Best Laptops

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rollazn
At the moment, I am currently looking for a laptop. I know desktops are superior, but I am going off to college soon and I think laptop is a better way to go.

I am going to tell you guys straight off. I am not a computer nerd. I do know the basics, but I am pretty sure that you guys are much more intelligent in this field.

What do you think is the best laptop out there? I don’t need a gaming laptop or anything in particular. I just want a very good and fast laptop for a good price, meaning try to keep it under $ 2000.

I have been looking at Dell, but I would like your opinion on this matter.
 
if you plan on using it in class, i suggest almost any laptop with the Pentium M processor. Notebooks with this chip are VERY light, fairly powerful (but not too fast) and have incredible battery life. It's slower but that chip is really the only way you'll be able to keep it running through an entire lecture (they usually last 3 hours). A regular laptop running a P4-M or a Celeron-M will give you a rated life of 3 hours tops so you wont even whereas the Pentium M will give 4-8 hours depending on the laptop you get.

Anyways, check the Toshiba Tecra's... they run for $1400 up to 2k depending on the options you equip them with. With the 1.7ghz Pentium M, 512 megs ddr, 60 gig drive, bluetooth, and dvd burner, you would be paying $1900

There's also the HP ZT3000 series of laptops. A similar setup will run you $1850 with them...

If you want a performance oriented notebook however, the prices will be similar but you'll be getting 3ghz+ in terms of processing speed, don't buy anything with a video card using shared ram (preferably a Radeon Mobility 9600 or 9700), they're heavy as hell and wont last you more than 3 hours for battery life.

Edit:
I just saw the Dell Inspirion 9200... holy effing crap that's one sweet laptop. Just upgrade to the 9 cell battery, 512 megs of ram, a 60 gig drive, and a dvd burner. You'll still pay $1900 but the system is MUCH better for gaming than the HP and the Toshibas but you'll still get similar battery life. The 15 inch LCD is also a nice feature for them to include :)

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Bleh, I just saw that $1900 for the dell is only for today. The price is $1900 with the sale they have going right now. Otherwise it's $2100
 
Haha. Thanks for the suggestions. I will look over those laptops now. Just checking out the sites.
 
one more addition to the list - check the apple notebooks if you don't do much pc gaming. They're a pretty nice value and you'll rarely have troubles with them.
 
Im not all that into PC gaming at all. Basically I just want the best buy for a laptop under 2 grand. It may not have to be the fastest but I just want one that is best overall.
 
I'd look into a 15" Aluminum PowerBook... or maybe the iBook. My 17" PB has been fabulous, and the current ones are faster still. The 17" is a little large to haul around on a daily basis, but the screen is brilliant and it gets 2-1/2 hours to a charge pushing a 1.0ghz G4 processor. The keyboard is nice and tight, too, not loose like some. And the letters are backlit in the dark. And it's got standard 11-g wireless networking and a CD/DVD burner.

It's one inch thick - literally - when closed, and it measures about 10 x 15. It weighs about 6 pounds. I've had no problem with it at all, and the current models are 1.4 ghz G4 or faster.
 
^^ They're awesome laptops. The 15 inch model should get enough battery life to go through a full 3 hour lecture as well. If not, a good electrovaya powerpad will more than double the juice you get and only add 1 pound of weight to your backpack. The only thing keeping me from getting the mac is that my school forces me to lease from them if I want to remain in their IT program :(
 
DO NOT GET DELL LAPTOPS

You have been warned, grasshopper. I know many people with Dell computers and they all wish they had gotten something else other than a Dell.
 
VTGT07
DO NOT GET DELL LAPTOPS

You have been warned, grasshopper. I know many people with Dell computers and they all wish they had gotten something else other than a Dell.
Really? My bro is really happy with his Dell Inspiron 9100.
 
I won't be getting a laptop in the near future anyways, unless my piece of crap suddenly brakes and cannot be repaired (:lol: Idea!)! Anyways, it seems like I will have to wait until my POS dies or until my dad will give in and consider buying me a new laptop.

