Best in Class - Episode 2: Turbo Titans - Video posted!

XDesperado67
Classic Supercars like AC/Shelby Cobra, Ferrarri 512BB, Lamborghini Contouch 25th anniversary, RUF Yellowbird. Might be a couple others as well...:D
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Corvette Stingray
Lambo Miura
Jensen Interceptor (?)
Alfa Giulia TZ2 (?)
:D
 
trackripper123
Corvette Stingray
Lambo Miura
Jensen Interceptor (?)
Alfa Giulia TZ2 (?)
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Unless I'm mistaken isn't the Miura just the concept name for the Contouch?
Definitely agree with the Corvette and Jensen though.👍👍
 
Nope, the Miura was the Miura (1967?), the Countach came a few years later (1974) :)

And Jag E-Type? Does it have enough grunt to compete with the others? :D
 
I don't know if you guys would be interested, but I've always wanted to do a piece on lightweight 2-seater sports cars where you compare the old classics to the modern successors, both spiritual and literal. For example, let's say sub-2000cc RWD classics against sub-2000cc FWD (or RWD) modern cars where you'd have the big-name Brits and Italians from back in the day squaring off against the likes of the Miata and the Civic! An article like that would be a lot of fun to read!

Some cars you could include might be:
'73 Alpine A110
'63-'66 Alfa Romeo Giulia (Speciale, GTA, Duetto, pick your poison)
'64 Ginetta G4
'62 Lotus Elan
'89 Mazda Miata (imagine a Miata vs Elan article, that alone would be a spectacular read)
'68 Nissan Fairlady 2000
'67/'70 Nissan Skyline (everyone loves the KPGC10 but the S54 needs some love from this forum)
'67 Toyota 2000GT

You could do so much inside that concept like S800 vs S2000, Elan vs Miata, S54/KPGC10/KPGC110 vs R32/33/34/new GT-R, 110S (Cosmo) vs RX-7, Europa vs Elise, there's just a nearly endless realm of old vs new battles that would be great fun to do (and read/watch).

You could even have a dirt-based showdown of cars like the A110, Stratos, Lancer 1600, Bluebird 510/910, etc go up against the likes of the WRX, Lancer Evolution, and Focus RS; a war between philosophies featuring new technological wizardry going up against puritan driving feel and experience! I'd reread that once a week!

Also, if you guys ever want to do one of those "interview with the expert" segments and the current topic is American muscle cars, then I'd be more than happy to lend my expertise and chat about them. I grew up around them, I've torn them down, I've rebuilt them, I've driven/raced them, I could write books at this point about my love and passion for the old Detroit iron I grew up with (things like a '67 Corvette 427, a '70 Chevelle SS 454, or even that '67 GTO 4-speed sitting in my garage right now). I'm mediocre with Mopar, Ford I'm pretty good, and if it's Chevy or Pontiac then I know my stuff pretty good. Myself and much of my family has been in the hot rod culture since the Ford Flathead ruled the streets, I have a lot of knowledge and resources that has become long-forgotten by today's world and I'd really enjoy being able to help out with anything related to Detroit's golden years!
 
Enzo_Guy
I don't know if you guys would be interested, but I've always wanted to do a piece on lightweight 2-seater sports cars where you compare the old classics to the modern successors, both spiritual and literal. For example, let's say sub-2000cc RWD classics against sub-2000cc FWD (or RWD) modern cars where you'd have the big-name Brits and Italians from back in the day squaring off against the likes of the Miata and the Civic! An article like that would be a lot of fun to read!

Some cars you could include might be:
'73 Alpine A110
'63-'66 Alfa Romeo Giulia (Speciale, GTA, Duetto, pick your poison)
'64 Ginetta G4
'62 Lotus Elan
'89 Mazda Miata (imagine a Miata vs Elan article, that alone would be a spectacular read)
'68 Nissan Fairlady 2000
'67/'70 Nissan Skyline (everyone loves the KPGC10 but the S54 needs some love from this forum)
'67 Toyota 2000GT

You could do so much inside that concept like S800 vs S2000, Elan vs Miata, S54/KPGC10/KPGC110 vs R32/33/34/new GT-R, 110S (Cosmo) vs RX-7, Europa vs Elise, there's just a nearly endless realm of old vs new battles that would be great fun to do (and read/watch).

