Best power to weight cars? Submit yours!(production cars ONLY).

[synik]

Heya all,
I was just curious, but what kind of power to weight ratios you have found?

Mostly I am interested in production cars and cars that dont have some insane turbo that makes it go from say 300 to like six or seven hundred hp.

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I actually had an interesting find. I have a Lotus Elan with a power to weight of 2.7 ! Get this it weighs in at a disgustingly low 580kg and has 210hp.

I beat cars regularly with 300 some odd horsepower and could probably beat even better cars if I drove better lines and didn't run off the track a bucnh =).

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ps Personally I love the super light production cars they kick ass especially when you beat super huge cars that are all horsepower and can't turn worth a flying peacock.

 

[Kent]

Take the time to become familiar with TVR. 👍

The Cerbera speed six, tuscan, and griffith all have amazing pwr straight out of the box.
With a stage 1 light weight you may find some of them dropping well below 1000kg and still sporting a stock 300hp (roughly).

The cerbera speed six is my favorite in the group, but the griffith probably has the best stats regarding pwr.

The tuscan on the other hand probably has the pwr and handling, but you will have to decide that for yourself.

Good luck and take heed.

 

[amp88]

Take the time to become familiar with TVR. 👍

The Cerbera speed six, tuscan, and griffith all have amazing pwr straight out of the box.
With a stage 1 light weight you may find some of them dropping well below 1000kg and still sporting a stock 300hp (roughly).

The cerbera speed six is my favorite in the group, but the griffith probably has the best stats regarding pwr.

The tuscan on the other hand probably has the pwr and handling, but you will have to decide that for yourself.

Good luck and take heed.

Yep. Don't forget the Speed 12 though. Not sure about in the game exactly, but real life it's about 960 bhp (IIRC) and just over 1000kg

 

[Mild Seven]

What about the little Ginetta G4? I can't recall how powerful it is when fully tuned but I do know it's roughly the same weight as a Snickers bar.

 

[mrplo]

Once modified, the Saleen S7 has a reletivly low power to weight ratio.

Click on my siggy to see more pics of it.

BTW when you buy it, change the rims asap. The originals smell.

 

[Danny]

*Points out that most of the cars mentioned so far are British*

 

[hornet_burnout]

In rally cars I believe the Delta S4 will take the prize. But I don't have it anymore...

 

[bigjoe]

I don't have the numbers but I'm pretty sure you can tune the TVR Speed 12 to be less than 1 KG/HP. And I bet the Cien can get pretty close to that as well. Maybe some of the Supras, etc. Have to look them up when I get home...

 

[Dave A]

Yep. Don't forget the Speed 12 though. Not sure about in the game exactly, but real life it's about 960 bhp (IIRC) and just over 1000kg

In real life it's currently running 880Bhp and weighs 950Kg, with a different diff it could run 960Bhp, but not as reliably. However TVR are doing work on the car to sort that out and maybe get even more power out of it.

The Speed 12 has the best power to weight ratio in GT4 for standard road cars.

And most of the better power to weight ratio's in GT4 are from British cars, we have Lotus for the light weight sportscars, beats that Mazda MX-5. Classic cars, same thing Triumph and Ginetta are solid. Modern sports cars, look no further than TVR, and supercars, again TVR.

 

[hornet_burnout]

In real life it's currently running 880Bhp and weighs 950Kg, with a different diff it could run 960Bhp, but not as reliably.

Isn't power usually measured at the crackshaft ? In the game it is.

Still, if a diff can make such a difference as 10% in 'real' power on the wheels... Maybe PD should take that in consideration for GT5 tunning.

 

[jammyozzy]

In real life it's currently running 880Bhp and weighs 950Kg, with a different diff it could run 960Bhp, but not as reliably. However TVR are doing work on the car to sort that out and maybe get even more power out of it.

The Speed 12 has the best power to weight ratio in GT4 for standard road cars.

And most of the better power to weight ratio's in GT4 are from British cars, we have Lotus for the light weight sportscars, beats that Mazda MX-5. Classic cars, same thing Triumph and Ginetta are solid. Modern sports cars, look no further than TVR, and supercars, again TVR.

960Bhp Speed 12? Is this the one they're adding the rear spoiler to?

 

[Gerco]

Once modified, the Saleen S7 has a reletivly low power to weight ratio.

In fact it has in rl a ratio of 2.24 (NOt modified)

 

[Eric.]

Isn't power usually measured at the crackshaft ? In the game it is.

