better help for controler drifters

[notveryhappyjac]

my elite controls until i get my logitec wheel back, this is the best and there isn't anything better unless your using a wheel, try it until your comfortable and you will see the difference.

left stick = left/right steer
*right stick = up=downshift, down=upshift* -nubs plz see long winded
confusing paragraph below kthnxbai...
right stick = look left and right interior view
X= ebrake
R2 = gas
L2 = brake
triangle = RA
up/down d-pad = cycle through RA
square = -RA
circle = +RA
R1 = reverse
L1 = look behind

most important mod to drift cars is ridiculous aero kits and wild car and wheel colors, i cannot emphasize this enough!!!! people drifting black on black cars just plain suck
comfort or sports tires, i like sports but people swear by the comforts, personal preference imo
full light weight
$7,500 LSD upgrade
TC = 0 or zero
front brake bias = 0
rear brake bias = 10
lower rear downforce
slammed on the pavement
no rear camber
some front camber
play around with the toe angle
%80/%20 for AWD or %100 for RWD

*nubs, don't need to 'correct' the shifting style, as most people without real world driving knowledge will cry about it being backwards, it is how sequential gear boxes and bimmer's do it. This layout makes sense in a gravity sort of way when your 'actually' driving or drifting, hit the brakes your body is moving forward, shifting forward is down shifting, downshifting is something you would do when hitting the brakes, while your body is being pushed forward ect. On the opposite, gassing the engine irl would push the driver towards the rear, rev'ing up the engine will cause the driver to need to 'upshift a gear' and the driver will pull back on the lever, the same direction gravity is pulling the driver, towards the rear.

now go and impress some teenage girls with your new found skills, or just run up your parents electricity bill, your call

 

[DaveM-sport]

R1 for handbrake is better though as it leaves you free for down-shifting.

 

[Jesus]

How do you look left and right for interior view? never knew that

 

[nk4e]

I like how this thread is titled " Better Help" Button settings is a personal opinion just like how the car of choice is. Getting the sensitivity down on the X button is not hard. Though driving a FWD in IRL is way different than driving a RWD. You don't get pulled back in a FWD as much compared to a RWD car.
You don't need to slam the car all the way to the ground either.I think it promotes alot of things and some things are learned through proper plug and play tunes. Also, going on a higher gear can also slow you down.

Why would you give someone such subjective advice? That's like saying "Please use a red car!" Personally, I can't stand comfort hards. It feels like drifting on ice, but to each their own. He should probably use comfort tires for learning on, but comfort hards might be excessively forgiving for teaching good driving habits. If he uses comfort hards, he should not use them exclusively or he won't develop very good skill.

As far as actual advice, it sounds like you are just hitting the usual problems for a beginner drifter. It just takes practice. Like Brandon said, the best way to learn is by experimenting. You don't generally go full throttle through the whole corner. Try entering a drift and as soon as you get it sideways let go of the throttle. Watch how long it slides before it snaps out of the drift. How long it slides will depend on how hard you "threw" the car into the drift, or how harsh your weight transition was.

Now try again, but this time, get back on the throttle again right before it's about to snap out of the drift. If you time it right, you can catch the car. Drifting is a constant balance, you have to anticipate the car and counteract its forces. The stiffer the suspension, the faster you have to react to the subtle weight transitions of the car's body. I think 350's are pretty rigid naturally, so keep that in mind. Probably not the best learning car.

 

[FULL_THROTTLE]

I can drift basically anything on this game [<-- see] including FF cars (hold the handbrake and slide 👍)

using a DS3 this setup works great:

L2 - Downshift
L1 - Lookback
Up - RA Menu select
Left - RA Menu Adjust
Right - RA Menu Adjust
Down - RA Menu select
Left stick - Steering
Right stick - Throttle/brake
(Cross) - RA Menu
(Square) - Brake
(Circle) - Handbrake
(Triangle) - Reverse
R1 - Lights
R2 - Shift up
L3 - Horn
R3 - Wipers

I would change L3 and R3 but I sometimes hit them when drifting and the settings currently do not change the behaviour of the car, the Race menu thing was added to adjust torque and braking while driving R1 could be used as a handbrake seeing as you don't really need to control the lights. (Square) - Brake, this is for doing burnouts to quickly heat the tyres up. If anyone uses thing please let me know.
Normally throw a 4WD car to have 10/90 torque split to make it feel more like a RWD car

When using the OP suggested method
Look left and right thing, I found that it got in the way and not really needed, I also tried using R2/L2 for gas and brake but can't get the control that I can from a stick.

 

[notveryhappyjac]

R1 for handbrake is better though as it leaves you free for down-shifting.

kinda, i don't use my two fingers only my index.