You could even have a dirt-based showdown of cars like the A110, Stratos, Lancer 1600, Bluebird 510/910, etc go up against the likes of the WRX, Lancer Evolution, and Focus RS; a war between philosophies featuring new technological wizardry going up against puritan driving feel and experience! I'd reread that once a week!

Also, if you guys ever want to do one of those "interview with the expert" segments and the current topic is American muscle cars, then I'd be more than happy to lend my expertise and chat about them. I grew up around them, I've torn them down, I've rebuilt them, I've driven/raced them, I could write books at this point about my love and passion for the old Detroit iron I grew up with (things like a '67 Corvette 427, a '70 Chevelle SS 454, or even that '67 GTO 4-speed sitting in my garage right now). I'm mediocre with Mopar, Ford I'm pretty good, and if it's Chevy or Pontiac then I know my stuff pretty good. Myself and much of my family has been in the hot rod culture since the Ford Flathead ruled the streets, I have a lot of knowledge and resources that has become long-forgotten by today's world and I'd really enjoy being able to help out with anything related to Detroit's golden years!
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Some how I had missed this post of yours! Sorry about that, anyway. Welcome to the team! :P I'll add you up on PSN later today.

I want to get testing for the first episode today if we can get the team together. I believe the first episode is going to be along the lines of "entry level sport cars" But can't be sure as of yet!
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
Some how I had missed this post of yours! Sorry about that, anyway. Welcome to the team! :P I'll add you up on PSN later today.

I want to get testing for the first episode today if we can get the team together. I believe the first episode is going to be along the lines of "entry level sport cars" But can't be sure as of yet!
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Sounds good, I'm up to about 1500 cars and don't give a rat's about any of this 0 miles and 0 switches junk. My modest collection is 100% open if you guys need a car.

Oh, and entry-level sports cars, classics, and other general toaster-shape piles of junk are my favorites so I've got plenty to pick from!
 
Enzo_Guy
Sounds good, I'm up to about 1500 cars and don't give a rat's about any of this 0 miles and 0 switches junk. My modest collection is 100% open if you guys need a car.

Oh, and entry-level sports cars, classics, and other general toaster-shape piles of junk are my favorites so I've got plenty to pick from!
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Hahaha, 1500!! Holy..
& Thanks man sounds good.
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
Hahaha, 1500!! Holy..
& Thanks man sounds good.
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Yeah, less than 100 of them are actual racecars. There's at least one stock copy of nearly every standard street-legal car model in the game sitting in my garage. I need a life...

I don't have the ability to record but I have some experience in video editing and a properly tooled-up Mac, let me know if you need any video work as well. I need to find an old cable box so I can Macjack it, then I could record too.

Shoot me a message on PSN whenever you guys get going, I should be on all night (off work tomorrow).
 
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Modern vs. Classic: Muscle Edition

Camaro SS '10 vs. Camaro Z28 '69
Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium vs. Mustang Mach 1 '71
Challenger SRT8 vs. Challenger R/T

Have all your staple competitions plus a hot lap competition at Daytona Road Course, Indy Road Course and Laguna Seca
 
Jahgee1124
Modern vs. Classic: Muscle Edition

Camaro SS '10 vs. Camaro Z28 '69
Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium vs. Mustang Mach 1 '71
Challenger SRT8 vs. Challenger R/T

Have all your staple competitions plus a hot lap competition at Daytona Road Course, Indy Road Course and Laguna Seca
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Very cool idea. Never considered putting the oldies with the modern muscle..
Noted* ;)
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
Very cool idea. Never considered putting the oldies with the modern muscle..
Noted* ;)
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There is the elephant in the room: without a large amount of preparations and a lot of documentation on every single one, I wouldn't wipe my *** with the paper that comparison is printed on and the result would be as reliable as Bill Clinton with an intern. This is my area of expertise and that expertise is very extensive, but you're going to have to put in the elbow grease or else you waste everyone's time by giving them pure BS.

Find your the '54 Corvette and take a look at the stock gear ratios, the real car had a Powerglide and only came with one final drive ratio. That means it's a 2-speed transmission leaving 3 ratios altogether: a 2.00/1.00 trans and 4.00 final. When I saw it I looked in awe at the amount of sucking at life necessary to pull this off. Powerglides came with a first gear ratio of either 1.82 or 1.76, I'm 99.9% sure the Corvette was 1.82 but I'll check my C1 restoration manuals later. Either way those are the only Powerglide ratios, there was NEVER a 2.00 first gear installed on ANY CAR EVER MADE WITH A POWERGLIDE! Brace yourself, the final drive ratio should be 3.55 and THE ONLY POSSIBLE REAR RATIO!

