Blocking in B-Spec

[kennythebomb]

Don't you feel that PD should have included a 'block' button for your driver?

I think most team managers have at one time or another told their racer to block the opponent at all costs.

The closest thing to this point on these forums is one post.

However, that is not going to work anywhere near most of the time.

Do you guys think this would have been a nice feature, or am I the only one who thinks it is an omission?

 

[extreme car]

I think it's cheap feature

 

[dylanj123]

Yeah that is a good idea and I also think that overtake should have had to been held down to stop just letting i race itself what o you think?
DJ

 

[yeti]

I believe I mentioned this in a post I made a long time ago...

That said... I agree!!

C.

 

[mindlessoath]

i think its bogus.. why do u need block? no reason at all. you can do this game without and even would be easy.

people take things for granted and some want things to be soooo much easier.

 

[kennythebomb]

i think its bogus.. why do u need block? no reason at all. you can do this game without and even would be easy.

people take things for granted and some want things to be soooo much easier.

I don't need it. I beat the game without it (using future tense as I can beat M34 at anytime)

I'm not a lazy bastard who wants everything easy for me. If I wanted easy I would go for Need for Speed or some other racing game.

I want realism.

When racing B-Spec I am the manager. What manager can't tell his star driver not to block?

If it were in the game, you would have used it.

 

[elkayem]

its cheap but very very very funny

 

[niky]

It should be in there.

 

[356C]

The other drivers always block. . .oh wait, its just that my stupid B-spec driver doesn't know how to pass on the right, while going down a straightaway.

 

[chinny]

I'd prefer better AI than can race properly than a block button. Cos if we got it for B spec, then the opponents would have it too and its bloody hard to get B spec drivers to overtake as it is.
As for having to press over take each time you want to pass, well that sort of defeats the purpose of B spec, which for most of us is to finish the enduros.

 

[ZeratulSG]

Most RL racing leagues have rules concerning blocking, as in what constitutes a legal and illegal block, etc. I think adding this feature would incur the need to manage such rules issues, otherwise everyone, you and the AI, would be weaving left and right all over the place blocking to your heart's content. Not much fun at all 👎

OT: On the rules note, would it have killed them to add a blue-flag procedure to the game? I mean, how many times have you had to battle with the AI backmarkers in a long race? Move the hell over, I'm lapping you ya freak!

 

[mindlessoath]

there is something called a driving line, and when you put in a feature for BLOCKing that messes that up, and people would ALSO complain that they fell off the road because of it.

bah, it goes on and on and on. this is a bad idea, and even if it was complex code for enableing it, would it really be worth it? probably not, it does its job good, its time and money wasted, and at a managers view perspective this would probably be ditched early on. (im a coder myself, you have to think of these things, while a team member might have this idea, it would have been out the window when choosing what to impliment).

 

[kennythebomb]

there is something called a driving line, and when you put in a feature for BLOCKing that messes that up, and people would ALSO complain that they fell off the road because of it.

bah, it goes on and on and on. this is a bad idea, and even if it was complex code for enableing it, would it really be worth it? probably not, it does its job good, its time and money wasted, and at a managers view perspective this would probably be ditched early on. (im a coder myself, you have to think of these things, while a team member might have this idea, it would have been out the window when choosing what to impliment).

Perhaps it may be hard to code but not too much harder.

And sometimes the AI does block you....so I don't think it would be so hard for PD to 'impliment'

 

[mindlessoath]

the AI doesnt BLOCK anyone... well its ai so it can seem like that.. but it has its own driving line, and you may think its blocking you but its trying to find its line and race on it.

many factors make this line too. it knows the track and in order to take a turn it will require a certain speed and place in the line to be, and if your there in that line, it will block you.

it was described before gt4 released that AI would be better and smarter, but it really hasnt... and i dont see any blocking.

in fact if you have a lower bspec rating you might even think this way also... with a higher bspec rating it wont seem that way at all also... i dont know really this whole bspec thing is complex, really complex and we dont have all the answers or anything OFFICIAL.. just what we can test.

you may precive things one way but that may not be the truth... you will need to test and replicate your findings, i have done alot of testing myself and i truly belive that the AI doesnt block in bspec mode, its got a mathimaticall equation its following... it may involve your driver as well as others but im not so sure its blocking, i think that you also have to factor in your bspec skills and driver too, cause while it may look that way mabe your skills are to low, because your driver will back off... with higher points you are likly not to back off, BUT you also have a driving line for your bspec driver too! and you have more factors that you can CONTROL to follow that line or not... like differnt speeds and overtaking etc.