With my config i can gas and handbrake at the same time easier (clutch kick anyone?) while all i need to shift is a very slight bump of the right stick which would never take enough time to not be able to handbrake when i need to.

as for the interior view, just go to the options and assign look left/right to the right stick, change the view to the interior and give it a shot (only premiums work for this thought)

 

[notveryhappyjac]

I like how this thread is titled " Better Help" Button settings is a personal opinion just like how the car of choice is. Getting the sensitivity down on the X button is not hard. Though driving a FWD in IRL is way different than driving a RWD. You don't get pulled back in a FWD as much compared to a RWD car.
You don't need to slam the car all the way to the ground either.I think it promotes alot of things and some things are learned through proper plug and play tunes. Also, going on a higher gear can also slow you down.

yeah there was a little sarcasim in the title...lol gg you picked up on it! and where ever that quote came from I agree with it. Depending on power i change tires. Low power works well with comfort tires, high power works good with race hards or sport softs.

my only problem with using X is in long races or extended driving the X button puts my fat thumbs to sleep and I think that R2 is more egro to long tirm playing.

not sure why you think gravity cares what drive config (ff, fr, awd ect) your using cause it doesn't...fast cars push you towards the back of the car regardless of ff or fr.

as far as 'slamming' the car, its something I actually don't do in game and just threw it in there cause my real life drift buddys are all about stance and scraping on the track and rad paint jobs. I don't even wanna get into weather or not 'slamming cars' it is the best way to drift, imo weight transfer is easier with a near stock ride height in the game.

gear ratios are interesting as well, correct gears have a direct link to power, weight, # of gears and what your going to be doing with those gears. I usually make 2nd/3rd/4th very similar because up shifts during drifts can make big changes in angle and save you from spinning out on not-flat roads.

 

[notveryhappyjac]

I can drift basically anything on this game [<-- see] including FF cars (hold the handbrake and slide 👍)

using a DS3 this setup works great:

L2 - Downshift
L1 - Lookback
Up - RA Menu select
Left - RA Menu Adjust
Right - RA Menu Adjust
Down - RA Menu select
Left stick - Steering
Right stick - Throttle/brake
(Cross) - RA Menu
(Square) - Brake
(Circle) - Handbrake
(Triangle) - Reverse
R1 - Lights
R2 - Shift up
L3 - Horn
R3 - Wipers

I would change L3 and R3 but I sometimes hit them when drifting and the settings currently do not change the behaviour of the car, the Race menu thing was added to adjust torque and braking while driving R1 could be used as a handbrake seeing as you don't really need to control the lights. (Square) - Brake, this is for doing burnouts to quickly heat the tyres up. If anyone uses thing please let me know.
Normally throw a 4WD car to have 10/90 torque split to make it feel more like a RWD car

When using the OP suggested method
Look left and right thing, I found that it got in the way and not really needed, I also tried using R2/L2 for gas and brake but can't get the control that I can from a stick.

Your close but your config still has flaws.

One being able to race adjust at any point is critical, with your config you are unable to do race adjusts in the middle of a turn, thus why mine is spilt up on different sides of the layout and I can do it any point on the track and the driving will not suffer.

two being you cannot look left and right in the cockpit if you are using the right stick for accurate accel/braking.
Personally, I would choose the triggers for gas/brake 1st, and right stick 2nd, and square/ X combo 3rd. Plus if you could explain why you have square as brake and also use the right stick as brake, are you saying you push two buttons to brake ???

for awd 10/90 or 20/80 and even 25/75 ratios are all pretty good, it all depends on weather you do more gas/turning drifting, more handbrake/turning drifting, or more straight steering drifting.

 

[nk4e]

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my only problem with using X is in long races or extended driving the X button puts my fat thumbs to sleep and I think that R2 is more egro to long tirm playing.

I got use it as a personal preference.

not sure why you think gravity cares what drive config (ff, fr, awd ect) your using cause it doesn't...fast cars push you towards the back of the car regardless of ff or fr.

I driven in a FF car and I miss the FR feeling when you punch it.

as far as 'slamming' the car, its something I actually don't do in game and just threw it in there cause my real life drift buddys are all about stance and scraping on the track and rad paint jobs. I don't even wanna get into weather or not 'slamming cars' it is the best way to drift, imo weight transfer is easier with a near stock ride height in the game.

whether is not a best way to drift though if you think near stock ride height is good enough, then it is. I play with my settings all the time and I nearly can't decide how I want it.

gear ratios are interesting as well, correct gears have a direct link to power, weight, # of gears and what your going to be doing with those gears. I usually make 2nd/3rd/4th very similar because up shifts during drifts can make big changes in angle and save you from spinning out on not-flat roads.

Every time I spin out, I go into a higher gear to help slow down the car and thats about it.

 

[pergatory]

Here are the settings I personally use:
R2 Throttle
L2 Brake
R1 E-Brake
L1 Rear-View
Left joystick Left: Steer left
Left joystick Right: Steer right
Right joystick up: Shift down
Right joystick down: Shift up

I like this because it makes the controller a closer analog to driving a real car. The gas & throttle are at the bottom of the controller, just like pedals in a real car. It also puts the shifter up and back from the throttle, and to the right of the steering. This was also the controller setup I used for NFS, so it was easy to adapt. The only thing that really threw me at first was that NFS wasn't very customizable and the shifting was backwards, so when I did it right in GT5 it took me a little while to adjust. Moving the joystick up should shift down, and moving it down should shift up, just like a sequential shifter.