I decided to see how rare this information was and searched "1954 Corvette axle ratio" both "Powerglide ratios" on google, both times the very first site gave the correct numbers. Considering even the very top page of a google search hits the right numbers both times, where the **** did these wrong ones come from? THEY MANAGED TO MESS UP A CAR WITH ONLY 3 GEARS BECAUSE THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF USING GOOGLE!

Polyphony Digital managed to royally FUBAR quite a few muscle cars, I've never counted because I just get pissed off and want to go Hiroshima Round Two for obviously putting so little effort into them. The majority of the power figures are based on factory figures so far off that people laughed when the cars were new (this is wher I can help quite a bit)! Then there's stuff like the '69 Camaro SS having the wrong transmission, and do you know how '69 Camaros came with 3.89 gears? The answer is every single one made by Ford!👍 The 3.89 gears are a Ford ratio, GM never put any 3.89 gears in any 12-bolt. Go google "Chevy 3.89 axle" and let me know how that works out.

I'm sorry, I'm sure half of you need extensive psychiatric therapy now. Try and call the "reverse suspension settings" guys crazy while looking at that '54 Corvette, only 3 gears and 2 are wrong. I used to think Polyphony Digital couldn't possibly be THAT dumb, I'm not taking sides but there's no way I can argue PD's assumed intelligence after that.
 
Enzo_Guy
There is the elephant in the room: without a large amount of preparations and a lot of documentation on every single one, I wouldn't wipe my *** with the paper that comparison is printed on and the result would be as reliable as Bill Clinton with an intern. This is my area of expertise and that expertise is very extensive, but you're going to have to put in the elbow grease or else you waste everyone's time by giving them pure BS.

Find your the '54 Corvette and take a look at the stock gear ratios, the real car had a Powerglide and only came with one final drive ratio. That means it's a 2-speed transmission leaving 3 ratios altogether: a 2.00/1.00 trans and 4.00 final. When I saw it I looked in awe at the amount of sucking at life necessary to pull this off. Powerglides came with a first gear ratio of either 1.82 or 1.76, I'm 99.9% sure the Corvette was 1.82 but I'll check my C1 restoration manuals later. Either way those are the only Powerglide ratios, there was NEVER a 2.00 first gear installed on ANY CAR EVER MADE WITH A POWERGLIDE! Brace yourself, the final drive ratio should be 3.55 and THE ONLY POSSIBLE REAR RATIO!

I decided to see how rare this information was and searched "1954 Corvette axle ratio" both "Powerglide ratios" on google, both times the very first site gave the correct numbers. Considering even the very top page of a google search hits the right numbers both times, where the **** did these wrong ones come from? THEY MANAGED TO MESS UP A CAR WITH ONLY 3 GEARS BECAUSE THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF USING GOOGLE!

Polyphony Digital managed to royally FUBAR quite a few muscle cars, I've never counted because I just get pissed off and want to go Hiroshima Round Two for obviously putting so little effort into them. The majority of the power figures are based on factory figures so far off that people laughed when the cars were new (this is wher I can help quite a bit)! Then there's stuff like the '69 Camaro SS having the wrong transmission, and do you know how '69 Camaros came with 3.89 gears? The answer is every single one made by Ford!👍 The 3.89 gears are a Ford ratio, GM never put any 3.89 gears in any 12-bolt. Go google "Chevy 3.89 axle" and let me know how that works out.

I'm sorry, I'm sure half of you need extensive psychiatric therapy now. Try and call the "reverse suspension settings" guys crazy while looking at that '54 Corvette, only 3 gears and 2 are wrong. I used to think Polyphony Digital couldn't possibly be THAT dumb, I'm not taking sides but there's no way I can argue PD's assumed intelligence after that.
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There is no question that they didn't put the time required that would benefit the players. You make a good point..
 
Just do what I do. Look up the correct figures and add them yourself.

Speaking of which, I was gonna ask if you wanted the RX-8 updated for the test/review. In 2009 they redesigned the rotary and the RX-8 in game is an '07
 
LVracerGT
Just do what I do. Look up the correct figures and add them yourself.