Still, if a diff can make such a difference as 10% in 'real' power on the wheels... Maybe PD should take that in consideration for GT5 tunning.

No, TVR restricted its horsepower for reliability, they are working on a diff that can handle the max horsepower. You've gotta realize, nobody knows the exact power and torque of this beast. It snapped a dyno shaft that was rated for 1000ft/lbs.

 

[inferno]

In real life it's currently running 880Bhp and weighs 950Kg, with a different diff it could run 960Bhp, but not as reliably. However TVR are doing work on the car to sort that out and maybe get even more power out of it.

I take it you mean to say that the engines power is limited to 880 to keep the car from breaking it'self? And a beefy-er rear diff would allow them to use it's full potential and mabe even crank it up some more?

The speed twelve is crazy, but others are catching up. Still no one is even close though.

[EDIT]
oops, Ebiggs beat me to it.

 

[jammyozzy]

Taht's gonna be one hell of a diff!

 

[hornet_burnout]

No, TVR restricted its horsepower for reliability, they are working on a diff that can handle the max horsepower. You've gotta realize, nobody knows the exact power and torque of this beast. It snapped a dyno shaft that was rated for 1000ft/lbs.

Nice !



But the idea is still good. Different transmission shafts, diffs and gearboxes will allow more power to be transmited to the wheels.

 

[Dave A]

It's not so much restricted, just running a diff with a lower power deliberately. TVR are doing some work on the engine, diff and ECU so it can handle far more power, and then any extra power it does end up with over the 960Bhp mark won't be a problem. Also the reason the car now weighs under 1000Kg is because it's using the carbon fibre bodywork from the GTS racer now which is lighter. As for claims other car are catching up, the closest is the Koenigsegg CCR, but even that will get slaughtered by the 12 if estimates and guesses from people who've driven it are to go by. EVO magazine gave it 11 1/2 stars haha, out of a maximum of 5.

 

[Kent]

Well...

I didn't forget the speed 12.

In fact, I left it out.

To me this is about gt4 and not real life, because of that I find nothing about the speed 12 to be worthy of mention in this thread.

Sure it has a great pwr, but I can promise you that it still can't match the overall performance of the other TVRs.

Maybe I'm being a little hard on the 12, but isn't that allowed?

I wanted to come in here and encourage the member asking about pwr to use a car that was balanced as well as powerful.

The speed 12 is powerful and light weight but not balanced.
Hell, just avoiding traction loss adds tons of time to each lap.
Then add in the bad handling and the relatively lacking downforce and you end up with a monster that's not worthy of much more than a mention in this thread.

All I'm saying is...
If you want pure brute strength and not much else- go for the speed 12.
However, if you want a balance of handling, weight, and power- go for the cerbera or tuscan. 👍

 

[Sven]

Does the Caterham count? It's a production car, but you can't drive it in sim mode (in races anyway). It's a fun car to drive, and can hang with some big dogs, especially with max mods.

 

[Famine]

Well...

I didn't forget the speed 12.

In fact, I left it out.

To me this is about gt4 and not real life, because of that I find nothing about the speed 12 to be worthy of mention in this thread.

Sure it has a great pwr, but I can promise you that it still can't match the overall performance of the other TVRs.

Maybe I'm being a little hard on the 12, but isn't that allowed?

I wanted to come in here and encourage the member asking about pwr to use a car that was balanced as well as powerful.

The speed 12 is powerful and light weight but not balanced.
Hell, just avoiding traction loss adds tons of time to each lap.
Then add in the bad handling and the relatively lacking downforce and you end up with a monster that's not worthy of much more than a mention in this thread.

All I'm saying is...
If you want pure brute strength and not much else- go for the speed 12.
However, if you want a balance of handling, weight, and power- go for the cerbera or tuscan. 👍

Only in the real world, the 12 is utterly brutal - unofficial 3.0s for the 0-62mph run. Rated to 250mph - only they can't get tyres to fit which match the rating and nowhere is long enough to get that fast.

I'm reliably informed that PD have screwed up the 12 in GT4. Not that it's easy to drive in the real world either...

 

[Dave A]

The 0-60 was for the older Speed 12 not the Cerbera Speed 12. They said it should be able to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds since the old one could but since the car has been fitted with the GTS racers diff, the 0-60 is more realistically 3.5 seconds because it's set for rolling starts not 0-60's. 0-100 on the other hand should appear below 6 seconds, it should hit 187Mph faster than the Bugatti Veyron, although all this is estimates, it's also worth noting that the car will be even faster when TVR completes the work they're doing on it now.