 

[kennythebomb]

the AI doesnt BLOCK anyone... well its ai so it can seem like that.. but it has its own driving line, and you may think its blocking you but its trying to find its line and race on it.

many factors make this line too. it knows the track and in order to take a turn it will require a certain speed and place in the line to be, and if your there in that line, it will block you.

it was described before gt4 released that AI would be better and smarter, but it really hasnt... and i dont see any blocking.

in fact if you have a lower bspec rating you might even think this way also... with a higher bspec rating it wont seem that way at all also... i dont know really this whole bspec thing is complex, really complex and we dont have all the answers or anything OFFICIAL.. just what we can test.

you may precive things one way but that may not be the truth... you will need to test and replicate your findings, i have done alot of testing myself and i truly belive that the AI doesnt block in bspec mode, its got a mathimaticall equation its following... it may involve your driver as well as others but im not so sure its blocking, i think that you also have to factor in your bspec skills and driver too, cause while it may look that way mabe your skills are to low, because your driver will back off... with higher points you are likly not to back off, BUT you also have a driving line for your bspec driver too! and you have more factors that you can CONTROL to follow that line or not... like differnt speeds and overtaking etc.

My B-Spec driver has fairly high skills. 8340/96/83/82.

Perhaps I am wrong that the AI doesn't block, but there have been plenty of times where it seemed like that.

Anyway, whether or not it has been programmed into GT4 for the AI to block me doesn't negate the fact that I think it would be a valuable addition to the game, and as we can see in this thread some others agree with me, too. It is not needed nor is it probably easy to program, but if they could do it I think they should.

 

[DeadlyFred]

I'd settle for an Overtake command that actually worked!

I use blocking plenty while A-specing, but I wouldn't trust the B-spec driver to be able to do it effectively AND race.. which he seems to have problems with as it is.

As far as opponent cars blocking you? They absolutely will. Especially on Rally races but even on tarmac I have experienced it a few times. One in particular, I don't even remember which race it was but the lead car was a red Eclipse. The guy would NOT let me pass him, he was doing way more than just "keeping to his line" he actually went out of his way to veer in front of me any time I tried to overtake him, in corners, straights, or anywhere. It was annoying since I lost but I was actually quite impressed with the sheer tenacity the AI exhibited.

 

[kennythebomb]

I'd settle for an Overtake command that actually worked!

I use blocking plenty while A-specing, but I wouldn't trust the B-spec driver to be able to do it effectively AND race.. which he seems to have problems with as it is.

As far as opponent cars blocking you? They absolutely will. Especially on Rally races but even on tarmac I have experienced it a few times. One in particular, I don't even remember which race it was but the lead car was a red Eclipse. The guy would NOT let me pass him, he was doing way more than just "keeping to his line" he actually went out of his way to veer in front of me any time I tried to overtake him, in corners, straights, or anywhere. It was annoying since I lost but I was actually quite impressed with the sheer tenacity the AI exhibited.

Yes, the AI would definitely have to be improved a lot for this to be a good feature. Let's all hope

See, that's what I mean. Example like this re-affirm that sometimes they do block you.

lol @ your sig

 

[DeadlyFred]

See, that's what I mean. Example like this re-affirm that sometimes they do block you.

lol @ your sig

Doesn't happen ALL the time, but it does happen. It may have something to do with that whole "environmental AI" thing. Since I admittedly (as you noticed from the sig ) have a thing for ramming other cars around... perhaps they just don't like me very much...

 

[sideslider]

ya it's pretty cheap to be able to have the same options in b spec that you would have in real life....ohh and i agree having those options in the game would take away from the realism........

i also wonder if some of you think before you post.... 👎

 

[mindlessoath]

I'd settle for an Overtake command that actually worked!

I use blocking plenty while A-specing, but I wouldn't trust the B-spec driver to be able to do it effectively AND race.. which he seems to have problems with as it is.