Speaking of which, I was gonna ask if you wanted the RX-8 updated for the test/review. In 2009 they redesigned the rotary and the RX-8 in game is an '07
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Nahh, we'll just leave 'er as is. Wanna get testing now?
 
Another Idea: Best Race Car for your Money

This is a complicated one, but it would be amazing if done right (which I know you can)
Compare this: To this
Acura NSX '91: Acura NSX RM '91
Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro '09: Audi R8 LMS Race Car (Team PlayStation) '09
Autobacs Garaiya '02: Autobacs ARTA Garaiya '03
BMW 330i '05: BMW 320i Touring Car '03
BMW M3 GTR '03: BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01
Chevrolet Camaro SS '00: Chevrolet Camaro LM Race Car
Chevrolet Camaro SS '10: Chevrolet Camaro SS RM '10
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 '69: Chevrolet Camaro Z28 RM '69
Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63: Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car '63
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) '06: Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) RM '06
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09: Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) RM '09
Citroën C4 Coupe 2.0VTS '05: Citroën C4 WRC '08
GT by Citroën Road Car: GT by Citroën Race Car
Citroën Xsara VTR '03: Citroën Xsara Rally Car '99
Dodge Challenger R/T '70: Dodge Challenger R/T RM '70
Dodge Challenger SRT8 '08: Dodge Challenger SRT8 Touring Car
Dodge Viper GTS '99: Dodge Viper GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car #-1 '00
Ford Focus ST '06: Ford Focus RS WRC 07 '08
Ford GT '06: Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II
Ford RS200 '84: Ford RS200 Rally Car '85
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '98: Honda Gathers Drider CIVIC Race Car '98
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '97: Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) RM '97
Honda CR-Z a '10: Honda CR-Z Touring Car
Honda Fit W '01: Spoon Fit Race Car '03
Honda NSX '01: LocTite/Mobil 1 NSX '01
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car: Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car
Honda S2000 Type V '00: Spoon S2000 Race Car '00
Honda S2000 Type V '01: Honda S2000 LM Race Car
Honda S800: Honda S800 RSC Race Car '68
Jaguar XJ220 '92: Jaguar XJ220 LM Race Car
Lancia DELTA HF Integrale Evoluzione '91: Lancia DELTA HF Integrale Rally Car '92
Lancia STRATOS '73: Lancia STRATOS Rally Car '77
Lexus IS F '07: Lexus IS F RM '07 or Lexus IS F Racing Concept '08
Lotus Elise '96: Lotus Elise RM '96
Lotus Elise 111R '04: Lotus Elise 111R RM '04
Mazda Atenza Concept '01: Mazda Atenza Touring Car
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02: Mazda RX-7 Touring Car
Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (FD) '01: Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car
Mazda RX-8 Concept (Type-II) '01: Mazda RX-8 Concept LM Race Car
Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07: Mazda Roadster Touring Car
McLaren F1 '94: BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97
Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II '91: Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II Touring Car '92
Mercedes-Benz CLK 55 AMG '00: Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01: Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '97: Mitsubishi FT Super Touring Car
Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR '74: Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR Rally Car '74
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car '97
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR '05: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR RM '05
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII RS '03: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Super Rally Car '03
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. '07: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X Touring Car
Nissan 350Z (Z33, US/EU) '03: Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car
Nissan BLUEBIRD 1600 Deluxe (510) '69: Nissan BLUEBIRD Rally Car (510) '69
Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33) '02: Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car
Nissan GT-R '07: Nissan Calsonic IMPUL/MOTUL AUTECH GT-R '08
Nissan GT-R SpecV '09: Nissan GT-R R35 Touring Car
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car '98: Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '98
Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) '02: Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) RM '02
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V•spec II (R32) '94: Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 Touring Car
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V•spec II (R33) '97: Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Touring Car
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V•spec II Nür (R34) '02: Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 Touring Car
Pagani Zonda C12S '00: Pagani Zonda LM Race Car
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 '85: Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evolution 2 Rally Car '86
Peugeot 206 S16 '99: Peugeot 206 Rally Car '99
Renault 5 Turbo '80: Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85
Renault Sport Clio Renault Sport V6 24V '00: Renault Sport Clio Renault Sport Trophy Race Car '00
Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport V6 24V '01: Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport Trophy Race Car '00
Subaru Impreza WRX STi '10: Subaru IMPREZA Touring Car
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA '05: Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA RM '05
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version '00: Subaru IMPREZA Super Touring Car
Subaru IMPREZA Coupe WRX typeR STi Version VI '99: Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car '99
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi '02: Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car '03
Subaru IMPREZA WRX STi '07: Subaru IMPREZA WRC 2008 '08
Subaru IMPREZA WRX STi Prodrive Style '01: Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car '01
Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) '95: Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) RM '95
TVR Tuscan Speed 6 '00: TVR Tuscan Speed 6 RM '00
Toyota ALTEZZA Gita AS300 '01: Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car
Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR RC (ST185) '91: Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST185) '95
Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR (ST205) '98: Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95
Toyota Supra RX '97: Toyota Castrol TOM'S SUPRA '97
Toyota Prius G '09: Toyota Prius Touring Car
Toyota RSC '01: Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car
Volkswagen Golf IV GTI '01: Volkswagen Golf IV GTI RM '01
Volkswagen Golf IV R32 '03: Volkwagen Lupo GTI Cup Car (J) '03
Volkswagen Lupo GTI '01: Volkswagen Lupo Cup Car '03
Volkwagen New Beetle 2.0 '00: Volkswagen New Beetle Cup Car '00