As for the performance of the 12 in GT4, PD never had a chance to do any testing on the real car, so all they could do was shove some figures into the game engine and see what that would create and use guess work from there.

 

[Kent]

Famine. 👍

But the key really is in the idea of "the real world" itself.

If the real world were the base of the game more-so than it is now there would be amazing difference.
I am 100% confident you are well aware of that.

So basically,
The 12 sucks.

Real life. 👍
GT4. 👎

What's odd though is that you didn't put much of a fight up for the idea that the 12 in gt4 isn't all that bad.

I totally expected your post to be a great post in defense of the gt4 speed 12.
In actuality you just re-affirmed the already present understanding that the real life monster is a far better car than PD would have us all think.

I wonder if they did that one purpose?
Maybe they just can't handle the idea of cars from japan not being the top dogs.

Each level of car in the game has a japanese king... (except for open wheel racers maybe )

Well, enough of that.
I'm thinking about the pwr ideas again and wondering if any of us are giving credit to cars that handle really well even with high pwr.
Maybe the Aston Martin DB9 or something?

Or what about the idea of cars with tons of weight and low pwr?
The big mercedes? Maybe the SLR

What do you all think?

Does anyone care to join me throughout the next two days doing a little check up on as many cars as possible, then filling out a form with the best contenders in a few different pwr ranges.

Production cars only.
1.0-1.999 pwr
2.0-2.999 pwr
3.0-3.499 pwr
3.5-3.999 pwr
4.0-4.499 pwr
4.5-4.999 pwr
5.0-> (unlimited)

Notice the shift at 3.0 where .5 is the seperation instead of 1.0
That would probably make up for the jump in the number of participating cars.

If a few people were to fill out a list and post their picks, we could run a little contest for people to vote for their favorite picks. 👍

Could be fun for testing, picking your favs, posting them up and seeing how they fair with the general gtp crowd.

I'll look into do this because I enjoy doing stuff like that.
The rest of you don't need to, however, if you do, let me know you're gonna do it and maybe we reall coud setup a nice list. 👍

What do you all think?
(and don't say "I think you've got too much time on your hands." )

 

[Dave A]

The Speed 12 is the fastest stock car round the ring in GT4, the ZZ-II may be able to beat it in the right hands but that comes with adjustable parts so you can tweak it to the track. I've ran the 12 at under 7 mins at the ring and I'm not that good compared to many, but thats far faster than any other car I'd be driving, the ZZ-II with stock settings is closest at around 7'10. It is a far better performer in real life, however I did manage to win the last race of the GT all stars in my stock one beating cars like the 787B, Sauber and 88C-V.

 

[Kent]

The Speed 12 is the fastest stock car round the ring in GT4, the ZZ-II may be able to beat it in the right hands but that comes with adjustable parts so you can tweak it to the track. I've ran the 12 at under 7 mins at the ring and I'm not that good compared to many, but thats far faster than any other car I'd be driving, the ZZ-II with stock settings is closest at around 7'10. It is a far better performer in real life, however I did manage to win the last race of the GT all stars in my stock one beating cars like the 787B, Sauber and 88C-V.

I'm going to put this to the test, first off because I love the ring and second off because I want to beat the speed 12.

Maybe the cien, maybe the ford gt.
Maybe none of the above, but hopefully I will find a way.

If you want to post your time for refference after I have posted the competitions runs... 👍

I'm thinking that I might not be able to run well with the 12 so your lap may be necessary for honest evaluation.

Till I get the laps done.
Later.

btw,
How would you feel about no tuning on the arcade cars?
No hp change, no weight change...
Would also rule out settings changes as well as downforce.

Let me know if you get the chnace.
Till then,
last thing... NSX-R LM road car. 👍

 

[Evolution.]

nowhere is long enough to get that fast.

Except the Salt Flats 👍

Anyways,

The Speed 12 is a power monster in real life and GT4,but only shines in real life.Doing burnouts in 4th gear isn't your typical drivers idea of starting his day.

 

[Kent]

OK live for speed.

I'm gonna need your time with the 12 for any legit testing.

I just did laps in the tvr and pulled it down to 7'12.??? at the ring with super softs and no tuning.

On the other hand, I put the zonda c12s 7.3 on a first/only lap of 7'08.???

This doesn't look good for the TVR so I would like to get some times from people who can actually handle the tvr.

You might not be able to control a zonda or a honda, but you've got the tvr down. 👍

Me- I've got all the rest under control but that TVR is just a waste for me.