My current one is around 498MHz. I got it for free from my cousin, that is how cheap my dad is. But he just shelled out 1500 for a Sony Vaio for my sister who is leaving for college this year. The only reason he bought it for her, is because her 300-400Mhz Sony died. She had that computer for more than a good 5-6 years.


EDIT: Why not Dell? I have heard that they are great. Not only in laptops but desktops also.
 
nothing much wrong with dell laptops as far as I can tell... sometimes there's shoddy build quality though.

If you want to give your dad a reason to get a new laptop, just show him that it's severely out of date and how no decent software will stand even a remote chance of running :)
 
Yeah.... I am just thinking ahead. Like I said, I want a new computer/lap top at this moment, and the reason why I want a lap top is not because I rather have it over a computer, just that I might need it when I go to college which is in-fact in 2 years. I just read my first post and yeah. I meant a laptop that could be use for college. Ha-ha. Not that im going to college anytime soon. Might have sound that way but what-ever, I meant it as this is probably going to be the computer/laptop that I will bring to college when I go. Seeing as my father is the type of person who will not buy you something unless it is broken and unfixable.

It's not like im going to get a new desktop now and get a laptop in 2 years. Have I mentioned how long I had my old computer for? Yeah. Around 6 years. So I have a feeling if I do get a laptop it will be the same one I will be using when I go off to college which is indeed a long time ahead.

Sorry for the confusion. :dunce:
 
VTGT07
DO NOT GET DELL LAPTOPS

You have been warned, grasshopper. I know many people with Dell computers and they all wish they had gotten something else other than a Dell.

Huh ?.. At my company we use nothing but Dell (2 exceptions) and have been more than pleased with both the product AND the service. One had cracked the screen twice in one and a half month.. Dell never asked a question. They came, replaced the screen, left...

And I've been EXTREMELY happy with my (now old and bloated) Latitude C840. It has been with me for 2 years, and I'm not really good at taking care of stuff.. Hasn't given me any problems yet (except, when I screw up my Windows installation which happens more often that I would like)
 
if it's 2 years from now, I'd be wary of getting a laptop. Keep in mind that by that time the battery will most likely be at less than half it's original capacity. If you can wait a year, do it. By that time, Microsoft will hopefully release Windows Longhorn - with that, comes new technology and new hardware. That'll mean today's top end hardware will be dirt cheap.
 
I've just had bad experiences with Dell computers in trying to fix them and everything when problems arise with them. It might just be that they came from a bad build, seeing as they all were purchased around the same time, it may be something else.

It seems like everytime something goes wrong with a computer and I get a phone call or an IM from someone needing computer help they either have a Dell or a Gateway (we have a 97 Gateway) and I guess I've just sort of developed an anti Dell/Gateway bias over the past few years. I, personally have had an HP laptop for the past 2 years and have had no problems with it whatsoever. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't know.

This was all disregarding corporate computers, most corporations use Dell because they are cheap computers costwise and they don't need anything fancy, just enough power to run some MS office applications and whatnot without alot of lag time.

Windows Longhorn, :lol:. That is turning into GT4 slowly, its already been pushed back a few times. And from what I've heard of the latest Beta, there are still massive security flaws (nothing new with anything from M$) and they most likely won't fix but half of them. Me, I'm sticking with XP Pro.
 
LoudMusic
Wow, I guess I'm the deciding factor since no one has taken charge of this thread in nearly two days.
no, he said he doesn't need it for another 2 years so time is the deciding factor ;). Let's resurrect this thread 2 years from now :dopey:
 
LoudMusic
Dell 600M. There are better options for the same model if you go through the Small Business config process.
Exactly.

Their business models are top-notch. Their home models, however, tend to have a larger likelyhood of something bad going on with them. If you get a Dell, make sure to get the business series.
 
I'm starting to look around for laptops as well.

What do you guys suggest? My parents have something against Apple, so that's out of the question. I would like to run multiple windows and programs at the same time without the laptop crashing. If I have the time, I might do some video editing as well.

Quoting rollazn,
rollazn
What do you think is the best laptop out there? I don’t need a gaming laptop or anything in particular. I just want a very good and fast laptop for a good price, meaning try to keep it under $ 2000.