So you do a hotlap at a certain track (Nurburgring 24H) as well as your usual tests and then rank each race car on improvement from the base model.
 
Jahgee1124
Another Idea: Best Race Car for your Money

This is a complicated one, but it would be amazing if done right (which I know you can)
Compare this: To this
Acura NSX '91: Acura NSX RM '91
Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro '09: Audi R8 LMS Race Car (Team PlayStation) '09
Autobacs Garaiya '02: Autobacs ARTA Garaiya '03
BMW 330i '05: BMW 320i Touring Car '03
BMW M3 GTR '03: BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01
Chevrolet Camaro SS '00: Chevrolet Camaro LM Race Car
Chevrolet Camaro SS '10: Chevrolet Camaro SS RM '10
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 '69: Chevrolet Camaro Z28 RM '69
Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63: Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car '63
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) '06: Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) RM '06
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09: Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) RM '09
Citroën C4 Coupe 2.0VTS '05: Citroën C4 WRC '08
GT by Citroën Road Car: GT by Citroën Race Car
Citroën Xsara VTR '03: Citroën Xsara Rally Car '99
Dodge Challenger R/T '70: Dodge Challenger R/T RM '70
Dodge Challenger SRT8 '08: Dodge Challenger SRT8 Touring Car
Dodge Viper GTS '99: Dodge Viper GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car #-1 '00
Ford Focus ST '06: Ford Focus RS WRC 07 '08
Ford GT '06: Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II
Ford RS200 '84: Ford RS200 Rally Car '85
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '98: Honda Gathers Drider CIVIC Race Car '98
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '97: Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) RM '97
Honda CR-Z a '10: Honda CR-Z Touring Car
Honda Fit W '01: Spoon Fit Race Car '03
Honda NSX '01: LocTite/Mobil 1 NSX '01
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car: Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car
Honda S2000 Type V '00: Spoon S2000 Race Car '00
Honda S2000 Type V '01: Honda S2000 LM Race Car
Honda S800: Honda S800 RSC Race Car '68
Jaguar XJ220 '92: Jaguar XJ220 LM Race Car
Lancia DELTA HF Integrale Evoluzione '91: Lancia DELTA HF Integrale Rally Car '92
Lancia STRATOS '73: Lancia STRATOS Rally Car '77
Lexus IS F '07: Lexus IS F RM '07 or Lexus IS F Racing Concept '08
Lotus Elise '96: Lotus Elise RM '96
Lotus Elise 111R '04: Lotus Elise 111R RM '04
Mazda Atenza Concept '01: Mazda Atenza Touring Car
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02: Mazda RX-7 Touring Car
Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (FD) '01: Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car
Mazda RX-8 Concept (Type-II) '01: Mazda RX-8 Concept LM Race Car
Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07: Mazda Roadster Touring Car
McLaren F1 '94: BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97
Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II '91: Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II Touring Car '92
Mercedes-Benz CLK 55 AMG '00: Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01: Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '97: Mitsubishi FT Super Touring Car
Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR '74: Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR Rally Car '74
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car '97
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR '05: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR RM '05
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII RS '03: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Super Rally Car '03
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. '07: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X Touring Car
Nissan 350Z (Z33, US/EU) '03: Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car
Nissan BLUEBIRD 1600 Deluxe (510) '69: Nissan BLUEBIRD Rally Car (510) '69
Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33) '02: Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car
Nissan GT-R '07: Nissan Calsonic IMPUL/MOTUL AUTECH GT-R '08
Nissan GT-R SpecV '09: Nissan GT-R R35 Touring Car
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car '98: Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '98
Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) '02: Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) RM '02
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V•spec II (R32) '94: Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 Touring Car
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V•spec II (R33) '97: Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Touring Car
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V•spec II Nür (R34) '02: Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 Touring Car
Pagani Zonda C12S '00: Pagani Zonda LM Race Car
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 '85: Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evolution 2 Rally Car '86
Peugeot 206 S16 '99: Peugeot 206 Rally Car '99
Renault 5 Turbo '80: Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85
Renault Sport Clio Renault Sport V6 24V '00: Renault Sport Clio Renault Sport Trophy Race Car '00
Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport V6 24V '01: Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport Trophy Race Car '00
Subaru Impreza WRX STi '10: Subaru IMPREZA Touring Car
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA '05: Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA RM '05
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version '00: Subaru IMPREZA Super Touring Car
Subaru IMPREZA Coupe WRX typeR STi Version VI '99: Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car '99
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi '02: Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car '03
Subaru IMPREZA WRX STi '07: Subaru IMPREZA WRC 2008 '08
Subaru IMPREZA WRX STi Prodrive Style '01: Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car '01
Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) '95: Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) RM '95
TVR Tuscan Speed 6 '00: TVR Tuscan Speed 6 RM '00
Toyota ALTEZZA Gita AS300 '01: Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car
Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR RC (ST185) '91: Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST185) '95
Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR (ST205) '98: Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95
Toyota Supra RX '97: Toyota Castrol TOM'S SUPRA '97
Toyota Prius G '09: Toyota Prius Touring Car
Toyota RSC '01: Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car
Volkswagen Golf IV GTI '01: Volkswagen Golf IV GTI RM '01
Volkswagen Golf IV R32 '03: Volkwagen Lupo GTI Cup Car (J) '03
Volkswagen Lupo GTI '01: Volkswagen Lupo Cup Car '03
Volkwagen New Beetle 2.0 '00: Volkswagen New Beetle Cup Car '00