I'm having so much fun with the controller that I've really been slacking on getting a decent wheel mount. I already have a wheel, just can't use it

 

[notveryhappyjac]

Here are the settings I personally use:
R2 Throttle
L2 Brake
R1 E-Brake
L1 Rear-View
Left joystick Left: Steer left
Left joystick Right: Steer right
Right joystick up: Shift down
Right joystick down: Shift up

I like this because it makes the controller a closer analog to driving a real car. The gas & throttle are at the bottom of the controller, just like pedals in a real car. It also puts the shifter up and back from the throttle, and to the right of the steering. This was also the controller setup I used for NFS, so it was easy to adapt. The only thing that really threw me at first was that NFS wasn't very customizable and the shifting was backwards, so when I did it right in GT5 it took me a little while to adjust. Moving the joystick up should shift down, and moving it down should shift up, just like a sequential shifter.

I'm having so much fun with the controller that I've really been slacking on getting a decent wheel mount. I already have a wheel, just can't use it

very similar configs, I also have a logitec wheel but something fried inside it and now its finished.

You drift in real life ? maybe I have seen you at the track or something, I drift the Dk Blue turbo FB RX7, not the light blue one who annoys everyone haha, anyways I pop'd the engine in Feb 10' and have put off replacing it for a while, thinking May 11' should have it track worthy again.

 

[FULL_THROTTLE]

Your close but your config still has flaws.

One being able to race adjust at any point is critical, with your config you are unable to do race adjusts in the middle of a turn, thus why mine is spilt up on different sides of the layout and I can do it any point on the track and the driving will not suffer.

This is a good point, however i can't find room on the DS3 for it to move, so its just stuck how it is.

two being you cannot look left and right in the cockpit if you are using the right stick for accurate accel/braking.
Personally, I would choose the triggers for gas/brake 1st, and right stick 2nd, and square/ X combo 3rd. Plus if you could explain why you have square as brake and also use the right stick as brake, are you saying you push two buttons to brake ???

I don't use cockpit view anymore, I did when I ran the left and right views, although the interior just dissappeared and it looked like the bumper cam view from the sides of the car, no idea if thats what is supposed to happen, either way its not needed, only thing i can think of is to line up better for a drag race or something.

I have (Sqaure) as brake as this enables me to use the brake and throttle at the same time, i like to have the rear brake setting crazy high and use the brake instead of the handbrake, this is also good to do burnouts to loose grip in the tyres quickly, eg in a car with racing tyres, as having the brake on the stick only doesn't allow this.
I have also used both at the same time to get gold on those braking licence challenges, I don't think it really makes a difference though.

I think the L2/R2 on my controllers are all broken or something, I tried this on all 4 of them, and every time i could only use half throttle/brake or full throttle/brake and wasn't able to gradually build through revs, like i can with the stick, or hold the throttle/brake at specific points

 

[pergatory]

You drift in real life ? maybe I have seen you at the track or something, I drift the Dk Blue turbo FB RX7, not the light blue one who annoys everyone haha, anyways I pop'd the engine in Feb 10' and have put off replacing it for a while, thinking May 11' should have it track worthy again.

I haven't participated in any drift events in real life yet, up until recently I've never had more than one car so I didn't want to destroy my daily driver in a drift event. I've done a few autocrosses though, in my daily driver which is a champaign Nissan 240SX.

Currently building up my project car, or trying once I find somewhere to work on it, which is a Nissan Sileighty. It blew the turbo a while back. Currently primer gray with horrible black & red wheels. I'm not sure it'll be track ready this year at the rate I'm going... it's been sitting so long now that even if I decide to take it to a shop I'll need some garage space or something to clean it out first. I wish I knew more people into this stuff in real life I have like $3000 in parts waiting to go in... if it sits much longer it's going to start rusting...

 

[RufusGonePunk]

One being able to race adjust at any point is critical, with your config you are unable to do race adjusts in the middle of a turn, thus why mine is spilt up on different sides of the layout and I can do it any point on the track and the driving will not suffer.

Quick question, why is it so important to be able to adjust settings in the middle of a corner whilst drifting? What do you adjust, as I've never needed to do this.

My configuration is as follows:

Accel: R2
Brake: L2
Up shift: X
Down shift: Square
Handbrake: O
Reverse: Triangle
R1: Lights
L1: Look back
Left stick: Steering
Right stick: Look left/right
L3: Horn
R3: Enter menu
D-pad: Adjust settings

Like this, my thumbs are hands and my fingers are feet. And I prefer O as handbrake as I can't get my head around using two fingers at once! Haha.

 

[notveryhappyjac]

only reason to race adjust in the middle of a turn is to find the correct brake balance and T/C and see it change while your actually driving, my traction control RA went missing so I'm kinda like wtf here? I guess you could set it before the turn but then you miss out and actually 'feeling' what it is changing.

 

[RufusGonePunk]

Ahhh, I see. I thought it was solely drift related, but yeah, that makes sense