Just a thought: Will the Centrino survive with what I want to do?
 
It'll do, but not very well. I'd suggest a Dell (be careful, some models have poor build quality) or a Toshiba. In either case, i'd be weary of extreme bottom of the barrel pricing on laptops - they're priced that low for a reason.

If at all possible, convince them to go Apple. The powerbooks or the iBooks - both are good. As for the powerbooks, they have the NICEST lcd display I have ever seen and they're damn reliable. The battery life on the bigger ones however, isn't that good.

If you want one real easy way to convince them to go with an apple, remind them that Apple provides well over $150 or so off with student discounts ;)
 
I despise Toshiba laptops. I hate them with a passion. They're some of the most poorly engineered notebooks I've ever seen. A good many of them (of the ones I've looked at) don't have an access panel for the CPU and heatsink, which is a major issue. Also, none of the ones I've seen support hardware monitoring in any way, shape, or form. A lot of notebooks will work with either I8K or Mobilemeter, but neither one can get any info from the Toshiba BIOSes, which is also a major issue.

The other gripe I have with Toshiba laptops is that I expect (and, in fact, demand) the fastest mobile graphics chipset available in my laptops. Mobile graphics are still not *quite* caught up with desktop GPUs (although the new X800m and 6800 Go are very, very impressive) and I need all the power I can get because I do play games on my laptops. And Toshiba's graphics solutions have always been subpar. They use chipsets that are one or more generations out of date a lot of the time... and when they do use new chipsets they saddle them with hysterically small amounts of video memory... neither of these "features" is condusive to gaming.

"Centrino" is Intel's marketing name for a bundle containing its Pentium M processor and its wireless network chipset. The Pentium M is an outstanding CPU... the best thing Intel has done since the Pentium III Tualatin. A Pentium M is equivalent to a P4 running 1.2GHz faster than the Pentium M in most cases... meaning that a 2.13GHz Pentium M is basically equivalent in performance to a 3.4GHz P4. It also uses much less power than the P4, which results in a cooler running, quieter notebook with better battery life.

How much do you have to spend? What are your priorities as far as weight and size go? And will you be doing any gaming on it?

I suggest you take a look at www.powernotebooks.com

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Oh, and don't buy anything from Fry's PLEASE... their notebook selection is not very good at the best of times, and they're ridiculously overpriced... as is true for most of the stuff in Fry's... :banghead:
 
Geeky1
I despise Toshiba laptops. I hate them with a passion. They're some of the most poorly engineered notebooks I've ever seen. A good many of them (of the ones I've looked at) don't have an access panel for the CPU and heatsink, which is a major issue.
It's not a major issue to 99.9% of consumers who buy a laptop

The other gripe I have with Toshiba laptops is that I expect (and, in fact, demand) the fastest mobile graphics chipset available in my laptops. Mobile graphics are still not *quite* caught up with desktop GPUs (although the new X800m and 6800 Go are very, very impressive) and I need all the power I can get because I do play games on my laptops. And Toshiba's graphics solutions have always been subpar. They use chipsets that are one or more generations out of date a lot of the time... and when they do use new chipsets they saddle them with hysterically small amounts of video memory... neither of these "features" is condusive to gaming.
Toshiba laptops are just that - they're laptops. Not portable gaming rigs. The most they ever advertise is their media center laptop and they market that as a media center devices to replace desktops - not as gaming machines. Even in the press events i've seen them demonstrated in, they never mention anything about gaming. Keep in mind that a big GPU = less battery life. If you want to play games on a laptop, get a custom Alienware knowing that you're getting it for the upgradeability, top of the line power, the wonderful sub 30 minute battery life, and all 9+ pounds of desktop quality equipment.
 
Not having access to the heatsink is not a major issue to most people because most people don't realize that computers (especially laptops) have more in common with cars than they do with refridgerators. Computers-laptops in particular-need regular maintenance. This is particularly true of many of the dirt cheap and ultra high performance laptops that've been sold in the past few years; many of those have P4s (because they're cheaper than mobile CPUs, and because up until the introduction of the Pentium M, they were faster), and the P4 puts out a considerable amount of heat (anywhere from 50-150w+).