So you do a hotlap at a certain track (Nurburgring 24H) as well as your usual tests and then rank each race car on improvement from the base model.
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:embarrassed: Mind Blown you typed all of that. That is a VERY cool idea, thing is, there is no chance we would be able to to all of that, how ever, we could quite easily do the most popular ones, or something along the lines of it.. Thanks a TON for the input man! Great idea.
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
:embarrassed: Mind Blown you typed all of that. That is a VERY cool idea, thing is, there is no chance we would be able to to all of that, how ever, we could quite easily do the most popular ones, or something along the lines of it.. Thanks a TON for the input man! Great idea.
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I know I have all of the rally cars, 2 of most of them. I also have quite a few of the more obscure ones like the NSX LM Prototype both road and race, Honda S800 RSC, Spoon Fit and S2000, stuff like that.

Maybe we could cut it down, perhaps road vs race rally cars. I got those under control, especially those Group B bad boys!

Oh, now that's got me thinking! We're typically about how much faster are the new cars. We could do a Group B, Group A, and WRC thing to see how fast are were the old cars!
 
JDMKING13
:bowdown: This is what I do! I need to make sure these cars are in true form!
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That's tricky. How much horsepower did a '69 DZ 302 motor actually make? Where did you get that number from?

A lot of people who know nothing love to post on the internet and write magazine articles claiming a car makes such and such power. I have yet to see one get something right...
 
Enzo_Guy
That's tricky. How much horsepower did a '69 DZ 302 motor actually make? Where did you get that number from?

A lot of people who know nothing love to post on the internet and write magazine articles claiming a car makes such and such power. I have yet to see one get something right...
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I just search dude. When I need tranny guide to get my muscle cars right I use this.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=243334

I also try to go on Google and get all the information I can get. 👍
 
JDMKING13
I just search dude. When I need tranny guide to get my muscle cars right I use this.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=243334

I also try to go on Google and get all the information I can get. 👍
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That's my point, we know 290hp is wrong for the '69 Z28, but which number is right? You can find anything from 310hp to 400hp depending on who you ask. Then, what's the GT5 car equipped with? Did it have the 30-30 Duntov cam, or maybe the cross-ram intake with dual 4-barrels?

