

I'd want such a list mainly as feedback on how good the PP-system is with heavily optimized setups and very competitive drivers. No doubt it has big flaws, but such a list might give a better idea of what those flaws actually are.

I think best would be a list of the best laptime per car in a race on a popular track you have seen online from anyone. Be it yours or someone else, no names wanted, just the time. The list sorted by PP, tyres etc.. It should cover the most popular categories. I'd surely contribute, but not be the responsible first poster.

 

[quattpequatt]

It's so hard to get dedicated serious people to work on a project like this. This list would be very useful to many, I like the fore mentioned ideas you have shared and I would gladly participate. This would be very useful for tuners also, as it would allow us to gauge wether a tune does make the car reach it's max potential or not, a general guide of "best cars" per pp would be awesome

 

[Johnnypenso]

Here's a link to my Google Docs Laptime Spreadsheet containing the lap times of 450PP cars I've tuned on SH. All times are online with tire wear on.

 

[Gentoo64]

I'ts hard to say absolute best cars, maybe over time it will be more clear. For e.g in 450PP most people were using Elise 111R, I went online on Deep Forest (this was months ago) and some others were in the Elise, I was driving an MX-5 flawless, neck on neck with an Elise 111R, I overtook him and thought I had 1st place, and little did I know (until the last minute when I saw the map) some Brazilian guy was racing in an MG TF160 and cained us all with about a 20 second lead and shocked everyone lol.

Back then I bought the TF160 and realised how much it owned Same with 500PP there are some seriously fast cars: Ferrari Dino, Elise, Focus RS, Civics, Integras, Mazda RX500, Honda HSC, I thought I'd seen most of them then someone owned the hell out of all of us in a Dome Zero.

At the end of the day there are quite a lot of fast cars, some more suited to some tracks than others, some might dominate on twisty tracks like Autumn Ring, some might be good on medium like Deep Forest, other on tracks like Nordschleife.

A lot of cars from the 60's and 70's are very fast because they are very lightweight, have good acceleration and lots of oversteer, and normally have low PP for how good they are, as well as they are normally aerodynamic.

This is mostly all on RS tyres racing online, but of course they will still be extremely fast on any tyres, but SS and SH does open it up a bit more and give some cars more of a chance, giving even lesser cars more of a chance as consistency plays a bigger part of the race.

If only there were official in game leaderboards it would be much easier to see exactly what cars dominated at what PP on what tracks, and how I would love to try and rank up on that, like back in the Forza 2 days, tweaking, hotlapping non stop. GT feels more like a driving around game at the moment, than a competitive racing game. We have the seasonals but they are nothing, there are no proper structured leaderboards on any track / car you like, online most people want to cruise / race mixed PP / race on RS, sometimes allowing SRF, it's a random mess. There's no thing like what Forza had where it was basically "look, it's a class B race, just race" best lap would be put on a global leaderboard and races were consistent. Everyone could clearly see what assists you use, and what PP your car was.