Now, laptops obviously cannot pack a desktop-sized heatsink inside the chassis. For mobile CPUs this isn't really necessary- the true Mobile P4s (not the newer ones with HT- I'm talking about the ones that topped out at like 2.4GHz and never got past a 400 or 533 FSB) and the Pentium Ms don't put out anything like 50-150w of heat... they put out 35 or less...

But keeping desktop CPUs cool in laptop chassis requires significantly more work... my Dell XPS has 3 heatsinks for the CPU (one in direct contact with the P4's IHS, 2 more on either end of the back of the chassis, connected to the CPU via heatpipes), and my Sager has a huge (~4x6x1/2") copper heatsink in it. By way of comparison, the heatsink in my mother's old Asus notebook (which has a 2.0GHz mobile P4) is about 1" square and 1/4" high.

Either way though, you have a much smaller surface area than you do in a desktop. More importantly, you also have a much lower profile heatsink, which means that the frontal area of the fins is much smaller. These two factors make notebooks more prone to overheating than desktops... the fins clog with dust faster due to the smaller frontal area, leaving less room for dust to collect before it significantly reduces airflow through the heatsink, and the heatsink itself has less heat dissipation capacity than its desktop counterpart would, leaving less overhead for situations where the heatsink experiences reduced airflow.

What this means to the consumer is that it is advisable (and indeed required) to clean the heatsink in the notebook regularly. How long you go between cleanings depends on the specific notebook and the environment that it's kept in. Because my notebooks are P4 based and put out ridiculous amounts of heat, I clean them once a month. My mother's Asus can go a good 4-6 months between cleanings (less now that my sister has discovered that she can play The Sims 2 on it).

Now, there are two ways to clean a notebook's heatsink. The bad way, and the good way. The bad way is to use canned air to blow air through the heatsink. This will dislodge the dust, but more often than not it remains trapped somewhere in the fan, duct, and heatsink assembly within the notebook. Furthermore, doing this incorrectly will result in the user spinning up the fan way, way beyond its operating range, cooking the bearings and destroying the fan. And then they'll need a new fan before they can use the notebook again (at least without damaging it or having it shut off every few minutes).

Admittedly, canned air is better than no cleaning at all, but it's much better if the notebook has a CPU access panel the way the Sager and the Asus do, so you can just pop the heatsink out, wipe off the thermal compound, rinse the heatsink out with water, dry it out using a blowdryer, canned air, or just by letting it sit on its side for a day or two, and then put it back into the notebook with a fresh layer of thermal compound, preferably high quality stuff like Arctic Silver 5...

I used to moderate the cooling and power supply/case modding forums on a fairly good size tech site guys... my areas of "expertise" are laptops, cooling, case modding and power supplies...

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Oh, and you couldn't PAY me to buy or use an Alienware laptop. :sly: I'd rather get a better, faster notebook from Powernotebooks or PCTorque for much less. The first Alienware laptops were exactly the same as the Sager NP5620 that Powernotebooks and PCTorque sold at the time (Sager and Alienware used the same OEM- Clevo- for a while; Alienware has since switched to Compal), and the new Alienware laptops can't touch the big (and I mean that in the most literal sense possible- my mother just got a NP9860 last week and it dwarfs my XPS) Sagers for expandability, upgradeability, or power* (don't quote me on the power part... I haven't looked at Alienware notebooks in detail in something like a year)
 
I have several Dell 600Ms at work, and several Apple iBooks, through nearly all versions. The Dell laptop is a far superior build quality. The iBooks fall appart at an alarming rate. If you're going to go with Apple, get a PowerBook. There is a reason the iBooks are so damn cheap.
 
Geeky1
I used to moderate the cooling and power supply/case modding forums on a fairly good size tech site guys... my areas of "expertise" are laptops, cooling, case modding and power supplies...
Yep .. I'll be having atleast a few questions for you at some point when I get my desktop completed.

P4 3.2e - That sucker will put out some heat. I'll be getting in touch with you at some point :).
 
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