See where I'm going with this? There's so much up in the air and I can guarantee 95% or more of what you see on google is wrong. Oh, and the 454 LS6 is one of my favorites, I've never seen any of those internet guesses get close to the dyno numbers I have for one from back in like '70 or '71. Trust me, it's not as easy as you think it is.

Don't forget 1/4-mile times were often fudged too! Magazines wanted to post the fastest times so they had a habit of sticking carbs, intakes, headers, and especially stickier tires on the cars. That's assuming the factory didn't do it anyway and neglect to mention it, which they were infamous for. The only sources I trust are dyno charts in my hands (half of those internet ones are pretty far off and use breathed on motors) or Roger Huntington's accelerometer readings. The problem with Huntington is he wasn't very descriptive of what he was testing, so his '69 Z28 could have been equipped with any parts and you'll never know what it pertains to (from my own numbers, looks like his didn't have the Duntov or the 2x4 cross-ram).

There's a '67 GTO 4-speed sitting in my garage, my one uncle had a '67 Corvette L89 and a '57 Corvette fuelie (just to name a few haha), another uncle has a '68 Plymouth GTX 440, another uncle has a fire-breathing '50 Ford Flathead, this is what we do. I know these cars and google is not the place to find answers, it's great for gearing and such but horsepower is a totally different animal.
 
Enzo_Guy
That's my point, we know 290hp is wrong for the '69 Z28, but which number is right? You can find anything from 310hp to 400hp depending on who you ask. Then, what's the GT5 car equipped with? Did it have the 30-30 Duntov cam, or maybe the cross-ram intake with dual 4-barrels?

See where I'm going with this? There's so much up in the air and I can guarantee 95% or more of what you see on google is wrong. Oh, and the 454 LS6 is one of my favorites, I've never seen any of those internet guesses get close to the dyno numbers I have for one from back in like '70 or '71. Trust me, it's not as easy as you think it is.

Don't forget 1/4-mile times were often fudged too! Magazines wanted to post the fastest times so they had a habit of sticking carbs, intakes, headers, and especially stickier tires on the cars. That's assuming the factory didn't do it anyway and neglect to mention it, which they were infamous for. The only sources I trust are dyno charts in my hands (half of those internet ones are pretty far off and use breathed on motors) or Roger Huntington's accelerometer readings. The problem with Huntington is he wasn't very descriptive of what he was testing, so his '69 Z28 could have been equipped with any parts and you'll never know what it pertains to (from my own numbers, looks like his didn't have the Duntov or the 2x4 cross-ram).

There's a '67 GTO 4-speed sitting in my garage, my one uncle had a '67 Corvette L89 and a '57 Corvette fuelie (just to name a few haha), another uncle has a '68 Plymouth GTX 440, another uncle has a fire-breathing '50 Ford Flathead, this is what we do. I know these cars and google is not the place to find answers, it's great for gearing and such but horsepower is a totally different animal.
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Oh I agree with you buddy, but for my league PGTR where we use real life parts and situations and match it up with GT5. I have to look up a lot of info. What I do is join car forums and ask the people who actually own them questions. There is also tons of information on the forums I use as references. I have found this method helping me tons when It comes to me not knowing about a specific cars.
 
JDMKING13
Oh I agree with you buddy, but for my league PGTR where we use real life parts and situations and match it up with GT5. I have to look up a lot of info. What I do is join car forums and ask the people who actually own them questions. There is also tons of information on the forums I use as references. I have found this method helping me tons when It comes to me not knowing about a specific cars.
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I tell you what, you need to find info on muscle cars I'm a pretty good resource as well (hell, I've owned or been under the hood of near most any of them you can think haha). Feel free to shoot me a message, I've got a lot of that not so easy to find stuff and it all comes from restoration manuals, dyno tests one of the 30+ hot rod builders in my did, just a stupid amount of useless old books and papers with pretty much any number you could possibly imagine!👍

I know there are quite a few head-scratchers that google can't help you with, I'm probably the guy to talk to for those. For instance, how much horsepower did the '54 Corvette make, with the factory Paxton supercharger? Good luck finding that on google, last I remember (got it in a book somewhere) I'm thinking it was 192hp.
 
There's a few websites that have correct info. I've had no problem finding figures thus far. I also cross check them with other sites, and sometimes the manufacturer has a downloadable PDF that has all the info. That's how I got all the numbers for my Boss 302 replica 👍
 

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