I will give the 12 this much though, it is twice the arc car it was in gt3.
I couldn't even come close to driving the gt3 speed 12 but in gt4 the handling at low speed is great.
The high speed gets to be tricky, but that's because when I say high speed, I mean HIGH SPEED!

220mph at the ring for the TVR
190 for the zonda.

Maybe there will be something else to get me under that 7 minute mark?
On to the nsx lm.

:edit:
... didn't bother with the nsx lm.
However, I did run the other super-under-rated-car... The Jaguar XJ220 Road Car. 👍

7'11.3??

Looks like the jag is actually a great car this time around.
And that was at 1300kg, with quick tune it can go down to 1234kg. 👍

Let's see if any of the other big companies can put up competition.
Btw, the Aston Martin V8 Vantage was nice but not even 550hp could say its 1900kg butt.

:edit2:
Just ran the NSX LM and there's nothing to beat it.
One lap, dirty, spun out and did a 90 degree slide for a few seconds... Still got down to 7'01 on that lap.

Later.

 

[synik]

...production cars and cars that dont have some insane turbo that makes it go from say 300 to like six or seven hundred hp.

I just wanted to reiterate the point of this thread for you all.

I guess the logical extension of this argument is to find the BEST EVER power to weight ratio... hence the current discussion of TVR 12 vs... EVERYTHING ELSE.

But I want to hear everyone's input about other cars and avoid discussions about "Super Exotic" cars like the TVRs or bugattis or mclaren or ferrari or escudo and the like.

Like the best power to weight in different classes of cars. I haven't heard much else other than the TVR vs all discussion. So if you are going to continue this discussion maybe start a new thread TVR vs all.

And for the rest of us I would like some good power to weight cars. So far:
Ginetta '64
Lotus Elan
Lotus Europa
Lotus Elise
TVR anything
Saleen S7 (anything saleen though is kind of exotic ... bordering super exotic)

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Basically it comes down to this:
I think its more fun to talk about cool cars that are classics, regular cars, upper class, unique, and fancy... but when you start to argue about super exotics and F1s its not as fun because its like saying "what if I had the new concept car by xxxxxx which has a fusion generator and thus has unlimited power... it goes sooo fast man. Not even the escudo or TVR 12 compares"

 

[Kent]

So if you are going to continue this discussion maybe start a new thread TVR vs all.

Laying down ultimatums now are you?



I don't know if you've been slick enough to pick up on this, but this whole time I have been arguing in favor of discussion related to the less obvious side of a pwr discussion.

wondering if any of us are giving credit to cars that handle really well even with high pwr.
Maybe the Aston Martin DB9 or something?

Or what about the idea of cars with tons of weight and low pwr?

Just because it wasn't the exact same subject doesn't mean it's not right up the alley of this thread.

Maybe you should think about making the titles of your thread more specific before you jump on us about discussing the thread topic.



Don't sweat, I mean no offense.
I'm simply trying to broaden your horizons and help you to appreciate what you may not already enjoy.

Sorry if you take offense, but there's an honest point to my writing.

I want to discuss the subject in whole, not just part.

You're interested in light weight-ers with good pwr?
Lotus, go straight to lotus.
Tommy K does a nice ZZ-s but I'm not a fan of that car's looks, I much preffer the elise... Specifically the motor sport elise.

Beyond lotus the crowd starts to thin out.
A few from toyota, mostly mr2/mr-s.
Mazda does a good miata... Picking one amongst the group might be a challenge lol.

Other companies are out there but I'm not too famaliar with them.
Once ultra-light-weight-compact-sports cars take on high hp they begin to really lose stability. I'm a fan of high speed stability.

Any way...
What do you think?
Are there any others to add to that list of yours synik, and live4speed, you still out there?

Can't wait to hear from you all, till then,
-

 

[synik]

sorry for jumpin on ya. i didn't intend to "lay down ultimatums". oh well, whats done is done.

Anyway... ya I kinda noticed that all the lightweight cars start to get super unstable when they reach speeds about 140-150. So i guess I have to upgrade to something bigger and more horsepower if I want the stability also =). Ah well heh. I guess I'll just move on to the espirit or something heheh. Or tvr, or aston martin, we'll see. But I do know I will have to sacrifice some handling for overall performance increase.

 

[synik]

I am a sucker for classic cars so I also might try the Shelby mustange 350 because it is just such a damn cool car. (by the way how is the shelby car that costs 140k... i have to buy that to win the Shelby 350 heh so that might be another possible choice.) But I know for sure that they will be heavy ass cars that are american... and american mustle cars aren't great at handling lol.