As far as opponent cars blocking you? They absolutely will. Especially on Rally races but even on tarmac I have experienced it a few times. One in particular, I don't even remember which race it was but the lead car was a red Eclipse. The guy would NOT let me pass him, he was doing way more than just "keeping to his line" he actually went out of his way to veer in front of me any time I tried to overtake him, in corners, straights, or anywhere. It was annoying since I lost but I was actually quite impressed with the sheer tenacity the AI exhibited.

Raise your bspec battle skills in order to overtake better. with low skills you wont do it.

and im guessing that you have a low score just because your saying they are blocking you. i mean it is AI and they are suppose to block you but i have never seen it, there is always a legit reason why they have blocked for one reason or annother its usually not for blocking. in aspec it may be differnt than in bspec, and in rally races you cannot compeat against cars in bspec, let alone even bspec rally races so not sure if your saying something real or just making something up.

 

[Studentdriver]

Uh...he's saying that he was driving in this case, not Bob.

 

[DeadlyFred]

Hah, no... I was talking about being blocked in A-spec, not B-spec. They don't NEED to block me in B-spec since Fred Deadhardt Jr. seems to find something incredibly intreguing about the back bumpers of other cars. He likes them so much he'll be tearing down a straight, only to pull up along side another car and slow down just to get behind them and check out the rear end... maybe he's just weird.

 

[mindlessoath]

Hah, no... I was talking about being blocked in A-spec, not B-spec. They don't NEED to block me in B-spec since Fred Deadhardt Jr. seems to find something incredibly intreguing about the back bumpers of other cars. He likes them so much he'll be tearing down a straight, only to pull up along side another car and slow down just to get behind them and check out the rear end... maybe he's just weird.

raising the battle skills will help alot with this.

its annoying i know.

when you have setting 5 (push) on he will likly hit the rear end of every car he tries to pass. without push it also happens sometimes too, the higher the scores the less that happens, not in all cases tho.

 

[kennythebomb]

Just curious mindless, what are your b spec points at?

 

[mindlessoath]

i have two games, currently dont have either memory card atm, however i do belive the first one is 99/97/92 or something along those lines, mabe its abit differnt.

the secound one i just started, might have 320 days on it sofar (i havent really played it much)... i started one make races, doing all the one make races with the lowest HP car requred, and without NO horse power mods and just suspention and tuning have beaten all of them (except like 3 or 4 races) except for the japanese dealer room.

im not sure what the scores are like but proabably in their 60-70's not anywhere near what i want to be but then again i have only done one make races with mostly stock cars... ohh and i think i did do a race or two on the nurinburging with an R89C nissan so that probably jetted my score up abit more than i wanted it too be seeing that im not trying to raise the score, but testing stuff out.

my third game will be to raise the bspec score from 0 to 100 for each skill as fast as possible and develop some form of data, and possibly even prove some theorys i have hypothosised.

 

[Canadian Speed]

Don't you feel that PD should have included a 'block' button for your driver?

I think most team managers have at one time or another told their racer to block the opponent at all costs.

The closest thing to this point on these forums is one post.

However, that is not going to work anywhere near most of the time.

Do you guys think this would have been a nice feature, or am I the only one who thinks it is an omission?

Blocking is usualy used in INDY and big time races where there are two cars on one team. A "champion" and "sidekick", when cham boy is in the pits, the side kick tries to slow down another teams champ... that's where the strategy comes into play. But with single car teams, there realy isn't much point to it... But if they ever had multiple "Bobs" for your team, that would be cool, but it should also be a hold kind of button so that you can't just leave it one and ruin the race... IMHO.

 

[kennythebomb]

Blocking is usualy used in INDY and big time races where there are two cars on one team. A "champion" and "sidekick", when cham boy is in the pits, the side kick tries to slow down another teams champ... that's where the strategy comes into play. But with single car teams, there realy isn't much point to it... But if they ever had multiple "Bobs" for your team, that would be cool, but it should also be a hold kind of button so that you can't just leave it one and ruin the race... IMHO.

I agree, holding it down would take the fun out of it, for sure.

 

[R390GT1]

I would want a overtake that worked, and also block seems fairly good. The AI does seem to block. When I was in A-spec i was trying to get infront of this guy but he keep coming infront of me. So I think B-spec Bob should have the command to block. 👍